I have questions,maybe you have answers. George Floyd & Karma

[Mr Brown]

There are way more cases of fraud than you mentioned. There are many more that get away with it. Vote in person! No need for mail in voting for the masses. You also should need ID. It already has swung elections. Even before I left Ca. in 2002. Voter suppression is BS. You need an ID for most things.

Database Swells to 1,285 Proven Cases of Voter Fraud in America

All-mail elections have received heightened attention in the media these past few weeks. Prominent liberals highly endorse the idea, claiming it allows people to do their patriotic duty without risking being infected by the coronavirus. In reality, without rigid safeguards to prevent fraud...

www.heritage.org

I drew my numbers from a noted conservative outlet. And, as I mentioned, even if you claim that's a small number because people get away with it, multiply it by a hundred, and it's still not significant.
Even if voter fraud was a problem, stuffing a ballot box isn't effective, never has been. Reducing the number of actual votes is a much better way.

 

[08BusaKY]

Database Swells to 1,285 Proven Cases of Voter Fraud in America

All-mail elections have received heightened attention in the media these past few weeks. Prominent liberals highly endorse the idea, claiming it allows people to do their patriotic duty without risking being infected by the coronavirus. In reality, without rigid safeguards to prevent fraud...

www.heritage.org

I drew my numbers from a noted conservative outlet. And, as I mentioned, even if you claim that's a small number because people get away with it, multiply it by a hundred, and it's still not significant.
Even if voter fraud was a problem, stuffing a ballot box isn't effective, never has been. Reducing the number of actual votes is a much better way.

I would say you can multiply it by the thousands.

 

[Mr Brown]

I would say you can multiply it by the thousands.

You'd have to argue that the numbers reported by one of the most conservative-leaning think tanks out there need to be multiplied by 2500 in order to cover the margin of the popular vote in the last presidential election, not to mention that those votes would have to be cast very specifically in order to swing the electoral college, and those just aren't plausible scenarios.

 

[08BusaKY]

You'd have to argue that the numbers reported by one of the most conservative-leaning think tanks out there need to be multiplied by 2500 in order to cover the margin of the popular vote in the last presidential election, not to mention that those votes would have to be cast very specifically in order to swing the electoral college, and those just aren't plausible scenarios.

Many believe it is so...very plausible. Also this election there would be no limits on voter fraud. Dems will lie, cheat, and bring down America to stay in power.

Can you answer the question I posed to @fallenarch? what have the democrats done in the last 3 plus years to improve things? I had a long list of Trump accomplishments.

 

[Mr Brown]

Many believe it is so...very plausible. Also this election there would be no limits on voter fraud. Dems will lie, cheat, and bring down America to stay in power.

You realize that the president is a republican, right? As is the Senate? And that he had an entirely republican Congress until the midterms.

Can you answer the question I posed to @fallenarch? what have the democrats done in the last 3 plus years to improve things? I had a long list of Trump accomplishments.

Are you seriously asking me if I think black people in the US should vote for a man who thanked as "great people" a video in which one of his supporters stating "white power" is clearly audible? Come on....

 

[08BusaKY]

You realize that the president is a republican, right? As is the Senate? And that he had an entirely republican Congress until the midterms.

He still needed democrat votes to pass legislation because he didn't have enough republican votes in the house so that is a moot point.

Are you seriously asking me if I think black people in the US should vote for a man who thanked as "great people" a video in which one of his supporters stating "white power" is clearly audible? Come on....

That has been disproven. He removed that video when he found out. Do you think he personally posts everything on Facebook or Twitter? Plus they censor most conservative things now.

There are plenty of blacks that are changing from Democrat to Republican. Far from the majority but more all the time. Movements like Blexit and Turning Point.

Why have all the cities that have been run by Democrats for decades so bad off? Crime, poverty, education and so on.

Look at Maxine Waters, She lives in a multi billion dollar mansion out of the district she represents. All she does is come out and say "Impeach 45" once in a while and they keep voting her in. What has she done for them. I just don't get it.

Below is where I used to live in Detroit (red X). It is mostly empty lots now. The school has been closed and is all run down. Detroit went bankrupt.

 

[Mr Brown]

That has been disproven. He removed that video when he found out. Do you think he personally posts everything on Facebook or Twitter? Plus they censor most conservative things now.

There are plenty of blacks that are changing from Democrat to Republican. Far from the majority but more all the time. Movements like Blexit and Turning Point.

Why have all the cities that have been run by Democrats for decades so bad off? Crime, poverty, education and so on.

Look at Maxine Waters, She lives in a multi billion dollar mansion out of the district she represents. All she does is come out and say "Impeach 45" once in a while and they keep voting her in. What has she done for them. I just don't get it.

Below is where I used to live in Detroit (red X). It is mostly empty lots now. The school has been closed and is all run down. Detroit went bankrupt.
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What has been disproven? The guy said it, the president retweeted it and thanked the "great people" in the video.
Everything else you point out may well be true, (much of it isn't) but that's not what we're talking about. You asked me to answer the question you posed to fallen, so I did.

 

[08BusaKY]

What has been disproven? The guy said it, the president retweeted it and thanked the "great people" in the video.
Everything else you point out may well be true, (much of it isn't) but that's not what we're talking about. You asked me to answer the question you posed to fallen, so I did.

Like I said the President does not tweet or post everything personally. He has a communications team that does it. Once he was made aware of that comment he had it removed.

I guess the answer to my questions was - nothing.

 

[Mr Brown]

Like I said the President does not tweet or post everything personally. He has a communications team that does it. Once he was made aware of that comment he had it removed.

I guess the answer to my questions was - nothing.

If he doesn't post or tweet things personally, (which given the history of what's been posted and tweeted is highly unlikely) then I guess it's just coincidence that what is done in his name is almost exactly the same as what he says out loud?
We will have to disagree about your list of what he's actually accomplished, and that's okay. What I don't understand is how some people are willing to work so hard to find excuses for behavior from him which they find unacceptable in others. I believe it was you who condemned what Shaun King (who you misidentified as the "leader" of BLM) said about depictions of Jesus, but you think that something like this is acceptable from the duly elected leader of America because he "doesn't tweet personally"?

 

[Red05]

Dems will lie, cheat, and bring down America to stay in power.

I won't deny that it applies to some, but you think that somehow Repubs are any different? Lol.

 

[fallenarch]

There are way more cases of fraud than you mentioned. There are many more that get away with it. Vote in person! No need for mail in voting for the masses. You also should need ID. It already has swung elections. Even before I left Ca. in 2002. Voter suppression is BS. You need an ID for most things.

I think you are projecting. There is no reason for Democrats to commit voter fraud as they have a pretty big majority as I said in the other post. So it isn't that Democrats are above cheating, just that there is no reason to. Republicans on the other hand have to cheat to win. It's just the numbers, believe me if the Democrats were in the place Republicans are they would probably cheat too.

 

[08BusaKY]

If he doesn't post or tweet things personally, (which given the history of what's been posted and tweeted is highly unlikely) then I guess it's just coincidence that what is done in his name is almost exactly the same as what he says out loud?
We will have to disagree about your list of what he's actually accomplished, and that's okay. What I don't understand is how some people are willing to work so hard to find excuses for behavior from him which they find unacceptable in others. I believe it was you who condemned what Shaun King (who you misidentified as the "leader" of BLM) said about depictions of Jesus, but you think that something like this is acceptable from the duly elected leader of America because he "doesn't tweet personally"?

The Trump tweet in question was removed. Shaun King's wasn't.

 

[08BusaKY]

I won't deny that it applies to some, but you think that somehow Repubs are any different? Lol.

Yes I do for the most part.

 

[08BusaKY]

I think you are projecting. There is no reason for Democrats to commit voter fraud as they have a pretty big majority as I said in the other post. So it isn't that Democrats are above cheating, just that there is no reason to. Republicans on the other hand have to cheat to win. It's just the numbers, believe me if the Democrats were in the place Republicans are they would probably cheat too.

It all depends on who gets out and votes. There are more registered Democrats but that did not help in 2016.

 

[fallenarch]

What have democrats done for black people in all those cities for decades? They need to wake up. What have the dems done in the last 3+ years aside from resisting trump and pointless investigations (you asked me about Trumps accomplishments)? I suppose you think CNN is the go to source for news...lol

They wiped dead people and people that moved off voter rolls as they should. We only had one site here to vote and lines are long too.

First of all, Obama was the best thing that ever happened to Black people. Not all of that shows in jobs numbers because there was definitely a backlash against us by whites because of Obama. But still you don't understand if you don't get that proving a Black man can lead with honor, integrity, be a great family man, out smart racist legislators who swore to stop him and be pretty damn cool doing it was a big deal for minorities.

Obama had great numbers during his administration and he had to dig the country out of several huge holes. Trump got handed an economy boiling over and has only had one issue to deal with and he blew that.

 

[Mr Brown]

The Trump tweet in question was removed. Shaun King's wasn't.

And that means what, exactly? It never happened?
The Twitter account of the president of the United States thanked great people, one of whom says "white power" more than once, and that's okay because it was removed? As opposed to some guy who most people have never heard of saying that images of Jesus with white features should be removed? You're up in arms about one, but not the other, and your reasoning is because one was taken down?

 

[Mr Brown]

Yes I do for the most part.

And there is the fundamental disagreement between us. I don't think either of them are any better than the other. They're just sh!tty in different ways, and to different people.

 

[08BusaKY]

First of all, Obama was the best thing that ever happened to Black people. Not all of that shows in jobs numbers because there was definitely a backlash against us by whites because of Obama. But still you don't understand if you don't get that proving a Black man can lead with honor, integrity, be a great family man, out smart racist legislators who swore to stop him and be pretty damn cool doing it was a big deal for minorities.

Obama had great numbers during his administration and he had to dig the country out of several huge holes. Trump got handed an economy boiling over and has only had one issue to deal with and he blew that.

Oh please. If all the white people didn't vote for Obama he would not have been President. That was including me the first term. He created all this division and hatred against police. Obama doubled the deficit and the economy was not so good.

He said Trump would need a magic wand to get a better economy and lower un-employment. I guess Trump found one until the virus.

If you think having all kinds of parties with Hollywood and Entertainment elite was cool so be it.

 

[fallenarch]

Like I said the President does not tweet or post everything personally. He has a communications team that does it. Once he was made aware of that comment he had it removed.

I guess the answer to my questions was - nothing.

That is a bit of a trick question because as one party of congress the Democrats can't actually do anything without Republican support. However, several major pieces of legislation are sitting in the Senate's inbox:

Infrastructure Reform
Has already proposed a bailout aimed at small business
Cooperated on the first pandemic bailout
Demanded oversight on the pandemic payout (much of that money was stolen)
Impeached Trump
Fought to keep Obamacare alive and funded
Passed true police reform
Has pushed the oversight roll in the face of an administration who constantly ignores the law

No doubt you will no see many of these as achievements but I feel the same way about your Trump list. Also I remind you the congress is not supposed to lead with a Opposition leadership of the white house.

 

[fallenarch]

Oh please. If all the white people didn't vote for Obama he would not have been President. That was including me the first term. He created all this division and hatred against police. Obama doubled the deficit and the economy was not so good.

He said Trump would need a magic wand to get a better economy and lower un-employment. I guess Trump found one until the virus.

If you think having all kinds of parties with Hollywood and Entertainment elite was cool so be it.

Obama existing and winning the presidency is what created the divisions. If racists get butt-hurt because a Black man is a superior leader too bad. Trump ran up the deficit with no economic driver, he just gave away a trillion dollars to the top 10% in the country. It's pretty obvious Republicans are the real deficit spenders, just facts bro.

Obama created the wave Trump has been riding. Look at the obstacles Obama had to get over including 2 pandemics and he lead the country through it all. Trump has had one real challenge and he has blown it in a remarkable way. Obama was cool because he was "no drama Obama". Just got chit done and moved on.