I have questions,maybe you have answers. George Floyd & Karma

[Mr Brown]

I don't think a lot of Bernie supporters will vote. They feel they got the screw last election and this one too.

I know there are good and bad in each party but to me more good in the republican side these days.

November will be here so soon. We will just have to wait and see.

Bernie supporters did get screwed, the Democratic party lost touch with the country and thought that it didn't matter who they ran. They were wrong. Hillary was never electable. If they had just run Bernie we could have avoided this train wreck.

You're correct sir, we will soon know how people feel. Although I suspect that when he loses, the president will cry foul and then things will get really interesting.

 

[Red05]

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Bernie supporters did get screwed, the Democratic party lost touch with the country and thought that it didn't matter who they ran. They were wrong. Hillary was never electable. If they had just run Bernie we could have avoided this train wreck.

I thought the same thing, and yet she won the popular vote. The last election and this one upcoming add up to two train wrecks in my opinion. Seems like a lose lose situation again.

 

[murphc13]

I’m gonna stick to the bikes I think.
Enjoy the debating.

 

[fallenarch]

I come on here,respect everyone.No naming and loling at people or their views whether I agree or not.
That’s what you just did.Have some respect.That way you’ll get respect.

I don't think disagreeing with you is disrespect. In a way it's the opposite, as I simply ignore posts I think are too ignorant to warrant a response, lol.

I think claiming the deep state did it is a little like looking at the sky and saying Apollo pulled the sun across it in his chariot. Conspiracies are simpler dream up than doing the hard work to understand the system and the history that got us to this point.

For example every scientist knows that we have over populated the earth. In the agricultural age, people were the machines driving the economy. In the information age we just won't need so many people. This really addresses how we as a species breed. Basically we need less children and people dying will automatically balance things in a pretty short period of time. I think I remember reading that right now 60% of the children are born into families that can't support them. So Bill Gates saying there are too many people is not a sinister mad man, he's simply stating a truth already acknowledged widely in scientific communities.

Trump is using the deep state as a crutch for his incompetence. It's funny but the "deep state" used to be centered in the extreme right wing. It's like the "deep state" morphs into what ever the user of that excuse needs it to be. So here is the true deep state: Voters being distracted from holding our leader's feet to the fire on supporting our best interests. Racism, sexism, etc. are kept on the table as primary issues so voters won't ask real questions.

 

[fallenarch]

Bernie supporters did get screwed, the Democratic party lost touch with the country and thought that it didn't matter who they ran. They were wrong. Hillary was never electable. If they had just run Bernie we could have avoided this train wreck.

You're correct sir, we will soon know how people feel. Although I suspect that when he loses, the president will cry foul and then things will get really interesting.

I am against Bernie as I believe adopting socialism will mean the end of the American experiment. I could explain all that but it's a long story. Suffice it to say there is nothing wrong with our system other than certain groups trying to crash it rather than spread the wealth equally.

Anyway, Hilary pulled some dirty tricks to silence the Bern. I think she ran a disgusting campaign and she didn't deserve to be the nominee. This time Biden beat Bernie fair and square. They went toe to toe and the voters chose Biden. I think that is all the Bernie people wanted. In good times this would be enough to split the party, but in the face of 4 more Trump years that's just not happening.

PS: Yes Trump will not concede the election and we will realize another critical process in our government that requires a shake of the hand and has no laws to back it up. SMH!

 

[fallenarch]

I don't think a lot of Bernie supporters will vote. They feel they got the screw last election and this one too.

I know there are good and bad in each party but to me more good in the republican side these days.

November will be here so soon. We will just have to wait and see.

Ok Bro, you are an intelligent guy. You keep saying you agree more with the Rep.s or there's more good in the Rep.s. But you don't state what those things are? I'm sort of curious what is it that Trump is doing that gets a person to vote for another term. The single honorable thing I can come up with is that the Dems are going too socialist. Biden and Obama were actually centrists, remember Obamacare was a republican solution to the healthcare crisis. It was started with Nixon and actually implemented by Romney.

 

[Mr Brown]

I thought the same thing, and yet she won the popular vote. The last election and this one upcoming add up to two train wrecks in my opinion. Seems like a lose lose situation again.

She wasn't elected, popular vote is utterly meaningless. Pyrrhic victory at best.

 

[fallenarch]

She wasn't elected, popular vote is utterly meaningless. Pyrrhic victory at best.

Excellent post and you learneded me a new vocabulary word! Never heard or read the term pyrrhic. At first I was trying to figure out what you were actually trying to spell lol!

 

[08BusaKY]

Ok Bro, you are an intelligent guy. You keep saying you agree more with the Rep.s or there's more good in the Rep.s. But you don't state what those things are? I'm sort of curious what is it that Trump is doing that gets a person to vote for another term. The single honorable thing I can come up with is that the Dems are going too socialist. Biden and Obama were actually centrists, remember Obamacare was a republican solution to the healthcare crisis. It was started with Nixon and actually implemented by Romney.

Trumps accomplishments. After this I am out for the day. Plus will probably avoid these discussions until after the elections.

• Drastically cut regulations
• Brought back a lot of manufacturing
• Lowest unemployment for all ethnic groups until the virus
• Highest stocks, 401k until the virus
• Opportunity zones for minorities
• Prison reform (undid what Biden did).
• Not for open borders.
• The wall
• Got rid of NAFTA for a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada
• China trade deal
• Got rid of the Obamacare mandate payment
• Fighting the opioid addiction
• Fighting human trafficking
• Helped the farmers from Tariffs gained while negotiating the China deal
• Brought to light how dependent we are on China (e.g. medicines) and bring it back to the US.
• Getting the nations in the US to pay their fair share
• Backed out of the TTP
• Rebuilt the military
• Confirmed 200 judges

So many more. I named those off the top of my head. Here is a link to more.

Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping - Washington Examiner

The Trump administration’s often overlooked list of achievements has surpassed those of former President Ronald Reagan at this time and more than doubled since the last tally of accomplishments after his first year in office, giving President Trump a solid platform to run for re-election on. As...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[fallenarch]

Trumps accomplishments. After this I am out for the day. Plus will probably avoid these discussions until after the elections.

• Drastically cut regulations
• Brought back a lot of manufacturing
• Lowest unemployment for all ethnic groups until the virus
• Highest stocks, 401k until the virus
• Opportunity zones for minorities
• Prison reform (undid what Biden did).
• Not for open borders.
• The wall
• Got rid of NAFTA for a better trade deal with Mexico and Canada
• China trade deal
• Got rid of the Obamacare mandate payment
• Fighting the opioid addiction
• Fighting human trafficking
• Helped the farmers from Tariffs gained while negotiating the China deal
• Brought to light how dependent we are on China (e.g. medicines) and bring it back to the US.
• Getting the nations in the US to pay their fair share
• Backed out of the TTP
• Rebuilt the military
• Confirmed 200 judges

So many more. I named those off the top of my head. Here is a link to more.

Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping - Washington Examiner

The Trump administration’s often overlooked list of achievements has surpassed those of former President Ronald Reagan at this time and more than doubled since the last tally of accomplishments after his first year in office, giving President Trump a solid platform to run for re-election on. As...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Ok I can see your point of view on those issues. I obviously have a different take on many of them, but I'm picking up what you're putting down. It might help his campaign if he brought that up rather than constantly race baiting, Lol! (had to get a dig in there because you fired right back on this and I thought it would stump you!)

 

[Bumblebee]

We seem to have a few "idiots" running around Toronto as well...doesn't surprise me though.

Regent park in Toronto Canada is one of the low rent/social assistance areas where crime is at an all time high..

Regent Park community speaks out against racism after noose found at 3rd Toronto construction site

 

[Bumblebee]

...then there's this "idiot".....

Race track owner posts 'Bubba Rope' for sale on Facebook, loses partnerships

 

[Mr Brown]

...then there's this "idiot".....

Race track owner posts 'Bubba Rope' for sale on Facebook, loses partnerships

And this one:

Mike Skinner's son said Bubba Wallace should've been dragged 'around the pits' with noose

 

[michael parris heuberger]

I am against Bernie as I believe adopting socialism will mean the end of the American experiment. I could explain all that but it's a long story. Suffice it to say there is nothing wrong with our system other than certain groups trying to crash it rather than spread the wealth equally.

Anyway, Hilary pulled some dirty tricks to silence the Bern. I think she ran a disgusting campaign and she didn't deserve to be the nominee. This time Biden beat Bernie fair and square. They went toe to toe and the voters chose Biden. I think that is all the Bernie people wanted. In good times this would be enough to split the party, but in the face of 4 more Trump years that's just not happening.

PS: Yes Trump will not concede the election and we will realize another critical process in our government that requires a shake of the hand and has no laws to back it up. SMH!

Hi. I thought Biden was was running for the Senate? I know that is what he said. Now he said he was running to be President. Does he even know? Why is it always the Democrats that keep getting caught for voter fraud? I am for mail in ballets that way we could mark them all for Biden. When Biden we could set up zones like Seattle has but a lot bigger. We could even ban words.

 

[fallenarch]

Hi. I thought Biden was was running for the Senate? I know that is what he said. Now he said he was running to be President. Does he even know? Why is it always the Democrats that keep getting caught for voter fraud? I am for mail in ballets that way we could mark them all for Biden. When Biden we could set up zones like Seattle has but a lot bigger. We could even ban words.

There is no voter fraud, Trump dreamed it up. Voter suppression is the crime and that's Mr Trumps thing.

 

[08BusaKY]

There is no voter fraud, Trump dreamed it up. Voter suppression is the crime and that's Mr Trumps thing.

That is incorrect! You sound like CNN. Here are just a few. It's strange how only Dems what mail in voting...wonder why.

New Jersey Democrats Charged with Mail-In Voter Fraud

Two Paterson, New Jersey councilmen and two men linked to a councilmen's campaign have been charged with mail-in voting fraud.

www.breitbart.com

Ballot Deliverers' Union Endorses Joe Biden for President

The federal employees Democrats want to play an integral part in their vote-by-mail ploy have endorsed Joe Biden for president. | Politics

www.breitbart.com

USPS Worker Allegedly Throws GOP Sheriff's Campaign Ads in Dumpster

A USPS worker was accused Friday of tossing a sheriff's campaign flyers into a dumpster in Fort Bend County, Texas.

www.breitbart.com

Obama Soliciting Funding for Vote-by-Mail Effort

Former President Barack Obama sent out an email blast yesterday advocating vote-by-mail, early voting, and online voter registration.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Mr Brown]

That is incorrect! You sound like CNN. Here are just a few. It's strange how only Dems what mail in voting...wonder why.

1,285 documented cases of voter fraud vs 250,000,000 eligible voters. That's 0.0005% or, if you prefer to look at actual cases versus votes cast (183,000,000) 0.0009%
That's 5/10000ths or 9/10,000ths of a percent respectively. So, no, voter fraud is not a thing. If you want to control the outcome of am election, the fewer votes cast the easier it becomes. This is true for both legitimate and fraudulent means. Even if you believe that the documented cases of fraud are just the tip of the iceberg and say it represents just 1% of actual cases, it's still not enough to swing an election.
Voter suppression however has a well documented history in the US, both legally and through violence and intimidation. Gerrymandering is nothing new, and the Republican party are the ones using it to reduce the amount of votes cast, which is a much better way to influence the outcome of an election. For example, if you decided to hold an election at a time when working class people were more likely to be working, it would mean that the upper class would have more opportunity to vote and get the results which advantaged them. Ya know, like on a Tuesday or something....

 

[08BusaKY]

1,285 documented cases of voter fraud vs 250,000,000 eligible voters. That's 0.0005% or, if you prefer to look at actual cases versus votes cast (183,000,000) 0.0009%
That's 5/10000ths or 9/10,000ths of a percent respectively. So, no, voter fraud is not a thing. If you want to control the outcome of am election, the fewer votes cast the easier it becomes. This is true for both legitimate and fraudulent means. Even if you believe that the documented cases of fraud are just the tip of the iceberg and say it represents just 1% of actual cases, it's still not enough to swing an election.
Voter suppression however has a well documented history in the US, both legally and through violence and intimidation. Gerrymandering is nothing new, and the Republican party are the ones using it to reduce the amount of votes cast, which is a much better way to influence the outcome of an election. For example, if you decided to hold an election at a time when working class people were more likely to be working, it would mean that the upper class would have more opportunity to vote and get the results which advantaged them. Ya know, like on a Tuesday or something....

There are way more cases of fraud than you mentioned. There are many more that get away with it. Vote in person! No need for mail in voting for the masses. You also should need ID. It already has swung elections. Even before I left Ca. in 2002. Voter suppression is BS. You need an ID for most things.

 

[fallenarch]

That is incorrect! You sound like CNN. Here are just a few. It's strange how only Dems what mail in voting...wonder why.

New Jersey Democrats Charged with Mail-In Voter Fraud

Two Paterson, New Jersey councilmen and two men linked to a councilmen's campaign have been charged with mail-in voting fraud.

www.breitbart.com

Ballot Deliverers' Union Endorses Joe Biden for President

The federal employees Democrats want to play an integral part in their vote-by-mail ploy have endorsed Joe Biden for president. | Politics

www.breitbart.com

USPS Worker Allegedly Throws GOP Sheriff's Campaign Ads in Dumpster

A USPS worker was accused Friday of tossing a sheriff's campaign flyers into a dumpster in Fort Bend County, Texas.

www.breitbart.com

Obama Soliciting Funding for Vote-by-Mail Effort

Former President Barack Obama sent out an email blast yesterday advocating vote-by-mail, early voting, and online voter registration.

www.breitbart.com

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Riots are happening in areas with large black populations, so why wouldn't those cities have Democratic mayors?

All of your sources are Breitbart, hardly a credible source and several of these don't even claim voter fraud (and yes, I only read the headlines).

Trump's own voter fraud commission was dissolved for lack of evidence of any systemic voter fraud. On the other hand the Republican vote rigging effort is apparent. Wiping people off the roles by the thousands, 8+ hour lines in black & brown areas compared to 1 hour lines in white areas to vote, and even a GA candidate who was running the election while being in charge of it!

Bottom line is the demographics are against Republicans. What this means is that there is really no motive to commit massive voter fraud for Democrats. As Trump himself said, "If everyone votes Republicans would never win another election". Republicans are a shrinking percentage of the population and they have been preventing people of color from voting since reconstruction.

 

[08BusaKY]

Riots are happening in areas with large black populations, so why wouldn't those cities have Democratic mayors?

All of your sources are Breitbart, hardly a credible source and several of these don't even claim voter fraud (and yes, I only read the headlines).

Trump's own voter fraud commission was dissolved for lack of evidence of any systemic voter fraud. On the other hand the Republican vote rigging effort is apparent. Wiping people off the roles by the thousands, 8+ hour lines in black & brown areas compared to 1 hour lines in white areas to vote, and even a GA candidate who was running the election while being in charge of it!

Bottom line is the demographics are against Republicans. What this means is that there is really no motive to commit massive voter fraud for Democrats. As Trump himself said, "If everyone votes Republicans would never win another election". Republicans are a shrinking percentage of the population and they have been preventing people of color from voting since reconstruction.

What have democrats done for black people in all those cities for decades? They need to wake up. What have the dems done in the last 3+ years aside from resisting trump and pointless investigations (you asked me about Trumps accomplishments)? I suppose you think CNN is the go to source for news...lol

They wiped dead people and people that moved off voter rolls as they should. We only had one site here to vote and lines are long too.