First, white people commit most crimes in America according to the FBI (and that's not including white-collar crime). You are talking on both sides of the numbers though. First you say police shoot more Whites so there is no bias. You say cops killed 12 to 15% more whites but they are 3 times the black population. So this fact does not really address a bias of the cops, only that there are more white people. Then you switch back to percentages to say Blacks have a tendency to commit more crime. Bottom line is Blacks are much more likely to get arrested or killed by a cop on a percentage basis. Blacks are more likely to be targeted by cops. Blacks are far likely to be convicted by the same crime as a white, and far more likely to receive harsh sentences. Did you know according to the CDC (not sure what years) cops were listed as like the number 7 killer of young black men? That's crazy!
Take for example all the blacks in jail for crack when the laws for cocaine are much weaker. This is because crack is a Ghetto drug and cocaine is the white color party favorite. Another thing people overlook is that poor people, white or black tend to have similar experiences with the justice system. Because more Blacks are at or near the poverty line the percentages are skewed.
You are talking on both sides of the numbers though.
I think we're saying the same thing with different mindsets. I am assuming police kill violent criminals the overwhelming majority of the time they kill someone. You are assuming that police kill people fairly frequently and maybe for no reason? If you are correct about that, there’s no point in considering the crime statistics of black people and white people. …but if there is a correlation between violent crime and deaths caused by police…
First, white people commit most crimes in America according to the FBI (and that's not including white-collar crime).
Yes white people commit most violent crime and you must be correct about white people committing almost all white collar crime (see, I'm trusting in my biases). I was focussed on violent crime because that seems to be the kind of crime that will result in one having the cops kill one's self.
Agreed, white people do commit most violent crime. Also agreed, that is because there are mostly white people in this country. Police do kill more white people. I'm assuming that is related to the white people committing violent crimes. More violent white people in the US, more police killings of white people. That’s fair, isn’t it?
There are far fewer black people but look at the number of violent crimes committed by blacks and then look at how many of them get killed by police. Only half as many black people are killed by police yet black people committed more murders than the far more numerous white people did.
True, violent white criminals committed twice as many rapes, aggravated assaults and other crimes but like I keep saying, there are far more than twice as many white people than there are black people.
So this fact does not really address a bias of the cops, only that there are more white people.
I’m addressing both of those. There are more white people but black people commit darn near the same amount of violent crimes. That is why cops are biased, they see people committing violent crimes and it’s a black guy half the time even though there are so few black guys out there. Imagine the numbers of violent crimes you see committed by black people if you’re a cop who works an inner city neighborhood. The black people are doing the same amount of crime as 10 white neighborhoods of approximately the same population density.
Then you switch back to percentages to say Blacks have a tendency to commit more crime.
Yes, as explained copiously above. Few blacks committing half or more of the crime. They do have a tendency to commit more crimes. Well, not a tendency, they do.
Bottom line is Blacks are much more likely to get arrested or killed by a cop on a percentage basis. Blacks are more likely to be targeted by cops.
Yes, because black people commit far more violent crime per capita of black people than white people do per capita of white people. I’m extrapolating of course. It’s possible cops kill a lot people who did not commit a crime. I’d have to look up statistics on that. I’ll leave that to someone else if they feel that is the real reason so many black people get killed by police in spite of the fact blacks are a lot fewer in number within the whole population.
Blacks are far likely to be convicted by the same crime as a white, and far more likely to receive harsh sentences.
Now we are talking about the legal system. I’ll take your word on what you said. I do not deny that racism exists. I acknowledge that there is a bias against black people caused by black people committing a far larger number of crimes per capita among other black people than is true for white criminals among all other whites. This bias should not carry over to the judicial system. That is where there is supposed to NOT be bias.
Did you know according to the CDC (not sure what years) cops were listed as like the number 7 killer of young black men? That's crazy!
Yes it is crazy and I wouldn’t doubt it’s true. It could be because so many young black men are violent criminals. Like white, violent criminal = you might just get killed by the cops.
Another thing people overlook is that poor people, white or black tend to have similar experiences with the justice system. Because more Blacks are at or near the poverty line the percentages are skewed.
Ya, I have always said that the real reason for crime is not color, it is poverty. It so happens we have a lot more black people living in poverty than any other color. Latinos and Native Americans also have it tough but I don’t even want to try to get into comparing Latino and Native American crime to black and white crime. We’ll have a dissertation going here.
fallen, if I’m correct in assuming that you believe there is a large number of police killings that have no relationship to crime and if you are correct about that, then yes, black people are likely getting killed by police for no reason much more frequently than whites. If crime is relevant to the killings, cops kill black criminals far less than they kill white criminals.
That’s right, he’s interested in ratings not curbing Covid infections.
