I just found out my Grandma voted fro Biden...

Bumblebee said:
This thread is a continuation of all the other rhetoric threads surrounding the election and the same stuff just keeps going around and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around.

In the US you have two parties-one wins the election and one loses the election....it's just that simple except you through in popular votes and electoral votes....there are tens of thousands of people and officials overseeing the election to ensure it isn't compromised.....for the people of the United States to openly dispel and not trust the outcome of their own electoral process is just dangerous as this can spell the end of a democracy within the republic.

I've been in many countries where this process has failed and there is not a very positive outcome for the people there. In many of these countries, the citizens are well armed and launch coups after coups trying to displace an embedded government, all that results in is dead people and destroyed infrastructure. After a while the country as it sits is generally not recoverable and deteriorates into survival of the fittest.

Pray to whomever you pray this never happens within the US-all these conspiracy theorists and anti-democracy groups are a real danger-sadly your own current president is among those who are a danger to your country right now.
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In case you didn't notice... the destructive force is centered in the leftist marxist tactics of the democrats. They riot, tear down statues, burn, smash and destroy property to cause an effect on the rest of us. On inauguration day in 2017 did you not notice the outright mayhem taking place about a mile away from the US Capitol building?
They even burned Larry Kings limo that day... for what? It was because they wanted to put on a show of force to let people know they will do whatever they want to achieve their utopian (draconian) goals.

Just because we have two political parties doesn't mean that the only political influence is coming from those 2 parties. The republicans have had a few lessons in leadership in recent years though it hasn't really made much of a difference because many of them are Rhinos.

You say its sad when an uprising takes place? Well... how do you think this country was born? Sometimes it takes blood to wash away the corrupt filth that has permeated our political system. I guess you haven't figured out what the left wants... They want total control... and that is to take away our guns, free speech, and right to assemble among other rights written in our founding documents.

Just listen the the rhetoric surrounding the Georgia Senate race... if the doesn't wake you up... nothing ever will. If the Dims control everything then you can kiss this country goodbye... they will run it into the ground just like they have in the cities where the dims control the politics there.

You seem to have a selective memory for how we got to where we are today.

History keeps repeating itself for a reason... the reason is we have megalomaniacs that want to control humanity. Do you want to live under the control of tyrants? I don't... and if I die in the process of defending my rights as guaranteed in the Constitution... then, I die... I won't live with the ill will that the leftist have in mind. This country was born on the idea of personal freedoms and all the good that comes from it... if you want peace then comply, obey, and let them tax you unfairly... its your choice.
 
ottafish said:
And that's different to "depend on your employer for your lively hood" how exactly?
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You want the government to control you? Take your guns, history and the amount of money you make and intake. That's whats happening. We have a choice now. Many have died for that right. ME and YOU might not be able to stop it but I would rather die to try and keep that freedom. We are Americans, Trump isn't perfect and has done things I dont agree. But he is working for the people. The best option WE have.
 
Bumblebee said:
This thread is a continuation of all the other rhetoric threads surrounding the election and the same stuff just keeps going around and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around.

In the US you have two parties-one wins the election and one loses the election....it's just that simple except you through in popular votes and electoral votes....there are tens of thousands of people and officials overseeing the election to ensure it isn't compromised.....for the people of the United States to openly dispel and not trust the outcome of their own electoral process is just dangerous as this can spell the end of a democracy within the republic.

I've been in many countries where this process has failed and there is not a very positive outcome for the people there. In many of these countries, the citizens are well armed and launch coups after coups trying to displace an embedded government, all that results in is dead people and destroyed infrastructure. After a while the country as it sits is generally not recoverable and deteriorates into survival of the fittest.

Pray to whomever you pray this never happens within the US-all these conspiracy theorists and anti-democracy groups are a real danger-sadly your own current president is among those who are a danger to your country right now.
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GMbusa said:
Meh, it was a very stupid decision on her part but it's still your grandma. In the end we're still all Americans.
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It was a joke.... its also a dose of reality... nobody's grandma has much to say about anything once they have passed into the eternalness of eternal life.

You are going to have to define what an American is for this discussion. To "Some" people it means roll over and play dead. To others it means don't tread on me or else... So... be pacified with your X Box or whatever you choose to distract yourself with... or... take a stand and vote with the best choice that preserves the freedoms were all guaranteed when this country was born... its your choice.
 
zrxmax374 said:
In case you didn't notice... the destructive force is centered in the leftist marxist tactics of the democrats. They riot, tear down statues, burn, smash and destroy property to cause an effect on the rest of us. On inauguration day in 2017 did you not notice the outright mayhem taking place about a mile away from the US Capitol building?
They even burned Larry Kings limo that day... for what? It was because they wanted to put on a show of force to let people know they will do whatever they want to achieve their utopian (draconian) goals.

Just because we have two political parties doesn't mean that the only political influence is coming from those 2 parties. The republicans have had a few lessons in leadership in recent years though it hasn't really made much of a difference because many of them are Rhinos.

You say its sad when an uprising takes place? Well... how do you think this country was born? Sometimes it takes blood to wash away the corrupt filth that has permeated our political system. I guess you haven't figured out what the left wants... They want total control... and that is to take away our guns, free speech, and right to assemble among other rights written in our founding documents.

Just listen the the rhetoric surrounding the Georgia Senate race... if the doesn't wake you up... nothing ever will. If the Dims control everything then you can kiss this country goodbye... they will run it into the ground just like they have in the cities where the dims control the politics there.

You seem to have a selective memory for how we got to where we are today.

History keeps repeating itself for a reason... the reason is we have megalomaniacs that want to control humanity. Do you want to live under the control of tyrants? I don't... and if I die in the process of defending my rights as guaranteed in the Constitution... then, I die... I won't live with the ill will that the leftist have in mind. This country was born on the idea of personal freedoms and all the good that comes from it... if you want peace then comply, obey, and let them tax you unfairly... its your choice.
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This isn't 1776, the America you know won't survive another uprising like what founded it...it almost didn't survive the civil war it experienced.

Failed states around the world are not places to be taken lightly...you should take it upon yourself to go spend a bit of time in a few to really get the feeling of how good it is in the US even it it is controlled by the Democrats...

It is much better than being controlled by war lords.
 
Bigboy Busa2 said:
You want the government to control you? Take your guns, history and the amount of money you make and intake. That's whats happening. We have a choice now. Many have died for that right. ME and YOU might not be able to stop it but I would rather die to try and keep that freedom. We are Americans, Trump isn't perfect and has done things I dont agree. But he is working for the people. The best option WE have.
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Most civilized countries in the world are in the same boat as this. Governments are in place to ensure all people have a voice. I sure wouldn't want to have their job as there are just so many different voices out there.
 
Bumblebee said:
Most civilized countries in the world are in the same boat as this. Governments are in place to ensure all people have a voice. I sure wouldn't want to have their job as there are just so many different voices out there.
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Hi. This is true. My a vet told me when he went to vote [they look in a book to see if you where you live. he looked in the book while they looked for his name. There was a check mark next to his whifes name and then they put a check next to his. He asked how did she vote ? They said it must have been by mail. He said she has been dead 2 yrs They said they would look into it. He has not told me any more. I will find out later when I see him again
 
Red05 said:
Oh man that's precious

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Not sure how the first part of your post frames this. Normally, I understand if not agree with the overall point of your posts. Biden's fraud organization? Back up a bit, mister never misspoke in your life. I once called a girl by the wrong name during sex. Puts Biden's misspeak to shame.
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Tell us how calling a girl by the wrong name went... I had a friend ask a girl during sex what her name was... that ended the activity on the spot...

The anomalies are numerous... like... why did all the swing states swing towards Biden exclusively in disproportionate numbers ? The mail in vote is your answer... I already know that, but, I ain't buying it... and neither is a lot of other people that were there and witnessed the fraud up close based on thousands of affidavits that the courts are ignoring.

Oh, and why would anybody ever vote for Hillary? Is it her honest and ethical behavior as Secretary of State? Maybe its the way she attacked some of Bills old girlfriends in the media... Maybe its the way she and Bill stole White House items in 2000 and got caught... and then had to return them...
Or was it the way she, or Obama, or her staff didn't respond to 1200 + or minus phone calls for assistance
when Bengazi went down and 4 Americans died needlessly... how's that for leadership?
 
Bumblebee said:
This isn't 1776, the America you know won't survive another uprising like what founded it...it almost didn't survive the civil war it experienced.

Failed states around the world are not places to be taken lightly...you should take it upon yourself to go spend a bit of time in a few to really get the feeling of how good it is in the US even it it is controlled by the Democrats...

It is much better than being controlled by war lords.
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You have this "lowest common denominator" type of thinking. Comparing yourself, your're friends, or even your country is an exercise in futility "if" you are committed to improvement across the board. We need the most honest government money can buy. If you don't start there then everything gets built on a foundation prone to failure because people see the lies. And... people do not like governments lying to them.

What we have here in this election is theft, deception, and intentional corruption inside our polling places.
The lefties here think the election was honest... just like Russia, just like impeachment, just like all the other phony baloney crap the democrats come up with.

Perhaps warlords are not the way to go... then again... what does Antifa, BLM, Black Panther, and the KKK stand for? Are these not their own little factions of Warlords? Are you telling me they won't kill people in support of their "cause"? They already have... and Obama supports them...

The Democrats don't call any of these groups out until it hurts their polling.

I think their are some real Patriots that would relish the opportunity to take on a few of these groups that bring harm to our citizens and our country.

I get the failed states item you mentioned... my wife is from Nicaragua and came here under political asylum... and... her dad was a colonel in the military and opposed to Samosa. Somehow that deadbeat made it back to the top... some people never learn.
 
zrxmax374 said:
You have this "lowest common denominator" type of thinking. Comparing yourself, your're friends, or even your country is an exercise in futility "if" you are committed to improvement across the board. We need the most honest government money can buy. If you don't start there then everything gets built on a foundation prone to failure because people see the lies. And... people do not like governments lying to them.

What we have here in this election is theft, deception, and intentional corruption inside our polling places.
The lefties here think the election was honest... just like Russia, just like impeachment, just like all the other phony baloney crap the democrats come up with.

Perhaps warlords are not the way to go... then again... what does Antifa, BLM, Black Panther, and the KKK stand for? Are these not their own little factions of Warlords? Are you telling me they won't kill people in support of their "cause"? They already have... and Obama supports them...

The Democrats don't call any of these groups out until it hurts their polling.

I think their are some real Patriots that would relish the opportunity to take on a few of these groups that bring harm to our citizens and our country.

I get the failed states item you mentioned... my wife is from Nicaragua and came here under political asylum... and... her dad was a colonel in the military and opposed to Samosa. Somehow that deadbeat made it back to the top... some people never learn.
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Most of the failed states I've had the misfortune to be in have had this exact same scenario play out-loss of faith in the government and it's processes.

Elections are a process and if the people no longer believe in their sanctity, the basic essence of the electoral process is no longer valid. There are factions on both sides of the fence, Mr Trump also has his followers who are less than savory and these followers along with the other mentioned factions are not too concerned as to whom is in power as they have existed and flourished for many years with either party in power.

If there are many more out there who share your views, the US could very well be on it's way to becoming a hot spot for the rest of the world to watch. Failure of democracy comes very quickly, almost overnight, I've seen where neighbors who have been living beside each other for 20 yrs started killing each other over political view points. These people were well armed and many were ex-military so had training.

Whole communities have been reduced to rubble over this same scenario-then the government in power started sending in troops to quell the uprising. Nothing came out of this other than death and destruction. I saw were government troops started going door to door and neighborhood to neighborhood killing and destroying.....and it happened fast and we were helpless to step in to stop it.

It slowly filtered to the military who started in-fighting amongst themselves with us stuck in the middle.

Not a pretty sight and one I certainly would never hope to ever see in the US-but all it takes is a spark..
 
When people are expected to accept a rigged election then the whole process of electing people to positions of power sets the table for a revolution. I agree, its not a pretty sight.

So... depending on what you believe happened in the 2020 election, the facts remains... election fraud happened... it came as no surprise to many people that already knew it was going to happen. The president's EO drafted in 2018 was a sure indication that a remedy needed to be installed to warn the leftist democrats that punishments are the consequences for election fraud.

Notice... that every correction of the vote count favored Biden heavily the swing states... given the support the president had and many other anomalies its ridiculous the think that Biden got more votes than Obama in 2008 or 2012... it just did not happen. Its clear now that some of the fraud will never be fully exposed for the prior planning put into play was planned months ago. Its how the left rolls... the left doesn't really care much anymore if its discovered that they cheated... With solid cover from the FBI and DOJ these days its not a big deal to lie, cheat, besmirch and propagandize the public through the media... its nothing new. Add to that the big money invested in silencing the conservative right through all the various channels is a big operation that will not end anytime soon.
 
zrxmax374 said:
When people are expected to accept a rigged election then the whole process of electing people to positions of power sets the table for a revolution. I agree, its not a pretty sight.

So... depending on what you believe happened in the 2020 election, the facts remains... election fraud happened... it came as no surprise to many people that already knew it was going to happen. The president's EO drafted in 2018 was a sure indication that a remedy needed to be installed to warn the leftist democrats that punishments are the consequences for election fraud.

Notice... that every correction of the vote count favored Biden heavily the swing states... given the support the president had and many other anomalies its ridiculous the think that Biden got more votes than Obama in 2008 or 2012... it just did not happen. Its clear now that some of the fraud will never be fully exposed for the prior planning put into play was planned months ago. Its how the left rolls... the left doesn't really care much anymore if its discovered that they cheated... With solid cover from the FBI and DOJ these days its not a big deal to lie, cheat, besmirch and propagandize the public through the media... its nothing new. Add to that the big money invested in silencing the conservative right through all the various channels is a big operation that will not end anytime soon.
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There's no reason to keep discussing this. You continue to claim fraud happened, still with no proof. You also continue to mention that Biden got more votes than Obama; it's so obvious why, in 2012 Obama was not running against someone that a little more than half the country absolutely hates. I have never seen partisan passion as strong as this last election, and the Trump haters showed up and walloped him. You and the other Trump supporters can't wrap your head around that.

You'll keep spouting this stuff after January 6th and I'm sure after Biden's inauguration. It's disrespectful to our country.
 
Red05 said:
There's no reason to keep discussing this. You continue to claim fraud happened, still with no proof. You also continue to mention that Biden got more votes than Obama; it's so obvious why, in 2012 Obama was not running against someone that a little more than half the country absolutely hates. I have never seen partisan passion as strong as this last election, and the Trump haters showed up and walloped him. You and the other Trump supporters can't wrap your head around that.

You'll keep spouting this stuff after January 6th and I'm sure after Biden's inauguration. It's disrespectful to our country.
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Give it a break... the Dimtards lie and steal everything they can gets their mitts on... Russia, impeachment and all the other follies the left participates in are nothing more than power grabs... They support BLM and Antifa as the thug side of their geo political machinery... they have the MSM, Big Tech, Academia, Hollywood and more... they want everything... they want to control everything.... and you tell us we are faulty in our opinions.... a total joke. Today the thugs are at somebody's house threatening violence... its how they roll.... Biden... one of the longest running swamp creatures around... 47 years of political graft where he openly admits all kinds of illegal activities... even uses the word "prostitute" to describe himself. His brother uses the words "deniable plausibility" when asked by Bobilinsky "How do you expect to get away with this?"

Anyway... I can discuss anything I like just like you can... but... here you are telling me to suppress my opinion... well... blank you... that is all I have to say about it. Nobody is stopping you from running your mouth... right? So... say what you want... this election is full of fraud and the left will never admit it no matter how much evidence comes forward... Remember... Hillary said never concede... not that it matters anyway... conceding is a formality and not required to determine a winner.

My only question is... if you play, cheat, and win a game, an election, or a judgement... did you really win?
 
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