Is Romney Really the best you all can do?
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How Obama Writes His Speeches - TIME
Most articles have him writing the majority but not the total of his speeches.
lil charlie
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Man, this country needs so many things fixed that neither president stands a chance. Im a 'Right Winger', I do not agree with 80% of what Obama does, yet I stand behind our president and I believe that he is doing what he feels is best for our country. Im a Blue Collar working man so who am I do say I know more than him, so I try to not judge too much. The only thing I can do is vote, and I will be voting for Mitt as I only disagree with about 60-70% of what he plans on doing. IMO the House and the Senate are too greedy, that is where we need to start 'cleaning house'. Do I feel Mitt is the best choice to lead our GREAT Nation??? NO! Those comments he made were pretty stupid but I feel he is the lesser of to evil's so what choice do I have? Vote the independent guy who has no chance just to prove a point??? Thats pretty much the same thing as voting for Obama and I cant bring myself to do that. 4 years ago Obama was right...we need a change and I dont think a change in president alone is going to to it. America is doomed at the pace we are borrowing and spending money, I feel sorry for the Baby boomers that are trying to retire right now...I can only imagine how it's going to be when I'm ready. Why are we spreading AID money to all these countries who hate us when our own budget is crumbling? This si the stupidest thing I have ever heard of, and why the crap does Obama apologize to other nations so much...I dont see other nations apologizing to us. Obama is a strong leader but I feel that he bends to other Nations too much and he needs a stronger spine.
I wish I could withdraw what I already have coming from SS now because either way I don't see it being there for me 30 yrs from now.
That's not YOUR money...and remember, YOU didn't earn it, either.....
No I don't think Mitt's the best the conservatives could have put out, but he's the name on the ticket. Some of the real battle HAS to be over control of Congress. Harry Reid has GOT TO GO. The Dems had their chance with 2 of the last 4 years with total control of both the House and Senate, and they totally screwed it all up. If Obama does get reelected, a conservative House AND Senate Majority could block most of what stunts he's already promised to try and pull, and in fact pass a few items that this country needs (like maybe a fricken BUDGET). Since Obama can't get re-elected, a Dem Pres with a Conservative Senate has a decent chance of cooperating a little (think Clinton) - while not what I'd hope for, that would be better than things standing as they do now. But then we have to start worrying about Federal judge and SCOTUS nominees.
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How Obama Writes His Speeches - TIME
Most articles have him writing the majority but not the total of his speeches.
Do you SERIOUSLY believe that? Let me ask you.....if you were in his seat, or one of his top political advisors, would you not say the same? Especially to a magazine? would it not deflate the meaning of his speeches if he was only a great speaker and not a great writer as well?
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I guess what I'm getting at is how much of that speech he "wrote" is actually of Obama's penmanship by the time he makes it to the stage? If it WAS, say, 90% wouldn't you hope he had something higher priority to do with his day than to write a speech? My point is speech writing is time consuming, menial, and a large relative waste of someone in his position's power. I would "hope" he wasn't wasting his time on the speeches. Rather, on how to subtract 2.3 from 3.2.... ???
This is actually a good watch. Kinda boring ass voice, but a good look at why focusing on just TAXING more is not the problem. We don't have a revenue problem here in the US, we are actually doing quite well in that regard(assuming you throw out the obamacare), it's Gov't SPENDING we are killing the country with. But, what politician in their right mind would want to admit and readily attack that?! haha
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When you read a bunch of articles from a bunch of different folks who largely agree that he does write his own I'm inclined to believe it. And for that I applaud him. I don't see why you have problem with the person who's going to speak writing his own words? Or would you prefer a TelePrompTer puppet? The article I linked maybe you didn't read stated after his days work was done he stayed up late working on personal things which included quiet time for his speeches. Agree or disagree with the man and his policies I admire his personal dedication. With W it was most likely the first time he'd ever seen the speech he was reading when he delivered them.
Actually one of his speach writers is a relative (not sure what a cousin on a brother in law's side is to me). They block out the speech based on a meeting where Obama sets out themes and issues. They research the information and fact check. Then he takes the draft and finishes it. aparently he is exceptionally fast and always knows exactly what he wants to say.
Exceptional speakers are almost always also exceptional thinkers. For example Clinton was very much into the details of policy and that made him very fluent when it came to speaking. Many people (on my side that is) say Reagan, who was also an exceptional speaker, was just an actor but he was in fact a very well read student of political thinking and American politics specifically. Lincoln was not appreciated as a speaker until way after his death. He was an example of a poor speaker but an exceptional intellectual and writer.
When you get right down to it, speaking is the biggest stick a president carries in the effort to lead the country and impress American policy at home and abroad.
BTW: If you think this country is not better off than it was in 2008 when Obama got it from Bush you are on crack and completely denying all facts. Are you aware that Obama's job growth performance is better than both Bushes and Reagan's first term?
He DOES have a part in it, so yes, in technical terms he writes his stuff. I don't think you understand how much internal politics is included in these glossed over speeches and how little of ANY major politicians own speech actually makes it to the stage. To think that ANY of these guys have much say in their personal speeches is a little short sighted. That goes for W, Clinton, obama, ETC in the modern age.
Just not true.
Yes, and or the opposite as in the article i referenced. Obama will act as proofreader or as initial draft. His actual part is direction of the speech and overall topics. The delivery is in the hands of the speaker and wording is all the hands of professionals like your cousin. That goes for all politicians or major CEO's nowadays. Your cousin as a writer would agree to this.
Interesting....I always thought their actions were the biggest stick? I guess we see differently...
how can you say that? A look at ANY of the driving factors will tell you our country is worse off? Credit rating, national defecit by %, unemployment #'s higher, higher taxes, median income in middle class families.
Then again, we are lucky....we DO have healthcare for all!!! yayy!!!...
how do you know?
I am well aware of the tactics used in major corporations and by MAJOR CEO's. These same presentation and speech writers work for many of the high ranking politicians you see daily on tv. I know because I've worked with them as well(not the politicians, but the presentation and speech writer trainers). What knowledge do you bring other than "just not true". I come from spoken word with the actual people that do this stuff for a living. Even you said yourself that obama provides a agenda/topics and potentially a draft. Your "relative" either creates a draft or reviews his draft. You do know that once your "relative" and obama finishes that "final" presentation, it does not go on stage. Rather, It heads to his advisor panel for a final chop up before pushing him out on stage, right?
Again, this ISNT just Obama. This is ANY major key speaker, both in the business and in the political world. To think that Obama scribbles something down on a napkin, calls it gold, and walks out to the general US public is lunatic talk.
Let me guess: Obama writes his own, but certainly Romney doesn't and neither did W. I'm sure Clinton was a sole writer in his speeches as well. My point is being biased on such a trivial topic is the problem with us today. The Political juggernaut we deal with allows you to be glossy eyed at the true problems: the financial crisis. Truth is Financially we are in a MUCH worse situation today than we were and are, by the numbers, in a financial depression. To think otherwise is hopeless. It's like throwing the credit card bill in the trash because you don't want to deal with the # that's on it. Truth is in the #'s and just throwing up trillions in debt to prop up a failing budget is not the answer.
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Lets assume for a moment we dont discuss the facts that Obama has spent more money buying off his corporate cronies and labeling it stimulus money, or the fact he had complete control of congress and house for his first two years and opted to play golf and jet around the world acting like a rock star, while more people lost their homes and jobs. Or he was a puppet for Reid and Pelosi's Obummercare, which will destroy our economy even further, lets not even go there, instead.
Lets talk about the first black president, the man who gives little to charity, has done nothing for black youth, that are 8 times more likely to die from gunfire than white youths.......nothing to pull the blacks from the slavery of welfare and making babies everywhere they drop their pants. Just a few words from this man would save thousands of lives and end so much violence among blacks. He's done nothing until now and it's campaign time so, now he's gotta use race to win. Take a few minutes and watch some of his speeches and how he jives to one crowd, and acts like a preacher at another, he's nothing but a bag of hot air. No plan, no resume, nothing.
If he was a white man how many of you would defend his failed administration?
Lets talk about the first black president, the man who gives little to charity, has done nothing for black youth, that are 8 times more likely to die from gunfire than white youths.......nothing to pull the blacks from the slavery of welfare and making babies everywhere they drop their pants. Just a few words from this man would save thousands of lives and end so much violence among blacks. He's done nothing until now and it's campaign time so, now he's gotta use race to win. Take a few minutes and watch some of his speeches and how he jives to one crowd, and acts like a preacher at another, he's nothing but a bag of hot air. No plan, no resume, nothing.
If he was a white man how many of you would defend his failed administration?
You also love peanutbutter moon pies so how much can your opinion really be worth?
and spiders apparently are important here...
If you think about it there are two problems. The first is that we fought 2 wars for more than a decade, added medicare part D and also cut taxes and therefore revenue. Theis created a huge temporary hole. Add to that the money spent to stop the downward spiral of the economy and stabilize the banking system due to the mortgage crises cost a fortune. That is a ton of dough but our economy can grow out of that really without any problem. People underestimate the power of our economy.
The second problem is a long term structural problem that does center around entitlements. Bottom line is we are going to have to raise the retirement age, adjust benifits and do something with healthcare. No matter who wins the election we are going to have to get a hold of healthcare costs - we can't afford to have insurance companies skimming 25-30% off the top of our healthcare dollars. Taxes have to go up and some sort of socialized medicine is going to have to happen. The second part of this is defense spending. It's simply too much and our society is going to have to make a choice. Most of our defense spending is related to economic concerns, not true defense needs. No society has survived the model we are currently falling into and that IKE warned us about coming out of the WW@ and Keoran War eras.
So the plan is simple. 1) Grow the economy. 2) raise taxes to moderate levels (like where they were with Clinton). 3) Control Healthcare costs. 4) Make adjustments to entitlements that make them sustainable.
Can anyone do this? That's the big question. I don't thiink this is a fast process though, it's going to take a commitment from several administrations both R and D.
Did I answer your question?
Gpmo
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I think that Mitt had a good point but like usual he mucked it up by opening his mouth. Fact is there are more people roughly 47% not paying a federal income tax. These people are mainly the older and younger and they pay all other taxes. This is still a problem ,mitt is 100% correct in his intended point. Entitlement spending is up, but this didn't start with Obama. If I understand correctly what the intended statement was. Mitt thinks we need to get at the problem of tax loops and benefits , in other words tax reform.
The biggest problem with the statement is that he is writing off the 47% of
the population. I know he was pandering to the elite wealthy folks at that fund raising event who like to think they are better than everyone and are the ones that hold up the country.... But to make a statement like that for a prospective president is horrendous. He should be working hard for all 100% of Americans. This just reinforces how out of touch he is with the real America and his elitist standing.
I know all president and politicians say stupid stuff, If you spend that much time in the spot light it's bound to happen. But Mitt does it too regularly. He totally botched his over seas trip has completely screwed his relations with minority immigrants. And most college age kids and all within months. This guy is gonna get our country in trouble. He's going to remove all these tax loops for the middle and working class and going to give as many to wealthy and rich as possible. Trickle down economics doesnt work for a country only for the few at the top.
Anyone that sees him as a good option is out of touch. And what the republican party needs isn't a conservative, they need a republican.
Of course we don't need Obama either....maybe just a regular old democrat.
Something interesting I heard and not fact checked is that the "red states" have more of those folks not paying the fed income tax than the "blue states". Could be interesting if true.
The biggest problem with the statement is that he is writing off the 47% of
the population. I know he was pandering to the elite wealthy folks at that fund raising event who like to think they are better than everyone and are the ones that hold up the country.... But to make a statement like that for a prospective president is horrendous. He should be working hard for all 100% of Americans. This just reinforces how out of touch he is with the real America and his elitist standing.
I know all president and politicians say stupid stuff, If you spend that much time in the spot light it's bound to happen. But Mitt does it too regularly. He totally botched his over seas trip has completely screwed his relations with minority immigrants. And most college age kids and all within months. This guy is gonna get our country in trouble. He's going to remove all these tax loops for the middle and working class and going to give as many to wealthy and rich as possible. Trickle down economics doesnt work for a country only for the few at the top.
Anyone that sees him as a good option is out of touch. And what the republican party needs isn't a conservative, they need a republican.
Of course we don't need Obama either....maybe just a regular old democrat.
Something interesting I heard and not fact checked is that the "red states" have more of those folks not paying the fed income tax than the "blue states". Could be interesting if true.
I know where you are coming from and I can see your point. But Bush2 was an idiot and Romney is loooking like one too. There are much better republicans out there who can stand on their own principals to a point. The office of president is in many ways a compromise. A good president has to govern from the center and can only go to the left or right a limited amount. But if a president is smart about what they push outside the center, they can change the direction of the country. The truth is our long term success depends on it.
For the most part the Democratic candidates are "their own men" (even the stupid ones). This is because the Dems are still following the basic process (as it was adjusted by FDR obviously). I think the Republicans are putting up these empty suits because they are trying to fundamentally change the system and move control from the government to the corporations.
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