Is the ZX-12 Showing It\'s Face...finally???

Hayabusa, you are probably correct.... especially with the clutch mod. Haven't ridden one to know how bad it really is, though. After I give VegasStud a spanking on his Busa, maybe he'll let me get on it and beat him on both!

By the way Vegas, no disrepsect to your wife! Just recalling your more considerate, likeable side.
 
No disrespect taken, it bums me out just thinkin about her......im trying to forget. But dont be too bummed when the busa puts that zx9 in its place............im still a nice guy, damn it!!
 
Time for VegasDude to head to a neutral corner, let Fastzx9 take a standing 8-count.

Yeah Fitch, those big companies definitely have the resources to build what they want to. The question is if they want to do it, and the bottom line is that they are trying to make a profit.

Kawasaki certainly has capability to do aerodynamics work, but their facilities for that part of sportbike design may be a bit behind the new state of the art now. I have no idea, except to see what comes out of the factory. But a wind tunnel for doing work on a commuter plane or a helicopter may not be the best thing (by Hayabusa standards) for doing work on a sport motorcycle. And the most important thing is who has the best engineers.

But you are right, Kasawacki does build ships too. Maybe they could hook up a ZX-12 prototype in one of their towing tanks and drag it through the water. Their bikes are kind of algae or seaweed-colored. And at the rate they are going, that thing will have barnacles growing on it by the time it reaches the showroom anyway!

Fastzx9, just razzing you...we love ya, Man!
 
fastzx9, if im giving the impression that im pissed at you or trying to put you down, im in no way doing that. Im just having fun like a friendly rivalry. If i upset you i apologize.................Your buddy Vegsdude..........
 
I dont do quarter mile. Its bad on the bike. I have been 185 mph indicated on top end. I do my racing side by side roll ons all the way to top end. This type of racing tells the story. The story is which bike is faster. We all know which is anyway. Beside the clutch of the suzuki is not conducive to quarter mile racing even though they have broken the into the 9's on many occassions. this bike is really all about being on the street or road racing, though i never would break the law, fracture it maybe, but not break it.
 
Drag racing is brutaly hard on equipment I agree, the deal with the Busa is to not try and slip the clutch very long out of the hole, just get it out quick at a moderate rpm and roll er on, it has the torque to pull out well without going flat or bogging. The lighter the rider the easier and more sucessful this approah is, anything else requires the clutch kit by Brock Davidson.
 
Bear, hell all these bikes are very fast, go back in time when the Z1 was tops, is it really slow even now? It will still blow the doors off any production car with its 12 second e.t.s Were talking a old bike here, what about 1986? GSXR 1100s and Ninja 1000s, V-Maxs, they could manage a road test 10 sec. e.t. thats not slow, its just that these new bikes are awesome! just like those old bikes were in their time. Arent we just plain lucky to be alive and able to experiace all this and to argue about! Iam very thankful.
 
Who cares about quarter mile, its top end everyone is shooting for. The zx12 does not appear to have the wind tunnel testing that the busa has. The problem is that the wind tunnel testing on the busa actually works and that has gotten the attention of kawasaki. You can have horsepower to a point and less weight to a point but to get to that top end number you have to be sleek. The zx12 is not as sleek looking as the busa. Im not anti kawasaki, i had a 98 zx11 on which i put 17000 miles in a little over a year, with no mechanical problems but facts are facts, The busa is the only motorcycle that i am aware of that has lived up to the hype and i believe even exceeded the hype. I believe that kawasaki has to be more than the horsepower king. It has to be the Wind Tunnel king as well. It will probably look like the busa......hehe

[This message has been edited by VegasDude (edited 18 July 1999).]

[This message has been edited by VegasDude (edited 18 July 1999).]
 
fastzx9, the only reason I said you would beat yourself over the quarter mile (and the only true way to tell) is because my previous bike was a 98 zx9 w/full Akrapovic and my times over the 1/4 were faster on the stock Hayabusa.

My 60ft on the Busa were a slow 1.9 and ran 10.3 @ 141. (no clutch mod)

60ft on zx9 was O.k. 1.7 and ran 10.6 @ 132.

I think that says it all. By the way this was done on the same night and I ran both bikes four times, the above being the best.
 
For the record: Lori Francis and the Screamin' Eagle NHRA Pro Stock Drag Racing team ran a 7.96 second quater mile at 161mph in Atlanta,making her the fastest and quickest female on a Harley-Davidson ever.Information from the Summer 1999 Enthusiast.Who said HD are slow?Facts only,now CJ should enjoy this one!!!!Plus the woman is a looker!!!
 
Harley should stick to the quarter mile... they can't seem to build a bike that will run for 20 laps in AMA superbike for more than 1 race every 3 races. And the Harley you speak of is closer to a cruise missle than anything to ever come off the floor in Milwaukee. They shoud call them Hardley Ableson.
Nailz
PS my brother has one... I hope he reads this!!!!
 
Well, I apologize for my part in the side banter. I think Vegas and I have made up (I hope I didn't assume too much!), so carry on!

Someone had asked about my quarter mile times, 60 footers and such. Here it is...

Sears Point - Sonoma (7/02/99)

60 feet - 1.817
330 feet - 4.462
660 feet - 6.654
660 mph - 113.641
1000 ft - 8.564
E.T. - 10.19
MPH - 138.435

A few things I need to clarify regarding this pass. First, I bracket race this bike, thus deep stage it on a pro tree. This costs you about a tenth on your 60 foot time. Also, I leave the air pressure up in the rear to haze the tire a bit to prevent wheelies. On this particular pass I shut the bike down coming to the first stripe because I had my competitor covered and feared breaking out.

From a shallow stage, the bike has gone mid 1.6's to 60 feet and is a 9 second bike on a good pass in good air. By the way, I'm not on the light nine, this is on a 95 model! Late.
 
Hayabusa, you are right about doing it back-to-back on the same night. Two different tracks, different altitudes, different conditions, etc. makes for an inconsistent test. Not to mention rider weight and skill. You did it the right way!

Hey, maybe one of you guys will let me get on one of your Busa's sometime. I would love to see what I could run on one. I'm not ready to give my nine up and not rich enough to buy both! Late.
 
fastzx9:I'm going to reply to a few lines up about the comment about not being beating by a busa.I know this is kinda late but i've not been on the boards in a few days.First,I've beaten a 98zx9r and a 94 zx-11 in a top speed run on my 98 GSXR-750, keep in mind i do have 128.6 on the dyno,and i have beaten one at the strip,i ran a 10.92 at 128mph, he ran an 11.0,my short time was 1.79,reaction time 5.65, he was just a fraction faster on the reaction time 5.60, i can't remember the 60ft. times for him, but it was close.We also had an all bike day at richmond last month,we got one time run before it was rained out(bummer),but i ran a lowered and modified zx-11, and beat him as well.This time i didn't do as well as i'd liked to(shifted into 2nd kinda slow)but on this run i got an 11.015 he got a 11.099,short time 1.872, him 1.904, trap speed 128.20, him 126.76.Now admittedly,some people can't launch very well,so times will vary.My point is this:I only have 128hp (and this is no bull you can ask hiabuser,he's been present at all of these outings),how can you say that your zx-9r is smoking all of these busa's that have way more hp than i do?You have to figure with my 128 and 10% for ram air at speed give's me 140ish,Now take your average busa at 162hp and add 10% for ram air that gives you 178ish,now thats a hell of alot more than me.So, whats the answer? are you talking strictly drag strip? twisties? what? I also have to disagree with you on the top speed stuff, you may think it's not relevant,and i stand with vegasdude on this one, it does matter.The top speed runs we make tells wether a bike has the HP For the high end numbers.If this isn't true then how could i walk past a zx-9r and a zx-11 that were racing each other on a high speed run?,And my bike doesn't even come close to a busa, period. Now, i'm not putting down your bike in any way shape or form,the zx-9r IS an incredible bike, and i don't doubt your word for a minute,but unless you've done some major stuff to your bike,and your running guys that can't launch or ride very well.How in the world do you think your going to beat every busa that comes along?this just puzzles me and i have to post this reply and ask this question.And for gods sake, please don't get your panties in a twist over this post, it's just my 2 cents as well.
Tommy
 
this is kind of a late reply, but i haven't been on the boards in a few days.This is to
fastzx9r:this is to a comment you made about not being beaten by any busa you've run up against.How can this be when i've run zx-9r's at the strip and on a hig speed runs and beaten them both times?My strip time was a 10.92 @129mph he got an 11.00 @ 126mph, my short time was a 1.79, can't remember his, but we were close,his reaction time was 5.65 mine was a .570.I've even run a lowered and modified zx-11 when we had an all bike day at richmond.We got one time run before it rained on us,but my e.t. was 11.015 his was 11.099,my 60ft was 1.872, his was 1.904, my trap speed was 128.20, his was 126.76, my reaction time was .550, his was .626,and i do have this time slip.You have to figure i have 128.6 on the dyno,and yes i have a dyno graph,the busa has on average 162, now you take ram air into affect 10% gives me about 140hp,add 10% to the busa and that gives you about 178 and that one hell of alot more than me,and my bike doesn't even come close to a busa, period.So, how can this be that your beating all of these busa's? Are you talking strictly drag strip? twisties? what? Also, i have to dissagree with you on the high speed runs, and i stand with vegasdude on this one.The high speed runs we make determine whether a bike has the HP for the high end numbers or not.If this isn't relevant then how could i just walk past(and i went right between them) a zx-9r and a zx-11 that were racing each other on a high speed run?Again this is just a 750,the busa has alot more than i do, so how can you think your going to beat any busa you run up against?Don't get upset with me here, i'll be the first to admit that the zx-9r is one incredible bike and i take nothing away from it, and i don't doubt your word for a minute, but i just have to wonder if the guy's that you raced can't launch or ride as well as you can.So,is your bike modified or what?If i can run a zx-9r and beat him, then a busa should be able to with ease.Now for gods sake,don't get your panties in a twist,i just had to post this reply and ask the question.
tommy
 
fastzx9, i swear, i had nothin to do with it...........i dont even know gixerbike1, I'm going to cyberjosie's place before i get into trouble............
 
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