Last statement from a self-immolation victim

[Blanca BusaLess]

Believe me it was a complete surprise to answer the door and see a woman with DCS badge and a Sheriff! They were already inside almost before they asked if they could come in. They comfirmed who I was and as the lady was walking room to room and checking freshness dates on milk in fridge the sheriff was grilling me on what happened. Remember that my wife was the one who was the one that started it and flipped out in front on the kids. Me, I got in the car and left . I'm not there she can't argue . So I'm calmly answering his questions while she walks around and then he stops she grills me and he walks around. We sit and talk more. By now yes my rebel blood is beginning to heat up. The lady says there is only one bed not big enough for two kids and she will GIVE me till Monday to have another bed in the room for my son. I'm was like 'Huh?' She rattles off some rule and says you're gonna do it. Ok this bull headed idiot is now challenged and seeing red. I said 'look I invited you in here and...' the cop stops me , takes me aside for a min and sets me straight. He said this lady is not one to fool with, she can take your kids in a heartbeat, c'mon just relax, it doesn't seem like there is anything here. So I did relax.
And yes I wound up buying a frickin' bed for my son. He was just under 3 and still slept from bed to bed with his parents or grandma. The DCS woman said kids die ALL THE TIME in beds with adults and she wasnt gonna stand for it. So bed buying I went in a way she was right, I guess but man I'm sorry the whole scene reminded me of some WWII movie.
'Papers Please!' In Florida the state becomes the victim if it is domestic violence. Neither party needs to say the other did anything. The sheriff told me straight up clean scary clear 'If I think your wife hit you I have to arrest her!' I was like Gulp!


Seems we got off track. Sorry for the jack.

 

[cqt1414]

I'll probably be flamed for this, but hey its my view. I think it boils down ultimately to responsibility on BOTH parents. I think a person should more wisely handle who they are going to have children with and children really shouldn't be "oops" accidents, especially this day and age. One of the plights of man (as a species) seems to be our inability in youth to "make good choices."

I couldn't agree more with this part of your statement. I'll take it a step further. I believe there is a growing layer of our current society who have absolutely no parenting skills whatsoever. They have little education at any level. They put more thought, consideration and research towards selecting their dipping sauce for their mcnuggets, than they put towards making a baby, whom they are making it with or planing for the baby's future.

Teen moms, often undereducated and usually on multiple forms of welfare, are not ready to parent children properly. And the ever increasingly absent father is nothing more than a late night sperm donor who has no interest in a baby nor the "baby mama". Typically he already is a non-productive citizen, and will do almost nothing in the coming yrs for this suprise infant.

The careless way humans are created in this country, combined with an increasing competitive job market is not a good recipe.

working in IT for the same company for over 10 yrs, I see where technology jobs are becoming an international job market. Places like India and China are pumping out record numbers of engineers and health care professionals. While some might suggest children here are getting more fat, less active and more disrespectful towards adults.

Before someone replies to point out the many wonderful parents in our country. I'm fully aware and thankful for them. Also, there will always be exceptions, but overall the 'baby mama drama' layer will hinder progress. We are the greatest country and should be concerned with trends that have an overal negative impact on society. jm2c's

 

[VIPER]

Well when I read comments like "poor guy, I understand where he is coming from, his smack was probably a tap, must have been his wedding ring, if it involves govt=stupid, he's actually intelligent, his thinking is right on target etc, etc. I see excuses in defense of his behavior. The same type of way a battered spouse excuses her batterer. The guy split his four year old lip, said so and "had to leave for several hours until things calmed down" Why and what was going on in that home that necessitated that? Think about it. His wife was compelled to seek counsel and it was so out of hand that they both felt he needed to remove himself from the situation. Maybe that's what was meant by being intelligent or his thinking was right on target.

He couldn't see his kids because he split his four year olds lip! The Courts B.S. apparently was protecting them from another split lip or worse. Yeah, He said he didn't want to live without them. That's the Big Lie of suicide. Truth is he was trying to inflict as much pain and suffering on as many people as possible, trying to teach them a lesson. His choice of methods reflects that. It is not and indication of a stable mind.

I'll agree that kids need discipline. I'll never agree that four year olds deserve split lips for licking their father's hand. If that makes sense then it's logical that four year olds deserve a bloody noses for splashing water on their father's arms when in the tub and a broken jaws for not eating their peas. Unfortunately the Socialist Pricks do need to tell guys like this how to raise their families. One way to ensure depression, security and respect issues in kids is to beat the crap out of them for every misstep they make. That's driving a wedge in a family not "sticking together". Unless sticking together means covering up and dismissing his abuse. In those situations the kids are probably using drugs and alcohol just to cope with having to endure in that environment.

My stupid comparison is this:

Two guys giving their one sided stories of beatings. Both felt they did nothing wrong and didn't deserve the consequences of their actions. Certainly didn't feel they were treated fairly by the system. Yet the conclusions that were jumped to, based solely on the perpetrators version of events were polar opposites. The dog whacker was labeled a POS and the child abuser was labeled a poor, intelligent guy that was wronged by the system and his actions were understandable.

I don't know, maybe it was his extensive rant that was effective enough to deflect repulsion of his despicable act. I'm just not seeing how he is the victim in this. The four year old was the victim, along with the rest of his family, not him!!!

I'm sure he was a sad and disheartened father, but in denial of why he was in that position. Blaming the system so he didn't have to accept responsibility of his own action. Baring his soul to deflect attention away from himself and on to the evil Govt we all love to hate. It's ironic how when the system doesn't intervene to protect the kids it's a fail and when it does a poor father that splits his 4 year olds lip is some how wronged by the system. Let's not forget she was four and licked his hand. That's not discipline, it's child abuse.

I don't care how this guy or anyone else packages it, IT'S ABUSE!!! Sad that so many can't see it.

Your either an officer which wouldnt surprise me or have never been through the systems you are sticking up for so strongly. No one was there when this kid got smacked. So no one really knows wether it was abuse or proper correction. You have your opinion same as others on here and i am quite capable of respecting that. If your child ,if you have any, bites you what are you gonna do? say no no no biting thats not right blah blah blah? When it doesnt change, cause anyone with kids knows it wont what are ya gonna do then? Bite them back maybe? Or are ya gonna jam a bar of soap in thier mouth? Or are ya gonna continue your positive reinforcement and hope for the best till your kid bites another kid at daycare and you get labeled as a bad parent that way and reported to dcfs? Just curious....Im not one for smacking kids in th mouth for biting but if they need thier hand smacked they will get it. Same with their butts. The face isnt a good idea because kids have smaller teeth and they are sharp, been biten by the little boogers from people who dont correct thier children, and can very easily cut their lips.

The majority of we older folks on here have been the "victim" of discipline. It made us the good people we are today. A little tap on the behind went a long ways when we were kids. How are the kids of today any different. Why is it so hard to raise and discipline our kids today? This story is a prime reason why!!!! we have stayed quiet for to long and now we are going to pay for it! The government and local gustopo now have enough rules and off the book policies to run our lives and control us how they like. The guy was right to a certain extent on his paper.

You play it off like he is some great abuser who was brought to justice. Truth be told you have no clue same as any of the rest of us here. You read it made a opinion and judged him on the spot as an abuser who got what he deserved. You followed the system you believe in and fit the guy right into now days and reality....GUILTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT!!!

 

[Pardini]

Your either an officer which wouldnt surprise me or have never been through the systems you are sticking up for so strongly. No one was there when this kid got smacked. So no one really knows wether it was abuse or proper correction. You have your opinion same as others on here and i am quite capable of respecting that. If your child ,if you have any, bites you what are you gonna do? say no no no biting thats not right blah blah blah? When it doesnt change, cause anyone with kids knows it wont what are ya gonna do then? Bite them back maybe? Or are ya gonna jam a bar of soap in thier mouth? Or are ya gonna continue your positive reinforcement and hope for the best till your kid bites another kid at daycare and you get labeled as a bad parent that way and reported to dcfs? Just curious....Im not one for smacking kids in th mouth for biting but if they need thier hand smacked they will get it. Same with their butts. The face isnt a good idea because kids have smaller teeth and they are sharp, been biten by the little boogers from people who dont correct thier children, and can very easily cut their lips.

The majority of we older folks on here have been the "victim" of discipline. It made us the good people we are today. A little tap on the behind went a long ways when we were kids. How are the kids of today any different. Why is it so hard to raise and discipline our kids today? This story is a prime reason why!!!! we have stayed quiet for to long and now we are going to pay for it! The government and local gustopo now have enough rules and off the book policies to run our lives and control us how they like. The guy was right to a certain extent on his paper.

You play it off like he is some great abuser who was brought to justice. Truth be told you have no clue same as any of the rest of us here. You read it made a opinion and judged him on the spot as an abuser who got what he deserved. You followed the system you believe in and fit the guy right into now days and reality....GUILTY TILL PROVEN INNOCENT!!!

Ok, fine. I'll respect your opinion that splitting a four year olds lip is a "proper correction".

 

[Malicious]

Well, I read about 1/2 and I can already tell it's so easy for someone to completely ruin a person's life by getting others involved, creating so much redtape BS...unreal...

I will say this though, as a parent...at no point should a parent draw blood from a 4 year old if it were a "slap" across the face. I don't agree with anything this Mom did from that point on, but whatever Dad did to his daughter, it shouldn't have been dismissed as just a simple slap. Just my :2cents: and as a Mom, that wouldn't have been something I just look past either. I wouldn't have ruined my husband's life, but there's more to what he did that what he's said. He still didn't deserve all she did to him though...

i caught that part about the cut lip too... now, i dont have kids, nor do i like kids, and i do agree with disciplinary action that is more than a "time out" but to slap a kid in the face... no, thats abuse in my books, no matter what the reason... didnt read much passed that as i passed the guy off as a mentally unstable dirtbag

 

[Big Bo]

It is a screwed up system, the male is taken to the cleaners. I am going through a divorce also. Take it from a guy that is being forced to, , And I don`t like it.