Learning curve

I would like to throw this out there. For anyone, the type of bike that would be best for any new rider depends on the person riding it. End of story. I can not say that any bike would be best for you or your brother or whoever. However, I can make recommendations based on the years of riding and seat time I have. I also think it wise to listen to other, more expierenced riders who can teach us valuable lessons that can save money and heartache. Is the Busa a good bike for a beginner, again, depends on the person swinging his or her leg over it. Would I loan my Busa to a new rider? Absolutely not. Would I loan my bike to someone I know and trust who has seat time on a Busa, yes.

To Big guy: I promise you as the day is long, if you dumped your bike, the last words out of my mouth or anyones mouth that loves this sport and cares about our members, would be "I told you so". Rock on Brother!
 
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Well, I think, we have determined, given a modicum of maturity, a Hayabusa is a reasonable starter bike.
To those of you have mastered the Hayabusa as a first bike, and mastered all the appropriate street riding skills, with out having rode another motorcycle; is there a motorcycle that you would recommended as inappropriate as a starter bike?

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I've read a lot on this and other sites from riders that are buying 'busas as their first bike and I have to comment...

If one buys a 'busa as their first bike, they are limiting how good a rider they can become.

How?  Because pushing the envelope is how you learn, going too far could get you hurt, and the edge is a fine one on a 'busa.  One needs to slightly scare themselves on a bike as they approach a bike's limits, and once the bike is mastered (I'd say the level you need to get to before moving up is being able to use 80+% of the potential of the machine, no mean feat on a modern mototrcycle).

Every time I moved up (RD350C to GPZ550 to KZ750E to GS1100E to ZRX1200R to '07 'busa) I took most of a season to become accustomed to each bike.  Even going from the GS1100E (lightly modded about 100 hp, good for 11 flats at 120+) straight to the 'busa without the ZRX between them would have flattened my learning curve.

If someone I knew wanted to start riding today, I would recommend at least one season on an SV650 or something comparable.

What do you think?  And people that got a 'busa as a first bike are not qualified to answer, given their lack of perspective...
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I've read a lot on this and other sites from riders that are buying 'busas as their first bike and I have to comment...

If one buys a 'busa as their first bike, they are limiting how good a rider they can become.

How?  Because pushing the envelope is how you learn, going too far could get you hurt, and the edge is a fine one on a 'busa.  One needs to slightly scare themselves on a bike as they approach a bike's limits, and once the bike is mastered (I'd say the level you need to get to before moving up is being able to use 80+% of the potential of the machine, no mean feat on a modern mototrcycle).

Every time I moved up (RD350C to GPZ550 to KZ750E to GS1100E to ZRX1200R to '07 'busa) I took most of a season to become accustomed to each bike.  Even going from the GS1100E (lightly modded about 100 hp, good for 11 flats at 120+) straight to the 'busa without the ZRX between them would have flattened my learning curve.

If someone I knew wanted to start riding today, I would recommend at least one season on an SV650 or something comparable.

What do you think?  And people that got a 'busa as a first bike are not qualified to answer, given their lack of perspective...
Its a free country  
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 We can't go around changing everyones diapers for them  
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Ohhhhh, But its all brown..... and a little green......
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it doesnt matter what bike you fall off of, its still gonna hurt the same. if you cant exersize some disapline and self control when the moment dictates such caution, then your gonna end up in a bad situation no matter what you ride. ive been on several different bikes in the past year including 3 types of 'starter' bikes. i never would recomend any of them cause i didnt feel comfortable on them...except for my busa. its a great starter bike with awesome stability.
 
I've read a lot on this and other sites from riders that are buying 'busas as their first bike and I have to comment...

If one buys a 'busa as their first bike, they are limiting how good a rider they can become.

How? Because pushing the envelope is how you learn, going too far could get you hurt, and the edge is a fine one on a 'busa. One needs to slightly scare themselves on a bike as they approach a bike's limits, and once the bike is mastered (I'd say the level you need to get to before moving up is being able to use 80+% of the potential of the machine, no mean feat on a modern mototrcycle).

Every time I moved up (RD350C to GPZ550 to KZ750E to GS1100E to ZRX1200R to '07 'busa) I took most of a season to become accustomed to each bike. Even going from the GS1100E (lightly modded about 100 hp, good for 11 flats at 120+) straight to the 'busa without the ZRX between them would have flattened my learning curve.

If someone I knew wanted to start riding today, I would recommend at least one season on an SV650 or something comparable.

What do you think? And people that got a 'busa as a first bike are not qualified to answer, given their lack of perspective...

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For young riders, a tiered licensing system would be an excellent idea. High levels of testosterone and mega-hp make for a toxic mix on the streets. Handing a 18 year old male a 130 + hp motorcycle for his first bike and expecting him to exercise throttle control is like asking him not to ogle the girls at the beach. Now if you're 30 or older maybe you can twist your wrist a little slower and won't need to prove your manhood every time you hop on the bike. Too many kids are crippled or dead because they said they could handle that type of power responsibly.  Besides, they're invincible......it will never happen to them.....yada yada.

It was always fun watching the guys get on the track for the first time, doing all they could do, going so fast and dragging that knee. They were flying........or so they thought until  an experienced racer came flying around them twice as fast through the corner and then reaching out and touching them. You could almost see the brown spot forming on their leathers.......point being......many people think they have the ability to master any high horsepower machine they hop on, but few take the time to really learn the capability of the bike they ride or have any clue about their own riding abilities and unfortunately that can mean the difference between an enjoyable day riding or very bad riding experience when the unthinkable happens in front of you.
Do me a favor. . .Don't generalize ALL teenagers as stupid, immature, and irresponsible.  When I was 18 I was plenty responsable.  Don't believe me. . Ask my parents and every other adult I was around.  They will all tell you.  How do I know this, because they have all told ME and others around me that am, and was, A LOT more responsible than most ppl my age.  (I'll be 21 in a few months)  I never thought I was invincible. . .  While my friends were off doing something "death defying" I was the one sittin back goin, "Y'all are stupid".  If you have enough of a brain to know that this thing could kill you at a moments notice before you can even figure out what's going on and that you had better respect it if you want to live, then you can be perfectly fine on one.
I'm not sure where you get the "stupid, immature, and irresponsible" inference from, but let me apologize if thats the way it read.
I salute you and anyone else that is young and can control the urge to show off or try to impress the ladies or their buds on a bike.

Just because almost anyone can learn to ride the busa as their first bike does not change my opinion that the busa is not the best choice starting out learning the necessary skills that might save their life on the street.

I "personally" would feel like an irresponsible parent giving my 17 year old daughter a busa to learn on as a first bike or my 19 year old son a 500 hp Corvette for his first car. Maybe they would do fine BUT IF something happened to them then I would feel like I had been neglegent in my parenting responsibilities.

No flames intended to anyone......just presenting my opinion and only mine.
Thanks for the clarification! And just to clarify MYSELF a little. I'm 20, I bought my busa myself. No help from the parents. However, they did tell me that the only reason they let me do it without any hastle or anything is because they know that I'm responsible enough to take care of myself on it. Again, I'm not tryin to say that I'm as good as everyone else on here that has been ridin for years and years. Just sayin I know where my limits are and I stay within them.
 
Did champs like Rossi, the Haydens, start with superbikes/gp bikes? Did Michael Schumacker learn to race in an F1 car? Did jeff gordon, tony stewart, etc start out driving cup cars?

No. Why is that?
As others have stated. . . Because when you're just starting to try to get into racing, how many guys have a few hundred grand or million to just go dump in a car, team, parts, equipment, etc.? Oh yea, that's right. None. Or at least VERY FEW. They had to start out small, work their way up, get a better, faster car. Get farther, better positions, etc. Then eventually get sponsored, along with which comes money, then get the bigger, better, more powerful cars their in now. But also. . . Apples to apples. The other side of this particular argument is there's a HUGE difference goin from a 50hp bike to a 160hp bike and goin from a 250hp car to a 5000hp car. There's MUCH more need for working up in power if you're going to eventually be drivin a 5000hp race car.
 
Shibumi,

I state my opinion on a subject and ask others to state theirs, and all you can respond with is a BS icon?

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

Blue1
 
Shibumi,

I state my opinion on a subject and ask others to state theirs, and all you can respond with is a BS icon?

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

Blue1
I did state my opinion.
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I did not, however, stoop to insults.



I believe that makes a statement of your character that would make further comments on my part redundant.
 
im kinda of likin' the idea of a 'busa as a first bike. if there are reasonable people buying these, there will be an availability of used bikes. at the rate i'm going, will need to pick one up every 6 months or so.

ps, anyone riding in md next week?
 
Shibumi,

I state my opinion on a subject and ask others to state theirs, and all you can respond with is a BS icon?

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

Blue1
Wow, 78 posts and you already have insults flying in your posts. That's awesome
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So what was this thread about again? Oh yeah, maturity on Busa's
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