I'm not sure now either.. we had gone down to Frisco to fuel up and caught the ride as we were coming back to Copper, the group was just pulling out. It may have gotten faster after I took off to run that stud & his trohpy girl down in the porche. We waited in Vail for the group not knowing the run turned around at the summit and headed back to Copper. I've never been much of a group ride rider, prefer the solitude where I can concentrate on my skillz without worring about messing someone up or vise-versa. However, the festival was great fun, I'd do it again in a minute. I just hope it's warmer next time....those 47 degree mornings were killers. Little frost on the beanstalk if ya know what I mean......