Losing my mind here over starting problems.

TallTom said:
I think we need to eliminate the obvious. Back to beginning. We need to know your battery is good first. Then we need to work the starter function. Will it start off a jump from another vehicle or another battery?
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I tried a jump and that wouldn't work.
 
matthewaurand said:
I tried a jump and that wouldn't work.
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OK so if we have eliminated a bad battery then we need to focus on the starter solenoid. Actually let's make sure all connections are clean and tight. From the battery to the starter terminals. They need to be good metal to metal. If all good, I'd then look at jumping the solenoid terminals to see if you can engage it that way.
 
What’s all this talk of “solenoids” and the starter “jumping out”??
It’s not a car…. It’s a motorcycle and it has a starter RELAY and a starter CLUTCH.
Now… back to reality…. A fully charged jump pack connected to the battery , all connections clean and secure, relay has a healthy “click” and if that starter clutch just spins with a whirring noise, the starter clutch is the obvious faulty link in the “chain” of events needed for cranking the engine over.
The starter clutch is bolted to the end of the crankshaft engaged by means of a spline, so that eliminates a sheared woodruff key causing the problem.
Check the bolt is tight and secure though.

One other thing, I’ve seen many motorcycles jump started using cables connected to a running car, never have I seen that cause a problem to the electrics or the electronics.
I’m not saying it can’t happen, but I’ve never seen it or even heard of it happening, and I’ve been working on motorcycles for a long time.
 
Kiwi Rider said:
What’s all this talk of “solenoids” and the starter “jumping out”??
It’s not a car…. It’s a motorcycle and it has a starter RELAY and a starter CLUTCH.
Now… back to reality…. A fully charged jump pack connected to the battery , all connections clean and secure, relay has a healthy “click” and if that starter clutch just spins with a whirring noise, the starter clutch is the obvious faulty link in the “chain” of events needed for cranking the engine over.
The starter clutch is bolted to the end of the crankshaft engaged by means of a spline, so that eliminates a sheared woodruff key causing the problem.
Check the bolt is tight and secure though.
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I didn't mean to mis use the terms. Starter clutch rather than a solenoid. Still we are trying to go step by step though the start circuit.
 
TallTom said:
I didn't mean to mis use the terms. Starter clutch rather than a solenoid. Still we are trying to go step by step though the start circuit.
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It’s a relay, not a solenoid, and a starter clutch instead of a bendix spring throwing out the starter motor pinion gear.
You’re forgiven, most motorcyclists, or even car mechanics, have no clue how all this works on a bike…. There’s a few YouTube vids that explain it all very well.
 
Kiwi Rider said:
It’s a relay, not a solenoid, and a starter clutch instead of a bendix spring throwing out the starter motor pinion gear.
You’re forgiven, most motorcyclists, or even car mechanics, have no clue how all this works on a bike…. There’s a few YouTube vids that explain it all very well.
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I haven't forgotten. I don't know what a Hayabusa starter even looks like. I've never had to touch mine. I'm just trying to keep him on track in steps.
 
Kiwi Rider said:
What’s all this talk of “solenoids” and the starter “jumping out”??
It’s not a car…. It’s a motorcycle and it has a starter RELAY and a starter CLUTCH.
Now… back to reality…. A fully charged jump pack connected to the battery , all connections clean and secure, relay has a healthy “click” and if that starter clutch just spins with a whirring noise, the starter clutch is the obvious faulty link in the “chain” of events needed for cranking the engine over.
The starter clutch is bolted to the end of the crankshaft engaged by means of a spline, so that eliminates a sheared woodruff key causing the problem.
Check the bolt is tight and secure though.

One other thing, I’ve seen many motorcycles jump started using cables connected to a running car, never have I seen that cause a problem to the electrics or the electronics.
I’m not saying it can’t happen, but I’ve never seen it or even heard of it happening, and I’ve been working on motorcycles for a long time.
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Okay I was going to order a starter clutch from the beginning but i wasn't 100% sure and was making sure I wasn't missing something. Now even though it's spinning one way and not the other is there a way its still bad?
 
matthewaurand said:
Okay I was going to order a starter clutch from the beginning but i wasn't 100% sure and was making sure I wasn't missing something. Now even though it's spinning one way and not the other is there a way its still bad?
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Well, I’m not there to look at it and run tests, but are you 100% sure the battery is fully charged and in good condition?
All the battery cable connections are clean and secure?
Is the starter motor pinion spline good condition and properly engaging with the idler gear?
Is the idler gear properly engaging with the starter clutch gear?
Is the starter clutch bolt secure and torqued?
Are the splines on the end of the crankshaft that engage the starter clutch in good condition?
So many things to look at and verify before ordering an expensive part such as a starter clutch.
 
matthewaurand said:
Okay I was going to order a starter clutch from the beginning but i wasn't 100% sure and was making sure I wasn't missing something. Now even though it's spinning one way and not the other is there a way its still bad?
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If you get too stuck, I'm across the bay. I'll try and lend a hand if I can. I can't drop what I'm doing but I'm close by and can at least guide you through a Hayabusa.
 
Kiwi Rider said:
Well, I’m not there to look at it and run tests, but are you 100% sure the battery is fully charged and in good condition?
All the battery cable connections are clean and secure?
Is the starter motor pinion spline good condition and properly engaging with the idler gear?
Is the idler gear properly engaging with the starter clutch gear?
Is the starter clutch bolt secure and torqued?
Are the splines on the end of the crankshaft that engage the starter clutch in good condition?
So many things to look at and verify before ordering an expensive part such as a starter clutch.
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Everything gearing wise looks fine from what I can tell. I took the small Allen wrench cover off the starter clutch cover and I can see the gear move on the starter clutch. It spins counterclockwise when I try to start the motor. Is the central hub part of the starter clutch supposed to move? Because it doesn't.
 
Kiwi Rider said:
Well, I’m not there to look at it and run tests, but are you 100% sure the battery is fully charged and in good condition?
All the battery cable connections are clean and secure?
Is the starter motor pinion spline good condition and properly engaging with the idler gear?
Is the idler gear properly engaging with the starter clutch gear?
Is the starter clutch bolt secure and torqued?
Are the splines on the end of the crankshaft that engage the starter clutch in good condition?
So many things to look at and verify before ordering an expensive part such as a starter clutch.
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Okay today I charged the battery up to 12.8V which should be more than enough to turn the bike over. Went to start it and nothing again just whirring. The starter relay is pulling voltage across it when I hit the start button and everything is spinning. When I disassembled it yesterday all gears look okay and not worn/broken. The only thing I noticed was a little scrape on the back of the starter clutch. I am not 100% sure that would cause this whole issue but with everything else I've done I would like to assume that would be the culprit. The one thing I don't understand is if the starter clutch is only spinning one direction like it should, is there another sign I can check for that would for sure tell me it's bad? I'm running out of ideas.
 
TallTom said:
If you get too stuck, I'm across the bay. I'll try and lend a hand if I can. I can't drop what I'm doing but I'm close by and can at least guide you through a Hayabusa.
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You’re a good man
matthewaurand said:
Okay today I charged the battery up to 12.8V which should be more than enough to turn the bike over. Went to start it and nothing again just whirring. The starter relay is pulling voltage across it when I hit the start button and everything is spinning. When I disassembled it yesterday all gears look okay and not worn/broken. The only thing I noticed was a little scrape on the back of the starter clutch. I am not 100% sure that would cause this whole issue but with everything else I've done I would like to assume that would be the culprit. The one thing I don't understand is if the starter clutch is only spinning one direction like it should, is there another sign I can check for that would for sure tell me it's bad? I'm running out of ideas.
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why Don’t you remove the starter clutch and strip it and inspect it?
 
Have you tried disconnecting the clutch switch and jumping it with a jumper lead I chased a no start on my bike where I heard the solinoid click when i pushed the starter button however it wouldn't start if I shorted the starter it did start though (even though the old clutch switch showed continuity when I checked it, replaced switch and it worked fine.)
 
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