Medical marijuana....your thoughts?

The idea that anything Is taxed at a higher rate is B.S. Sin taxing is wrong. If I have health problems because of a choice I make it is my responsibility to handle my debt obligations not my neighbors. I pay for my health insurance and make my choices and pay the bill. This concept of having tax payers pay my health insurance is crap and against American value IMHO. When I quit smoking two years ago I didn't use the state run quit smoking get free patches crap because it's wasn't the tax payers fault that I started smoking and got addicted it was my fault, so I shouldered my costs and bought my patches and quit.

Also not sure if anyone has read this but everything out there in this world is bad for you and will cause health problems and cancer. So we should just tax the hell outa everything?
/rantoff.

Btw i don't smoke pot or do drugs. I hate even taking Advil. I do drink but maybe a beer every few nights it sip some good scotch. And for two years if not smoking I bought my Busa a comfortable gel seat as a present :).
 
Gpmo said:
The idea that anything Is taxed at a higher rate is B.S. Sin taxing is wrong. If I have health problems because of a choice I make it is my responsibility to handle my debt obligations not my neighbors. I pay for my health insurance and make my choices and pay the bill. This concept of having tax payers pay my health insurance is crap and against American value IMHO. When I quit smoking two years ago I didn't use the state run quit smoking get free patches crap because it's wasn't the tax payers fault that I started smoking and got addicted it was my fault, so I shouldered my costs and bought my patches and quit.

Also not sure if anyone has read this but everything out there in this world is bad for you and will cause health problems and cancer. So we should just tax the hell outa everything?
/rantoff.

Btw i don't smoke pot or do drugs. I hate even taking Advil. I do drink but maybe a beer every few nights it sip some good scotch. And for two years if not smoking I bought my Busa a comfortable gel seat as a present :).
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Unfortunately that is not the way that insurance works, especially in the health care industry. It is the same as if you decide to drop your bike 5 times in the garage and claim it on insurance each time, that causes my rates and everyone elses rates to go up because of YOUR poor choices. Even with this fact, insurance is better than self pay. I guarantee you that you have not payed enough into your health insurance to cover even one decent medical bill, not to mention the plethora of bills that most chronic conditions seem to accumulate. Heart failure, for example, costs a LOT of money on repeat hospitalizations.

Again, I understand what you are saying but you are oversimplifying things. Drugs, especially tobacco and alcohol, can be directly attributed to some serious health problems. The simple fact is is that drugs are a choice and not a necessity and when these choices carry significant risks - you should have to pay to play. Now if you wish to be so bold to SELF PAY on your medical visits then by all means, let your tobacco and alcohol be tax free.
 
Self pay is way better than insurance if you can afford it. Unfortunately most of us aren't that well to do. The insurance and medical costs are so retarded due to government involvement that self pay has become less practical.

I understand what you are saying it does make sense. But what doesn't it this idea that is if a group of people get together and decide that a certain item is bad that we have the right to control others from using it. By taxing the hell out of it. Maybe I should declare motorcycles as dangerous to health and get with some lobbyist to get taxes on motorcycles raised from straight state and sales taxes. I think we should be taxed at 60%. That sounds fair right? About what smokes are. In fact we should put together a comitee in the federal gov to decide what is good and bad for all people and either tax the items a lot or just lake them illegal. That we there is no choice to even make and we can all be happy and healthy.

On topic legalize pot and all other illicit drugs. Remove the gangs from the corners selling dope and killing our border police and maybe eachother over turf, place taxes let fiends OD spend the earned tax money on education and prevention. I know it's a fantasy world I have there isn't it.
 
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So my wife and I were flipping through stations and we stopped on a show called Weed Country. Its about medical marijuana rights etc. Please explain why you picked Yes or No.
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There was a time when "dope smokers" were looked down on...now they are the pillars of society....

I recall the medical people saying that marijuana killed brain cells and as most of it is smoked without filters, one marijuana cigarette is like smoking multiple regular filtered cigarettes...what about the long term health effects from this? What about second hand smoke especially for children....?

How the world is changing and not for the better....
 
Gpmo said:
I pay for my health insurance and make my choices and pay the bill. This concept of having tax payers pay my health insurance is crap and against American value IMHO.
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In the above comments, are you guys saying that sin taxes go to insurance companies to help cover medical expenses that are a result of using tobacco and alcohol?

Back in my home state of Michigan, pot is now legal for recreational use. I don't see a problem with it. If you want to use it, it's no worse than alcohol. I prefer not to smoke things so I don't see ever becoming a pot user. One thing though, cocaine now seems a little more socially acceptable even if it is illegal everywhere in the US. If you ask me, drink alcohol, smoke pot but but if you start doing coke, that's a huge step into dangerous substances. Not to mention the questionable contents of any illegal drug, I'm not sure it's possible to use them responsibly. I hear young people today talking about meth the way we used to talk about pot. Meth is definitely a dangerous substance and it should never be legal. I'd say we should draw the line at marijuana and leave it at that.
 
Mythos said:
In the above comments, are you guys saying that sin taxes go to insurance companies to help cover medical expenses that are a result of using tobacco and alcohol?

Back in my home state of Michigan, pot is now legal for recreational use. I don't see a problem with it. If you want to use it, it's no worse than alcohol. I prefer not to smoke things so I don't see ever becoming a pot user. One thing though, cocaine now seems a little more socially acceptable even if it is illegal everywhere in the US. If you ask me, drink alcohol, smoke pot but but if you start doing coke, that's a huge step into dangerous substances. Not to mention the questionable contents of any illegal drug, I'm not sure it's possible to use them responsibly. I hear young people today talking about meth the way we used to talk about pot. Meth is definitely a dangerous substance and it should never be legal. I'd say we should draw the line at marijuana and leave it at that.
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Hell, they used to put cocaine in Coke soft drinks....if we are talking about something socially accepted..

It is legal here and there are dispensaries everywhere, families are allowed to grow 5 plants per household as well.

I know of a neighbor who smokes it on a regular basis, his neighbor beside him is finding there are days he can't sit outside on his deck because the prevailing winds blow the pot smoke right at him and his family. He talked to his neighbor and he told him it's his property and his right and wasn't his problem the wind is blowing it into his property...

What I didn't get with the legalizing of marijuana is there was a huge anti-smoking push to curb people from smoking...now they can just smoke pot instead with zero filtering....
 
Mythos said:
In the above comments, are you guys saying that sin taxes go to insurance companies to help cover medical expenses that are a result of using tobacco and alcohol?

Back in my home state of Michigan, pot is now legal for recreational use. I don't see a problem with it. If you want to use it, it's no worse than alcohol. I prefer not to smoke things so I don't see ever becoming a pot user. One thing though, cocaine now seems a little more socially acceptable even if it is illegal everywhere in the US. If you ask me, drink alcohol, smoke pot but but if you start doing coke, that's a huge step into dangerous substances. Not to mention the questionable contents of any illegal drug, I'm not sure it's possible to use them responsibly. I hear young people today talking about meth the way we used to talk about pot. Meth is definitely a dangerous substance and it should never be legal. I'd say we should draw the line at marijuana and leave it at that.
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The Feds are finally getting around to legalizing weed. Thankfully it will be removed from that ridiculous category that crack, heroin and cocaine are in. The current levels of THC in weed are astronomical compared to the weed of yesteryear. Jim Belushi has a farm in Oregon that seems to be a real money maker.
 
WuzzaCBXRider said:
The current levels of THC in weed are astronomical compared to the weed of yesteryear. Jim Belushi has a farm in Oregon that seems to be a real money maker.
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Tommy Chong must be a pot expert on some level. He thinks pot today is the same as it's ever been. From some of the pictures I've seen of modern pot, it sure doesn't look like old school pot.

Yes, I know people are starting CBD/smoke shops in anticipation of pot being legalized and I'll bet those people are going to be very successful in a short time. The pot market is probably a very good investment.
 
Mythos said:
Tommy Chong must be a pot expert on some level. He thinks pot today is the same as it's ever been. From some of the pictures I've seen of modern pot, it sure doesn't look like old school pot.

Yes, I know people are starting CBD/smoke shops in anticipation of pot being legalized and I'll bet those people are going to be very successful in a short time. The pot market is probably a very good investment.
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Well, if he smoked nothing but afghani weed, Humboldt bud, Thai sticks or Maui Wowie, then he may be right. Most smokers back then though couldn’t afford or get access to the good stuff. I imagine Cheech and Chong always had the best weed.
 
For some people smoking / eating pot is the lesser of two evils. CBDs on the other hand are showing promise in some cases. When looking at the brain scans of pot smokers under the analytical expertise of Dr Amen whom has been doing brain scans and reading them for about 30 years one thing is clear.

Guess what it is? A four minute video was the shortest I could find from another doctor regarding the differences between pot and alcohol.

 
WuzzaCBXRider said:
Well, if he smoked nothing but afghani weed, Humboldt bud, Thai sticks or Maui Wowie, then he may be right. Most smokers back then though couldn’t afford or get access to the good stuff. I imagine Cheech and Chong always had the best weed.
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It's kind of unusual for someone who has been smoking pot since the 70s to not know the difference in potency from that time as compared to now.

Thai sticks were one or two drags back in the 70s and cost about $100 a piece. Don't ask me how I know!
 
Different strokes for different folks for me I don’t drink or smoke ,I have seen what drugs do my son died from overdose of drugs at the age of 34. My x wife
still does pot . I rather ride my motorcycle . Just an old fart . Below is a pic of my son on two of my motorcycles one at 18 and at 5 years old .

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kim windsor said:
Different strokes for different folks for me I don’t drink or smoke ,I have seen what drugs do my son died from overdose of drugs at the age of 34. My x wife
still does pot . I rather ride my motorcycle . Just an old fart . Below is a pic of my son on two of my motorcycles one at 18 and at 5 years old .

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Sorry for your loss. Which drug was the cause of the OD?
 
I commented a while back but if I didn't say it then, I'll say it now: drugs are the way we do and will live better and that doesn't mean just for those of us who are ill. Drugs can make an able bodied person even better and if you can afford those drugs, you should take them so you can enjoy a better life.
 
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