Moral Decay in our society

Actualy Dolphins will have Homosexual experiences. Its how Dolphins "Bond" with each other.. they even try it on Humans.... lol, thats some sick poop but its true.

Do what you like.. but the second you try and get me in on the poop is the second i smack you.....Also, if it does not Harm Nature or kill endangered animals then im all for it.... lol

SAVE THE WHALEs!!!!!!!
 
people should be alowed to do what they want..   and Live how you want to live, just as long as you dont harm others or the wild life.
This is the view I said dictated "intellectual barbarism and moral cannibalism".  To prove my point, the same person that espouses the above gives us this nugget of wisdom:

Screw them, Omish people suck anyways[/QUOTE]

Umm.. Amish? Ahh, never mind, nothing to see here...  
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I am a homophobe. I was almost raped twice as a child.

at 16 I was a street kid and had to stab one with an old butcher knife I had tied to a broom handle.

I lived in a large cardboard box under the global moving and storage companies warehouse here in Pensacola florida.

I was skinny and could crawl under easy but lived in constant fear. this guy who had made advances before tripped my fishing line / tin can warning system and I could see him coming at me from the little bit of ambient light.

he failed to stop when warned many times so I thrust the knife on the stick as hard as I could and think i got his neck. I never knew if he died or what but there was a long blood trail to the woods and I moved to a drainage ditch 1/2 mile away.

I just get the willies [ shakes ] every time I am around one and would very much over react if they even touch me.
 
Hey guys...it's wrong according to your beliefs...it's also wrong to put an entire portion of the population in some bubble based on how it makes you feel...

...but, everyone's entitled to their own opinion...good thing, huh?
not sure I agree with that, normal does has a definition and I dont think how we feel defines it, remember we are all governed by nature, meaning nature determines what is normal and what is not, not us. all acts of sex are done with opposing sexes(X & Y), only the earthworm has no sex or is asexual, the rest of nature uses a male and a female, even plants.

so is same sex normal? I would think not, nature dont accept it, why should humans? wouldnt you think it was odd if you saw two male horses going at it? dogs? pretty funny I would think, and people would shake their heads and say "somthin wrong with those animals"

humans are animals too so we are no exception to the rule.
fact is the "only" reason for opposite sexes(male and female)is so there can be sex, nothing more nothing less.

I hear "gays" or whatever you want to call them say, "its not about sex, I'm gay"  "its a lifestyle"  "I was born this way" I dont buy it, its all about choices, just like drug addictions, child abuse, rape, murder, overeating, smoking, jaywalking, speeding, etc... choices IMO "gay lifestyles" are no more than a sexual preference, wrong or right.

there has to come a time when people need to question weather or not their choices are normal, proper, or genuinely accepted by society as a whole, then decide weather or not its worth the embarrasement or harrasement. there are people that like to have sex with animals? could someone be born with the desire to have sex with animals? is that normal? will that become the next sexual desire society has to learn to get used to? should children be exposed to this type of behavior? possibly be adopted by a man and a horse?

so when people say they feel opposite sex is wrong or not normal, its not them who are in the bubble, rather its the "gay" that fails to open the doors to the possibility of a normal sexual relationship that lives in a bubble.
My point is that individuals can't state, with absolution, that something is wrong based solely on the way it makes them feel, or the way it clashes with their own moral values...when you do so, you are assuming the role of moral dictator, so to speak.  There have been plenty of moral dictators in the world throughout history, and their final demise wasn't quite the Eutopia they'd envisioned...it's as if you've discovered something that you feel compelled to spread around the world, whether we all agree with it or not.  You don't have the answers, you only have opinions...

It's perfectly okay to say that you don't agree with homosexuality, that it's offensive, that it makes you angry...but, you can't say it's wrong...you can say you think it's wrong...but I don't think everyone appreciates someone stating for everyone that "it's wrong"...well, I'll just say that I don't appreciate it and not speak for anyone other than myself.

Look at it this way.  We can all agree that being an axe murderer is wrong.  We can all agree that abusing a child is wrong.  Setting fire to someone's home is wrong...on and on...those acts are inflicting harm on someone, and I think that most of society agrees with the fact that those things are not acceptable.

To state that being gay is wrong can only represent your own opinions.  Sure, it's agreed with my many...hell, it's agreed with by the masses, but having someone just flat out make the statement that being gay is wrong or is a sin signifies only one thing to me - that's your opinion.  You certainly wouldn't be allowed to stand in front of millions and preach to them that it's wrong.  When asked why, what would you say?  Because I think so?  Every bit of evidence you would conjur up would be based on your own religious and moral beliefs; beliefs not held by everyone.  It wouldn't work...

Funny thing about this is that most things that we do with our spouses in the privacy of our own homes is illegal...whether we all think it is or not, the law states that certain acts aren't allowed.  Would you want me to stand up and state that what you and your spouse do is wrong?  Because I think so?  Because my religion says so?  Because it just makes me feel funny to know about it?  It just doesn't work...

It boils down to your own set of morals, your background, your upbringing, your experiences (use2b), and that's all fine and well...unless it's inflicting pain on someone, it's up to them to follow whatever life they choose to lead as long as it's not harming others...

If society allowed opinions to dictate morality, I suppose some states would still embrace slavery because they saw nothing wrong with it...I suppose women wouldn't be able to vote or hold jobs because they're inferior to men...I suppose the KKK would actually have a vote in whether or not non-whites are allowed to live and prosper in this country...think that's all over the top?  I don't...if certain people or groups of people sat in judgement over all, like those mentioned above, the world would be a very different place.  Opinions cannot judge where the path of society goes.  Inflicting pain and misery on others or using people to gain your own greatness isn't allowed and is wrong...putting segments of society in a bubble because you think what they do is wrong is very wrong...

...I'd sure hate to see any of you that feel so strongly against homosexuality ever have to face someone in your own family struggling with it.  I have a sibling that did so, and let me tell you that it wasn't easy to cope with, it wasn't easy to work through, it wasn't easy to accept...but, I am not God, nor am I better than this sibling to sit in judgement and say "you're just wrong"...

use2b...your feelings are completely understood and I don't mean to minimalize anything you said.  What does come to mind when you told of your experiences is that plenty of us have stories to tell.  Some might involve someone of the same sex doing something to us, and some might involve the opposite sex...child abuse is wrong...taking advantage of children is wrong...attacking anyone with intention to do harm is wrong...
 
Hey guys...it's wrong according to your beliefs...it's also wrong to put an entire portion of the population in some bubble based on how it makes you feel...

...but, everyone's entitled to their own opinion...good thing, huh?
not sure I agree with that, normal does has a definition and I dont think how we feel defines it, remember we are all governed by nature, meaning nature determines what is normal and what is not, not us. all acts of sex are done with opposing sexes(X & Y), only the earthworm has no sex or is asexual, the rest of nature uses a male and a female, even plants.

so is same sex normal? I would think not, nature dont accept it, why should humans? wouldnt you think it was odd if you saw two male horses going at it? dogs? pretty funny I would think, and people would shake their heads and say "somthin wrong with those animals"

humans are animals too so we are no exception to the rule.
fact is the "only" reason for opposite sexes(male and female)is so there can be sex, nothing more nothing less.

I hear "gays" or whatever you want to call them say, "its not about sex, I'm gay"  "its a lifestyle"  "I was born this way" I dont buy it, its all about choices, just like drug addictions, child abuse, rape, murder, overeating, smoking, jaywalking, speeding, etc... choices IMO "gay lifestyles" are no more than a sexual preference, wrong or right.

there has to come a time when people need to question weather or not their choices are normal, proper, or genuinely accepted by society as a whole, then decide weather or not its worth the embarrasement or harrasement. there are people that like to have sex with animals? could someone be born with the desire to have sex with animals? is that normal? will that become the next sexual desire society has to learn to get used to? should children be exposed to this type of behavior? possibly be adopted by a man and a horse?

so when people say they feel opposite sex is wrong or not normal, its not them who are in the bubble, rather its the "gay" that fails to open the doors to the possibility of a normal sexual relationship that lives in a bubble.
My point is that individuals can't state, with absolution, that something is wrong based solely on the way it makes them feel, or the way it clashes with their own moral values...when you do so, you are assuming the role of moral dictator, so to speak.  There have been plenty of moral dictators in the world throughout history, and their final demise wasn't quite the Eutopia they'd envisioned...it's as if you've discovered something that you feel compelled to spread around the world, whether we all agree with it or not.  You don't have the answers, you only have opinions...

It's perfectly okay to say that you don't agree with homosexuality, that it's offensive, that it makes you angry...but, you can't say it's wrong...you can say you think it's wrong...but I don't think everyone appreciates someone stating for everyone that "it's wrong"...well, I'll just say that I don't appreciate it and not speak for anyone other than myself.

Look at it this way.  We can all agree that being an axe murderer is wrong.  We can all agree that abusing a child is wrong.  Setting fire to someone's home is wrong...on and on...those acts are inflicting harm on someone, and I think that most of society agrees with the fact that those things are not acceptable.

To state that being gay is wrong can only represent your own opinions.  Sure, it's agreed with my many...hell, it's agreed with by the masses, but having someone just flat out make the statement that being gay is wrong or is a sin signifies only one thing to me - that's your opinion.  You certainly wouldn't be allowed to stand in front of millions and preach to them that it's wrong.  When asked why, what would you say?  Because I think so?  Every bit of evidence you would conjur up would be based on your own religious and moral beliefs; beliefs not held by everyone.  It wouldn't work...

Funny thing about this is that most things that we do with our spouses in the privacy of our own homes is illegal...whether we all think it is or not, the law states that certain acts aren't allowed.  Would you want me to stand up and state that what you and your spouse do is wrong?  Because I think so?  Because my religion says so?  Because it just makes me feel funny to know about it?  It just doesn't work...

It boils down to your own set of morals, your background, your upbringing, your experiences (use2b), and that's all fine and well...unless it's inflicting pain on someone, it's up to them to follow whatever life they choose to lead as long as it's not harming others...

If society allowed opinions to dictate morality, I suppose some states would still embrace slavery because they saw nothing wrong with it...I suppose women wouldn't be able to vote or hold jobs because they're inferior to men...I suppose the KKK would actually have a vote in whether or not non-whites are allowed to live and prosper in this country...think that's all over the top?  I don't...if certain people or groups of people sat in judgement over all, like those mentioned above, the world would be a very different place.  Opinions cannot judge where the path of society goes.  Inflicting pain and misery on others or using people to gain your own greatness isn't allowed and is wrong...putting segments of society in a bubble because you think what they do is wrong is very wrong...

...I'd sure hate to see any of you that feel so strongly against homosexuality ever have to face someone in your own family struggling with it.  I have a sibling that did so, and let me tell you that it wasn't easy to cope with, it wasn't easy to work through, it wasn't easy to accept...but, I am not God, nor am I better than this sibling to sit in judgement and say "you're just wrong"...

use2b...your feelings are completely understood and I don't mean to minimalize anything you said.  What does come to mind when you told of your experiences is that plenty of us have stories to tell.  Some might involve someone of the same sex doing something to us, and some might involve the opposite sex...child abuse is wrong...taking advantage of children is wrong...attacking anyone with intention to do harm is wrong...
VaBusa, you probably summed this up better than anyone did. This was the best examples I've read on this issue so far. BTW, you would make a great Civil lawyer. Now would that be considered a compliment or something else..
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VaBusa, you probably summed this up better than anyone did.  This was the best examples I've read on this issue so far.  BTW, you would make a great Civil lawyer.  Now would that be considered a compliment or something else..
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Thanks Brian...embarrassed to admit this, but the subject was on my mind all night.  I'm one of those that always has opinions on things said here, but I don't enjoy the pissing contests, so I lay back and let everyone else battle it out...

A Civil lawyer, huh?  Hrmmm...not too sure about that one, but I do enjoy writing!  
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Thanks for your comment though...now I'll brace for the backlash...  
 
What would I say? I say look at the obvious: put a male and a female on a deserted island, don't teach them anything and let nature take it's course. I bet they figure out how it works. Look at the parts: compare a man to a fish, the man has no gills and can't breath underwater, the fish has no feet and can't buy expensive shoes. They have thier place and know what their parts are for. Things are designed [or accidently evolved if you will] with specific purposes in mind. Why would ANYONE walk IN thru a door clearly labeled "Garbage OUT"? Maybe it 'feels' good... so does smoking pot, getting drunk, screwing [raping??] women, maybe murder feels good [don't know never tried it] but becuase it feels good TO ME, that does't make it right. It's wrong. Are gays and lesbians fighting for rights to exsist equally part of an evolution of mankind? Not until they start consistantly breeding gay from birth as a third sex type. Therefore it's just a confused manmade thing... like redefining murder to no longer be wrong.

*** Disclaimer: I ought to do this cuz I'm very opinionated.
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The opinions reflected above do not represent the owners or managers of this board and are not aimed or intended to harm anyone live or fictional, are simply statements of 'opinions' from one guy and in no way detract from his opinions of ANYONE here nor reduce his interest in Hayabusa riding. All objections allowed, embraced and respected. I'm having fun exercising my brain... maybe at your expense. Relax, chill, and jump in.
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Someone just sent me this. Is there anything 'wrong' going on here? If so, why?

Cannibalism Trial Under Way in Germany
Aired December 8, 2003 - 17:00:00 ET
ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: A disturbing tale. Germans hear a first-hand account from the cannibal next door, a 42-year- old computer expert who openly admits he killed a man from Berlin and then ate him. Defense attorneys say he's innocent of murder because his victim volunteered.

It's all about the removing the boundries of right and wrong which is what we are talking about... hiding the removal process behind personal choice or freedom.

Again, my opinons, whip me how ever ya like.
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Hey WWJD - as I said in one of my other posts, I personally have beaten this horse to death. totally agree with you bro, but remember Mat 7:6 then reference Rev 13:9

I personally am now focusing all my attention on the Feb 8th ride.. Muah ha ha

Which by the way, for anyone that is going.. have to let you all know I popped my left knee 3 days ago, killing me like a you know what. I have had 2 therapy treatments using cortisone . It is still stiff and sore. And I have an 11 hour car ride to get to Arizona leaing in the AM (THAAAAT should be good for the knee lol)

I still plan on showing up for the ride, but not sure how much my knee can take. The drag is to be pain free I have to take drugs, but I am not going to take any drugs riding a motorcycle. So I am probably going to be in some pain on Sunday. Depending on how much pain will dictate on how long I am going to be able to ride for.

Hopefully it will be all good and I will be fine.
 
Someone just sent me this.  Is there anything 'wrong' going on here?  If so, why?

Cannibalism Trial Under Way in Germany
Aired December 8, 2003 - 17:00:00   ET
ROSEMARY CHURCH, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: A disturbing tale. Germans hear a first-hand account from the cannibal next door, a 42-year- old computer expert who openly admits he killed a man from Berlin and then ate him. Defense attorneys say he's innocent of murder because his victim volunteered.

It's all about the removing the boundries of right and wrong which is what we are talking about... hiding the removal process behind personal choice or freedom.

Again, my opinons, whip me how ever ya like.  
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Uh, yeah WWJD...someone's causing physical harm to someone else...it's a no brainer to me...

Is there some homosexual overtone with that case? Is that why you bring it up? 'Cause I know that heterosexual people rape and murder too...for fun...yeah, it's wrong...but it's wrong because of the act of killing someone...not because the guy was homosexual...

Yeah...beating a dead horse...we'll all just agree to disagree...I can handle that...
 
wait! the dead horse whinnied! hahaha no, I know what you all mean. the example was to point out how 'wrong' gets changed into, "eh... well, not SO wrong" to "no big deal" to "free boob-tv for kids!!" if enough people decide volentary canniblism IS ok, they just changed a wrong to a right, but it is still wrong.
But: "....it all happened so slowly that most men failed to realize that anything had happened at all."
 
Who you callin a dead horse!!!! oh wait, I guess it is better than being called a live Jack A....... well you know what I mean (snicker snicker snicker)
 
Wow you guys are bored or what?I cant wait till summer to ride!!!!!  
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Hahaha funny. we slept with windows wide open the last 2 nights and I still needed the ceiling fan over my bed.

surfers are at the beach and a few sun bathers.

load up the bike and come on down. plenty of Mich. tags here already
 
My point is that individuals can't state, with absolution, that something is wrong based solely on the way it makes them feel, or the way it clashes with their own moral values...when you do so, you are assuming the role of moral dictator, so to speak.  There have been plenty of moral dictators in the world throughout history, and their final demise wasn't quite the Eutopia they'd envisioned...it's as if you've discovered something that you feel compelled to spread around the world, whether we all agree with it or not.  You don't have the answers, you only have opinions...

It's perfectly okay to say that you don't agree with homosexuality, that it's offensive, that it makes you angry...but, you can't say it's wrong...you can say you think it's wrong...but I don't think everyone appreciates someone stating for everyone that "it's wrong"...well, I'll just say that I don't appreciate it and not speak for anyone other than myself.

Look at it this way.  We can all agree that being an axe murderer is wrong.  We can all agree that abusing a child is wrong.  Setting fire to someone's home is wrong...on and on...those acts are inflicting harm on someone, and I think that most of society agrees with the fact that those things are not acceptable.

To state that being gay is wrong can only represent your own opinions.  Sure, it's agreed with my many...hell, it's agreed with by the masses, but having someone just flat out make the statement that being gay is wrong or is a sin signifies only one thing to me - that's your opinion.  You certainly wouldn't be allowed to stand in front of millions and preach to them that it's wrong.  When asked why, what would you say?  Because I think so?  Every bit of evidence you would conjur up would be based on your own religious and moral beliefs; beliefs not held by everyone.  It wouldn't work...

Funny thing about this is that most things that we do with our spouses in the privacy of our own homes is illegal...whether we all think it is or not, the law states that certain acts aren't allowed.  Would you want me to stand up and state that what you and your spouse do is wrong?  Because I think so?  Because my religion says so?  Because it just makes me feel funny to know about it?  It just doesn't work...

It boils down to your own set of morals, your background, your upbringing, your experiences (use2b), and that's all fine and well...unless it's inflicting pain on someone, it's up to them to follow whatever life they choose to lead as long as it's not harming others...

If society allowed opinions to dictate morality, I suppose some states would still embrace slavery because they saw nothing wrong with it...I suppose women wouldn't be able to vote or hold jobs because they're inferior to men...I suppose the KKK would actually have a vote in whether or not non-whites are allowed to live and prosper in this country...think that's all over the top?  I don't...if certain people or groups of people sat in judgement over all, like those mentioned above, the world would be a very different place.  Opinions cannot judge where the path of society goes.  Inflicting pain and misery on others or using people to gain your own greatness isn't allowed and is wrong...putting segments of society in a bubble because you think what they do is wrong is very wrong...

...I'd sure hate to see any of you that feel so strongly against homosexuality ever have to face someone in your own family struggling with it.  I have a sibling that did so, and let me tell you that it wasn't easy to cope with, it wasn't easy to work through, it wasn't easy to accept...but, I am not God, nor am I better than this sibling to sit in judgement and say "you're just wrong"...

use2b...your feelings are completely understood and I don't mean to minimalize anything you said.  What does come to mind when you told of your experiences is that plenty of us have stories to tell.  Some might involve someone of the same sex doing something to us, and some might involve the opposite sex...child abuse is wrong...taking advantage of children is wrong...attacking anyone with intention to do harm is wrong...
I dont agree or disagree with homosexuality, I do however disassociate myself with it, meaning, I stay away from it.

not my point though, a male deciding to have sex with another male isnt a moral decidsion, its a sexual decision, two men can live together and not have sex, normal!

its the "sex" part of it thats "unnatural" and I am not talking about an "affair" or "cheating" on your spouse, that would be an immoral decision. the decision to have sex with the same gender is a sexual preference or a conscious decision not a moral delemma.

having sex with the opposite sex is wrong because it is totally against all that nature teaches and shows us, its against the "laws of nature". you could however prove me wrong by showing me that a woman can get another woman pregnant, or a man can get a man pregnant.

because its 2004 does not change who we are or what we are, we are human animals here on earth, and we survive through the hands of nature, without nature we would not have the ability to reproduce, we would not survive without nature. humans survive through reproduction, nature provides the water, food and oxygen needed to sustain life.

spitting in the face of nature and saying you're something other than what you really are does not mean you're normal, it only means you you have failed to accept who and what you really are. trying to convince others its a normal part of life is just denial.

if being a homosexual or lesbian is normal, then if 1000 years ago EVERY man and woman on this earth were gay and only had sex with "same sex partners". it would have been considered normal?

BTW, no one gets hurt having sex with animals, however people do die in and out of gay communities by the transmission of AIDs, so using your logic, having sex with animals could be considered more normal than having sex with your own gender?

I dont have any quarrels with gays, as long as they dont try to feed me some BS like its normal or just an alternative lifestyle everyone should accept? whats alternative about it? alternative lifestyle would be tranvestiant, cross dressing, bisexual, being gay is being gay, its a gay lifestyle, nothing alternative about it, I suppose trannies and cross dressers will be teaching our students in the future? maybe a fecalfeliac, or someone into other alternative lifestyles like beastiality?

no matter how you stack it up, having sex with your own gender is not normal...
 
Hey WWJD - as I said in one of my other posts, I personally have beaten this horse to death. totally agree with you bro, but remember Mat 7:6 then reference Rev 13:9

I personally am now focusing all my attention on the Feb 8th ride.. Muah ha ha

Which by the way, for anyone that is going.. have to let you all know I popped my left knee 3 days ago, killing me like a you know what. I have had 2 therapy treatments using cortisone . It is still stiff and sore. And I have an 11 hour car ride to get to Arizona leaing in the AM (THAAAAT should be good for the knee lol)

I still plan on showing up for the ride, but not sure how much my knee can take. The drag is to be pain free I have to take drugs, but I am not going to take any drugs riding a motorcycle. So I am probably going to be in some pain on Sunday. Depending on how much pain will dictate on how long I am going to be able to ride for.

Hopefully it will be all good and I will be fine.
YIKEES!

Hope you feel better Ron!!

Don't worry, we'll take it easy on ya!
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Just to wrap this mess up...

(or maybe to stir it up)

Anyone read the paper lately?

Mass-a-chew-tax just leglaized gay marriages. I guess it is OK now (said with intense sarcastic tone of voice).
 
Well good!! Mass-a-chew-tax people can just have sex with the same gender and eventually the population there will dwindle to nothing and then the rest of the world can go about being normal. And we can take over the state when there is no one else there woo hooo
 
Well good!!  Mass-a-chew-tax people can just have sex with the same gender and eventually the population there will dwindle to nothing and then the rest of the world can go about being normal. And we can take over the state when there is no one else there woo hooo
A man after my own thoughts!

I have the same opinion about drugs. Legalize them. Fill up a tractor trailer with crack and go park it outside the welfare building and give it away free. As much as they want.

Problems solved and clean up the human gene pool at the same time. (Boy am I going to get shiznit for this or what?)

Disclaimer - I am not aginst welfare for those folks deserving or in need. I was on welfare myself when I was in college with a wife and 2 kids. Only for 3 months and I paid back every cent they gave me.
 
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