Justintime2, and you can tell me you can spot check the difference in a blind test under a controlled environment, or how about a double-blind test? Yup, the report I read on cables was done under a double-blind test condition. For those of you not familar with statistics, that means the neither the test subjects NOR the proctor knew which machine was hooked up with the expensive cables.
Back to the subject of oils: Read my original posting AGAIN, it's "motocycle" oil vs. car oil, not dino vs. syn. There is not an once of doubt that syn is superior over dino, in vescosity longivity. A "motorcycle" syn or syn-blend will of coarse beat out the dino car oil. So lets compare apple to apples and dino to dino or syn to syn. Obviously, some of you posted your retort WITHOUT even reading the articles of the two links, especially the one that THE ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC research in measurement of oil integrity between 2 syn (car and moto) and two dino (car and moto). If you did, then you can't deny the numbers, and the numbers said that even the Castro GTX CAR Oil even beat out the supposed moto syn-blend stuff. Read further, it even details how the test oils were sent for an scientific oil analysis to see what "wear and tear" did each of the 4 oils contain... Ironically, the analysis was done by a Motocycle oil company that can't even say that based on the analysis that their 'motorcycle" oil was better.
READ IT, I mean really really READ IT. And weep. Dispite what you think, it's psychological. You're in a state of post-purchase dissonance, especially since you just paid $7 / qt of oil and you don't want to be told you've overspend. It's natural to defend one's own decision. By the way, my background is in Marketing, and yes, in school and in some parts of my earlier work, we've studied and practiced to capture... I hate to say sucker, so let's just say unwitty consumers such as yourselves. Go back and read what you've all wrote in response to my offer of the hard truth! Not only are you unwitty consumers, you are perfect consumers, you are so loyal to these companies that sold you overpriced oil, you're willing to verbally attack and try to put down a fellow rider (that has nothing to gain!) that offers you the concrete, sciencetific based numbers.
I'm no genius, but there is a professor at a certain California State University that did some very meticulous tests on what seems to me to be with unbias approach, and like it or not, the results are in.
Think you can actually tell the difference? How about one of you that is so certain about your golden oil conduct a double-blind test as mentioned above??
It's very simple, takes three people and a bike, or maybe even just two (then it will be just a blind test). One person will go buy a 10-40w oil, regardless of "motorcycle" or car, but it must be of the same blend that you've been used to (dino, syn-blend or full-syn), this buyer will then pour the 3.5 qt into a non-descriptive container, so no one but the buyer will know whether it's car oil or "motorcycle" oil. And the tester will do a regular oil change using that new oil in the non-descriptive container.
See if the tester can tell the difference.
Who's ballzy enough to take this blind test??
You have a fair Point, sorry if it sounded like an attack, and yeah I went south with my Synthetic tangent... my Bad...
However, I did read the articles, I have read many others like them. This argument has been going on for years and years, and it's not going to get solved here. What I learned after going through web-page after web page, and reading article after article is that although 20 years ago there may have been a significant difference between Bike or car oils, there may not be as much of a difference now. This is true when we are talking about Viscosity retention, shear resistance, and heat tolerance. However, what bike oils still possess that car oils do not are higher levels of anti-friction, anti-acid, and anti-wear compounds that are no longer allowed in Automotive oils due to emission restrictions. Maybe no point to them, maybe there is a point.
Now if I get a chance this weekend I will scan and post the Sport-Rider Oil Tests conducted awhile back, they look deeper into the properties of modern oils than either of the two links you provided. Of course something that is universally true is understanding the Motives/reasons behind "Scientific Research" conducted to prove this or that. If said researcher goes into a "test" trying to prove that Bike and Automotive oils are the same, that is what he his likely to find. It's not a new concept, finding the motivation, or the money behind the research is frequently enlightening...
In regards to your Synth VS Dino oil Challenge I say I already did it. I did not buy $12 a liter Silkolene oil blindly, hell $12 for a freaking liter of oil... WTF? I looked at some test results, read the "Fancy Packaging" and I was pretty damned skeptical. I don't buy hype; I buy products with a skeptical eye, with a "we'll see" attitude. So your comment about I hate to say sucker, so let's just say unwitty consumers such as yourselves.[/QUOTE] is not only insulting it's simply untrue. Do the Majority of American's buy into the Marketing bullshit we are constantly insulted/assaulted by, well yeah, but as a blanket statement your well off the mark and do not assume that because you have a "Marketing Background" you are somehow gifted with special insight or purchasing Savvy, though it does take guts to admit to such a background...
Anyway, like I said I was pretty damned skeptical that I would be able to notice ANY difference when changing from dino oil to the Silkolene. I took a quick ride get some heat into the oil and was paying particular attention to sounds and feel. I replaced the dino oil with the Silkolene and went out again. The minute I started the bike I got a raised eyebrow.... Hmmm, the valve train was a little quieter... Still not sure, I back out of the garage and roll out. The minute I started working through the gears I was completely floored. It felt like my tranny had been to the gunsmiths and gotten an action job. It felt and continues to feel like a different tranny. Perfect smooth shifts, accompanied by a lighter actuation and a perfect snick snick... OK, now I was impressed, I was expecting no change and instead got a very significant one. However, the claim I was most skeptical of was the "Increases Horsepower" claim, I am thinking yeah...heard that promise before...Anyone remember slick 50? But, I will tell you that the Busa truly does feel more powerful, significantly? NO, but something I could feel in the lightness of the front end under full throttle... SOTP dyno estimate, 3-4 H.P. Do I sound misguided? Am I just trying to feel better about buying way pricey oil? Do I own stock in Fuchs/Silkolene? I don't think so, was my little comparison "scientific" no, but were there distinct before and after differences? Yes... felt them witnessed them first hand...
Anyway, I just went on another Synthetic tangent here, my bad... But hell, what do you expect from a "unwitty consumer"? Which, after thinking about it is a really shitty lil jab at the board members here, and yeah I'm pissed. So uh… to be more direct, FUG you...
