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Actually Ricky Gadson turned a 9.99 on a ZX9R with weights on the front axle, uncorrected. Kent Kunisugo {spelling} turned a 9.99 on a totally stock ZX9R but that was a corrected run {Sportrider Magazine} which makes for what a ideal run would be at sealevel with optimum weather conditions. Also a little known fact that was not publicized at the time was that Billy Vose of pro-mod dragbike fame turned a 9.98 on a stock 1990 ZX11C. He keep this quite because he was racing this bike for money and didnt want it to get out.
 
I almost forgot , he did tie down the front end but thats still impressive for a 1990 bike I think. You find Billy Vose hanging around at Dragbike.coms forum.
 
Yes the Hayabusa was the first stock bike in the 9's in several of the mags I have - or so they say during the write-up. I believe CycleWorld was one of them. Are you guys going to make me dig out my mags tonight?!
 
Still asleep FC?! Did you ever go back and read the thread you were so mixed up on yet?!

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Falcon,you make it sound like it is impossible for kawi to make horsepower that will rival the Hayabusa.I think you should be worried about the horsepower ,the Kawi may make.They have been at the top or near it since 1970 with the 900 bikes.Remember,they have delayed the zx-12 twice now as they want desperately to be king of speed again.Any one of the big four can make 200 horse @ the crank if they wanted.It's easy as all the power is in the heads,but why should they jump right to that.These companies know what they are doing for the bottom line for them is to make money.Kawasaki is downplaying the bike because if they came out and said it was one of the quickest two bikes on the planet,insurance companies would take a very close look at these bikes,and noone wants that! They would want to put horsepower restrictions on almost all street bikes and they have actually done something similar with wave runners.Another member said it best a few days ago..."Competition improves the breed", and this is great for all of us.Another thing to note is that Kawasaki builds a lot more than bikes. They also build planes so they know an awful lot about aerodynamics and ram air.While I am not crazy about that big air dam protruding from under the fairing,it is there for a very good reason and you will see other bikes do similiar things in the future as current designs do not work very well.It will be interesting to see the numbers the bike puts down when compared to the susuki on the same day.For the record,I will be buying the zx-12 or the hayabusa(love its looks),depending on its performance.For other members reading this,a zx-9 was the first production bike to go 9's bone stock.The #'s you see(182 hp which remains to be seen)are at the crank and without ram air which adds about 10%.You can generally take 10-15% off crank horsepower to get rear wheel horsepower which of course is approximate.
 
If the ZX-9 was the first stock bike in the 9's (and I'm not saying it wasn't) it sure must have been an isolated incident since I have read several print magazines/online mags that report the Busa to be the first stock bike they have tested in the 9's. Cycleworld 6/99 wrote "the Hayabusa set a new CW record at the dragstrip, becoming the first production motorcyle to break into the nines with a 9.86-second pass at 146 mph. [It was 145.80]
And it didn't require a Ricky Gadson to do it either.
 
That appears to be a different shade of green than we are used to seeing from Kaw?
Perhaps it's the lighting. If Motorcyclist would send my issue already I could compare to the actual image this was scanned from.
I think I would be folded like an accordian on the 12 judging from the side shot. Appears to be a pretty compact package considering 1200cc. The R1 does the same to me.

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Wronglane ,,you may be right ??,,But the way things look zx-12 is gonna be a wheelie prone contraption. with Questionable Areodynamics,,those lil (winglets are Cheese)

Busa Pride I Guess ??

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Officialy, by the motorcycle magazine community that is, the 1998 ZX9 was the first production bike in the 9s, corrected et which means that on the bourd it registerd in the low 10s. The Hayabusa has turned high 9s also corrected in Cycle World and Motorcycle consumer news but on managed 10.30s at Motorcyclist magazine. Since the magazines onlt list corrected ets we have no way of knowing what these bikes actually ran on the dat they did their tests. The mags used to show corrected and uncorrected times years ago but list that info any more.One thing is for sure and that is very few people can match the magazine times in all actuality.
 
SportRider june 1998. ZX9 runs 9.99 no real dragbike tricks were used, stock everything. "To say we were flabbergasted would be a understatment of the year" World's first 9 second production sportbike.
 
With all the hype and rivalry can you imagine the scene when these two bikes meet up on the street ? Neither rider is going to give any slack to the other and it will be an awesome display of power bikes. I hope I don't meet one ! Adrenalin overdose blasting a modified zzr11 is quite enough for me, well maybe :)

Good thread with no slagging off for a change, is this the new you zx12 or just a lunar phase effect :) :)
 
Jim,I do have the June 1998 issue of sport rider.The zx-9 did go 9.99@136.8 after going through a couple of sets of clutch packs.They claim and this is a quote,"No real dragbike tricks were used either(like lowering the bikes suspension,gearing,etc.,).They don't say whether the time is corrected or not so you have to assume that it is.While this is very impressive,getting a zx-9 into the nines is a once in a blue moon affair while an equal rider on a hayabusa will trounce the zx-9 in a dragrace or any speed contest.The suzuki is in a class of its own and its trap speeds reinforce this fact big time.
 
I like the let's-get-down-to-business F-18 look of the ZX12, especially in monochrome silver like the Nemesis.

But I wouldn't buy one untested like I did the Busa. The frame's radical, and the rumours about hi-speed instability causing production delays are unsettling.

Weird frames and hi-speed instability go together. If the basic frame concept is inherently unstable, desperate pre-production tweaking may improve it, but it's unlikely to fix it entirely.

The ZX12 is being introduced with the engine/chassis combo already maxed out and just barely manageable.

But the Busa is a rock-solid platform that has run 217 stable mph (it is the British Land Speed Record holder) in stock trim and it can handle any horsepower improvements you throw at it. Its future looks better than the ZX12's.

And I agree with FC that it's going to be a wheely monster that'll be hard to get off the line fast...just like the R1.

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The design and specs of the new 12 do seem inconsistent with a stable bike that will hit 200 mph and do 9 second quarters. Hopefully they have done their homework and produced a stable and reliable package. Hopefully it will be a great bike. If you think about the discussion we are having right now it is pretty amazing. Just the fact that we are not automatically impressed with 183hp at the crank in a package under 500lbs stock no mods really speaks to what a great day it is in motorcycling. If you look at the number of bikes you can buy with 10k that have stock top speeds over 150 mph and ten second quarters you really have allot of choices. Then if you consider the fact that with slight mods you can buy a bike that would have won Daytona 10 to 15 years ago you realize how impressive these bikes really are.
 
Wheelie - prone, yes, but this works both ways: it will be very 'flickable'.
The Busa is a wide beast (don't deny it) and by the looks of it the Kaw is thiner (or else what's the point of the new frame?)
The weight, however, is a bit porky by today's standards. But then again, Kawasaki never did produce balarinas, did they?

I too believe that 200PS are easy with ram-air. It could even be more, but I don't think they would dare say it officially. What's the point of producing an uninsurable bike? Hell, if the 600s make 120PS, don't you think a 1200 can double that?

Just my half cent's worth of BS
 
What the hell am I saying. What is even more important than that is that 8 different people posted on a controversial thread without one person flaming another for his views. I wonder if big dog will give us an award?
 
What it looks like to me is Kawasaki put alot of time into the building a larger and more effective air box to smooth out turbulent air flow. They seem to be the masters at ramair. I belive this what will put the motor over 200 Hp.
 
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