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I like how so many folks still think that the president is in charge:laugh:
He's a puppet, regardless of who he is.
It is public knowledge that there are 6 levels of security clearance above his head too(search for yourself); I wonder why:whistle:

Well in this case, I think post turtle is more accurate :whistle: :laugh:

The problem I see is that people need to get out and vote, not just for the president but for Congress and state officials. Too many folks sit idle thinking their vote doesnt count....this year every vote counts .... I just hope none are counted twice :rulez:
 
Well in this case, I think post turtle is more accurate :whistle: :laugh:

The problem I see is that people need to get out and vote, not just for the president but for Congress and state officials. Too many folks sit idle thinking their vote doesnt count....this year every vote counts .... I just hope none are counted twice :rulez:

The system was infiltrated long ago.
The U.S government has sold out little by little over the years.
There comes a point when anything is too far gone to fix.
I'm not anti-American either, but I have no respect for the government that has and continues to ruin this country.
How much longer do you really belive the U.S will last?
The U.N will be running the world(and into the ground)within my lifetime.
 
I wonder about that.

You have to have a photo ID to drive, cash a check, get government assistance, rent a car, BUY ALCOHOL, etc. etc., but somehow it's wrong to demand one when it comes time to VOTE?
 
I wonder about that.

You have to have a photo ID to drive, cash a check, get government assistance, rent a car, BUY ALCOHOL, etc. etc., but somehow it's wrong to demand one when it comes time to VOTE?

Hmmm?
It couldn't be possible to predeterime who's gonna win, could it?
 
The system was infiltrated long ago.
The U.S government has sold out little by little over the years.
There comes a point when anything is too far gone to fix.
I'm not anti-American either, but I have no respect for the government that has and continues to ruin this country.
How much longer do you really belive the U.S will last?
The U.N will be running the world(and into the ground)within my lifetime.

The UN will not be running this country, at least not all of it. I would imagine there would be uprisings that would make the crap in the middle east seem like sunday school touch football if someone tried to take control as a governing body here.
 
Because he's got a great smile and is married to a sexy blonde. :)

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I'd tap it :laugh:
 
You don't get to post these threads and start fights because you've already wasted your vote from memory :laugh:
 
The UN will not be running this country, at least not all of it. I would imagine there would be uprisings that would make the crap in the middle east seem like sunday school touch football if someone tried to take control as a governing body here.

I would imagine so too, but it doesn't change the agenda.
 
You all do know that Romney had an opportunity to apply his superior business skills to government and it was a flop. Look at his record in Mass, there is a reason he never mentions it. His onew accomplishment was Romney care and he won't even claim that? Now he thinks we need operable windows in airplanes? Romeny never made a business decision where his entire life was in the balance. He never has to look at his family and say "I'm betting all of our futures on this investment". That's what small business is about. It's personal. you're either all in or you get out. Romney never faced that, he started the game on 2nd base and now he's trying to tell us he hit a double.

Gbot, I owe you a box of moon pies - you hit on exactly the point, this guy is the same sort of empty suit that got us into 2 wars and tanked the economy. There is no reason to vote for him, as he is not president material. We need real conservative people who can run the country without silly wars and letting business run all over people's rights. Where are they and why won't they step forward and run. They aren't in congress, not in the senate, where are they?

I also agree that these political threads are useless. People on the right are literally rabit about their loss of power and they really don't make any sense. Rarely do I even hear anything that makes me think (exception skydvr, maybe). I end up just throwing out red meat to get people to respond with the republican attack dog thing. Bottom line is there is a ligetimate conservative world view and I can express it better than most of the "conservatives" on here. It's amazing to me that the "socialist or trickle down" thing is the best you all can do. The top down america has failed, it's proven through 3 presidents and 6 terms.
 
You all do know that Romney had an opportunity to apply his superior business skills to government and it was a flop. Look at his record in Mass, there is a reason he never mentions it. His onew accomplishment was Romney care and he won't even claim that? Now he thinks we need operable windows in airplanes? Romeny never made a business decision where his entire life was in the balance. He never has to look at his family and say "I'm betting all of our futures on this investment". That's what small business is about. It's personal. you're either all in or you get out. Romney never faced that, he started the game on 2nd base and now he's trying to tell us he hit a double.

Gbot, I owe you a box of moon pies - you hit on exactly the point, this guy is the same sort of empty suit that got us into 2 wars and tanked the economy. There is no reason to vote for him, as he is not president material. We need real conservative people who can run the country without silly wars and letting business run all over people's rights. Where are they and why won't they step forward and run. They aren't in congress, not in the senate, where are they?

I also agree that these political threads are useless. People on the right are literally rabit about their loss of power and they really don't make any sense. Rarely do I even hear anything that makes me think (exception skydvr, maybe). I end up just throwing out red meat to get people to respond with the republican attack dog thing. Bottom line is there is a ligetimate conservative world view and I can express it better than most of the "conservatives" on here. It's amazing to me that the "socialist or trickle down" thing is the best you all can do. The top down america has failed, it's proven through 3 presidents and 6 terms.

Arch I'll take the compliment (while awaiting the other shoe to fall :)

So, ok, let me ask you then. You may not like Romney, you may not like Bush, but how can you vote for Obama when he AND HIS PARTY is in a different universe when to comes to real conservative people? There's not an atom of conservatism in the Democratic party's platform anymore and that's really hard to deny. The REAL fiscal conservatives are mostly spread between the Tea Party and The libertarians and the Ron Paul supporters. If your vote was based SOLELY on what you stated above, how in the world could you support Obama's reelection?

I still don't think that GWB wanted a war, he had plenty of other plans for his term other than dealing with someone flying jetliners into the WTC, but he did what he thought the US had to do - so I don't fault him. Obama is still doing the same thing (AFG, Libya, Gitmo is still open, etc.)...I think the lesson learned here is, that it's easy to start a war, but dang hard to end one....
 
Democrats or Republicans? IMO, the same! Reagan was great, W handed the democrats a super hot potatoe. Loved Clinton and the country was in a good place, ok, with a scandal (only one to get caught) definetly not the first time someone played around in the Whitehouse, and did not inhale. It's just good to see the Big House stable, I'm just saying! Ok, how about a Warren Buffett in there! he doesn't need any more money... I think a guy like that would put this country were it needs to be, and if just for bragging rights, bet ya he could do it!!! Who ever it may be, :please: lets just get it done, sick of all the dirty laundry. :2cents:
 
Arch I'll take the compliment (while awaiting the other shoe to fall :)

So, ok, let me ask you then. You may not like Romney, you may not like Bush, but how can you vote for Obama when he AND HIS PARTY is in a different universe when to comes to real conservative people? There's not an atom of conservatism in the Democratic party's platform anymore and that's really hard to deny. The REAL fiscal conservatives are mostly spread between the Tea Party and The libertarians and the Ron Paul supporters. If your vote was based SOLELY on what you stated above, how in the world could you support Obama's reelection?

I still don't think that GWB wanted a war, he had plenty of other plans for his term other than dealing with someone flying jetliners into the WTC, but he did what he thought the US had to do - so I don't fault him. Obama is still doing the same thing (AFG, Libya, Gitmo is still open, etc.)...I think the lesson learned here is, that it's easy to start a war, but dang hard to end one....

Here's the bottom line, Obama is a level headed guy who is smart and a has a clear understanding of how the country is supposed to work. I know that's something that you right-wingers just can't allow yourselves to contemplate. But consider this:

1. When Obama got in, he put right wingers in charge of the financial cleanup. Dems wanted to jerk the country left, and many said that since the system was crashed, let's make it over in the left image. Obama was smart enough to know that the system was too fragile to go too far left, so he went with right wingers for the bailout crew.

2. America must have healthcare. No american business can compete globally if the Government doesn't help manage the cost of healthcare. And the workforce will crumble if we don't get everyone covered so that medical issues are not destroying so many families. But Obama was smart enough not to take the full left wing bite. A "medicare for all" solution would have over burdened the system and resulted in a massive failure. On top of that, putting all those people on the rolls with recession level revenues would have been disasterous.

3. Obama could have cut and ran from Afganstan and Iraq, but he knew that there were major dangers to just leaving. He got out of Iraq but stayed in Afganistan because he needed to trap the taliban. He also had to be able to stabilize Pakestan, as they directly threaten India, the worlds 5 largest economy. They are also have Nukes, and they could easily fall into the hands of terrorists or Iran.

4. Despite his personal desire to end Gitmo, he realized that he would have to probably let too many bad guys walk because their rights had been so trampled by Bush. Unlike most liberals, he realized that the political hit was worth not letting these dudes walk and said "sorry, this isn't justice, but you're going to rot here".

5. Obama bailed out the auto industry. HE was smart enough to realize that he couldn't allow the american manufacturing base die, no matter the political consequences. Can you imagine where Obama would be politically had the bailout not worked? Then we see the weasel ass Romney trying to take credit for it. BTW: Obama bet his presidency on the american worker.

6. Obama pulled the trigger on Osama. Say what you want, this guy is cold cool. To smack Donald Trump down like a fly while your political life is at risk like that, DAMN. Bush actually said "I don't think about him much". I don't think the difference between a gunslinger and an empty suit. BTW: Obama bet his presidency on Seal team 6. What else is there to say?

7. No body talks about the oil spill. Remember all those people on TV saying the sky was falling, BP doesn't know what they are doing, etc. Obama was focused on that problem and according to people involved he was an expert on oil drilling in a week and was on top of making the critical decisions. Perfect? No. But the method used to clean up the spill largely worked. And most of all, Obama was smart enough to not let that scare him off oil drilling. He is not at political or reactionary, that's a right winged myth.

8. Obama has setup the republicans for a solution to our budget that includes tax increases. With budget armegeddon coming, the Republicans are going to be forced to give in to save the military. This guy is the most calculated chess player I have seen. He bet back when the deal was brokered that he would win this election and that would break the republican filabuster. We'll see if it works but this guy is as cool and calculating as they come.

9. Obama is a "clean" a family man as has ever inhabited the white house. His moral standards are higher than most preachers. Amazing, almost hard to believe.

10. He's cool. He's not a suit or a geek. JUst a normal, really really smart dude.

11. He doesn't take the race bait. If a minority wants to be president, they have to address the good of the country, not just their race. The right wing has been blowing their dog whistles now for 5 years and he has risen above it all.

I could go on but that's enough.
 
While I don't generally "like" Romney. He is the lesser of two evils. He hopefully if elected day one will squash Obama care and it's ridiculous mandates such as completely funding abortion on tax payers time. Mandates on any religious institution on having to provide for abortion. Mandates for employers having to provide abortion. Basically not forcing me or anyone else prolife to pay for that nonsense. He so far hasn't blatantly lied then when confronted does one of those "psh that wasn't me". Romney isn't going to fund the Muslim brotherhood. Hopefully he will also stop all the spending going to the GSA. Also he will squash Eric Holder for lying and getting away with it. Bunch of other reasons but that is at the top of my list. Oh and he won't say (at least he hasn't yet but he is a politician so he can very well be lying also) to the American public same sex marriage is cool in my book and if you are here illegally it's ok you can stay and we will provide everything for you on tax payers dime. But that's just a few.
 
I wish you would have posted this in 2008 and said not to use the word Bush, then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place :laugh:
 
JUst a normal, really really smart dude.
what makes you think he is so smart???? How does an average or even bad student get into Columbia and then to Harvard? it certainly wasnt because he got good grades. he was an average student at best. do you think you or I could get into Columbia University and then Harvard Law with average grades? think again.

he didnt graduate with honors so that means he had a GPA between 2.0 and 3.3! again, average grades. average doesnt get you into Columbia University or Harvard law. there is a reason Obama refuses to release his transcript from his undergraduate years. reason is they would make him look like an average student which he was. so what makes him a really, really smart dude????

granted, Romney is Mr. flip-flop but Obama is just an everage dude with very little political experience who happen to come along at the right time when people were looking for a change. well, they certainly got it.....:whistle: do you have any idea what kind of financial burden this schmuch has put on our country? I mean really do you? the numbers dont lie....:whistle:

National debt Upon Inauguration: $10,626,877,048,913

As of Sep 24, 2012: $16,017,841,062,517

In 3.7 yrs Increased: $5,390,964,013,604 (Thats Trillion BTW....:whistle:)

George Bush (8yrs): $4,899,100,310,609

so in (4) years he has increased our national debt more then Bush did in (8) years. elect him to office for another (4) years will be an absolute disaster for this country. do you think we can just keep borrowing money from China? wrong! second term presidents can do whatever they want cause they know they cant be re-elected.

so if the national debt has raised $5+ Trillion in (4) years with an obvious concern of getting re-elected then what do you think will happen during the next (4) years? thats a scary thought so please DONT go on because that is enough!
 
this is getting old... you CANNOT change a system that is broke. it is been legislated specifically by those in power never to loose power. there is no "we the people" until you can effectively hold a pink slip over everyone's head just like corporate america does to is underlings.... they will only continue to thumb their nose at you and dance and sing and you cant do a damn thing about it. so...ask yourself.... what are YOU willing to sacrifice for REAL change??? if you are still sitting in that chair shrugging off my words.... you are exactly what they are counting on and the rest of this country is full of... you are the majority... and the weak. quit ya crying... do something about it. and it aint by casting a VOTE.
 
Here's the bottom line, Obama is a level headed guy who is smart and a has a clear understanding of how the country is supposed to work. I know that's something that you right-wingers just can't allow yourselves to contemplate. But consider this:

1. When Obama got in, he put right wingers in charge of the financial cleanup. Dems wanted to jerk the country left, and many said that since the system was crashed, let's make it over in the left image. Obama was smart enough to know that the system was too fragile to go too far left, so he went with right wingers for the bailout crew.

2. America must have healthcare. No american business can compete globally if the Government doesn't help manage the cost of healthcare. And the workforce will crumble if we don't get everyone covered so that medical issues are not destroying so many families. But Obama was smart enough not to take the full left wing bite. A "medicare for all" solution would have over burdened the system and resulted in a massive failure. On top of that, putting all those people on the rolls with recession level revenues would have been disasterous.

3. Obama could have cut and ran from Afganstan and Iraq, but he knew that there were major dangers to just leaving. He got out of Iraq but stayed in Afganistan because he needed to trap the taliban. He also had to be able to stabilize Pakestan, as they directly threaten India, the worlds 5 largest economy. They are also have Nukes, and they could easily fall into the hands of terrorists or Iran.

4. Despite his personal desire to end Gitmo, he realized that he would have to probably let too many bad guys walk because their rights had been so trampled by Bush. Unlike most liberals, he realized that the political hit was worth not letting these dudes walk and said "sorry, this isn't justice, but you're going to rot here".

5. Obama bailed out the auto industry. HE was smart enough to realize that he couldn't allow the american manufacturing base die, no matter the political consequences. Can you imagine where Obama would be politically had the bailout not worked? Then we see the weasel ass Romney trying to take credit for it. BTW: Obama bet his presidency on the american worker.

6. Obama pulled the trigger on Osama. Say what you want, this guy is cold cool. To smack Donald Trump down like a fly while your political life is at risk like that, DAMN. Bush actually said "I don't think about him much". I don't think the difference between a gunslinger and an empty suit. BTW: Obama bet his presidency on Seal team 6. What else is there to say?

7. No body talks about the oil spill. Remember all those people on TV saying the sky was falling, BP doesn't know what they are doing, etc. Obama was focused on that problem and according to people involved he was an expert on oil drilling in a week and was on top of making the critical decisions. Perfect? No. But the method used to clean up the spill largely worked. And most of all, Obama was smart enough to not let that scare him off oil drilling. He is not at political or reactionary, that's a right winged myth.

8. Obama has setup the republicans for a solution to our budget that includes tax increases. With budget armegeddon coming, the Republicans are going to be forced to give in to save the military. This guy is the most calculated chess player I have seen. He bet back when the deal was brokered that he would win this election and that would break the republican filabuster. We'll see if it works but this guy is as cool and calculating as they come.

9. Obama is a "clean" a family man as has ever inhabited the white house. His moral standards are higher than most preachers. Amazing, almost hard to believe.

10. He's cool. He's not a suit or a geek. JUst a normal, really really smart dude.

11. He doesn't take the race bait. If a minority wants to be president, they have to address the good of the country, not just their race. The right wing has been blowing their dog whistles now for 5 years and he has risen above it all.

I could go on but that's enough.

Wow, I actually had to sleep on this overnight. Who is this guy, cause I'd vote for him! That's some really wild crack, Arch...talk about 'rose-colored lenses' that's one heck of a set you have.

I will give him credit for this: He isn't stoopid, but I'm sorry some of the things you say above just don't compute:

1. Barney Frank and Frank Dodd aren't well known for being right-wingers, so I'd like to know specifically which right wingers you refer to...

2. Government managing ANYTHING efficiently, is like giving your teenage son a box of condoms, your open credit card and dropping him off in front of the largest cathouse in Nevada and telling him to spend frugally. Cause they've managed the welfare, medicade and Social Securty systems SO well....

3. Bush did the hard part for him (the actual invasion part) (oh, and he campaigned HEAVILY against it); he gets to do the same thing, yet blame someone else the entire time. Gotta give him credit for being slick over that one.

4. Yet he crowed the loudest that he would end Gitmo - and he actually wanted to try the terrorists in NEW YORK CITY FEDERAL COURT, giving them the same protections as citizens...jeez...Actually, I think the tipping point that got him the Presidency WAS his anti-war stance, and the mood of the country tiring of a long war.

5. He didn't bail out the Auto INDUSTRY nearly as much as he bailed out the Auto UNION, who kept their pension plans intact, and they got a HUGE chunk of stock in the new company that they immediately sold. The one's that got killed were the bondholders and the suppliers...the INDUSTRY itself would have recovered, and could have broken the UAW's grip making them competitive with the likes of Toyota at the same time...but it didn't happen, so now it's "union business as usual"...

6. Yes, he did. And so would have GWB. And most likey Romney given the same intel and circumstance. But GWB and Romney I doubt would have got on TV and TOOK THE CREDIT in the shameful way that Obama did. "I", "I" and "I". GWB would have said "THEY", "THEY" and "THEY" giving credit where it was truly due. By default as the CINC he also get's credit, but should have never TAKEN credit.

7. Does he get to take credit for cleaning up the spill too? Wait a sec, he DID BAN Offshore drilling for MONTHS. Most of the Oil rigs left the gulf and went to Brazil for goodness sakes. I actually happen to know something about this; we have a location in NOLA that does business with the oil services companies - It KILLED several of them and they STILL haven't gotten it back. This is also the President that blocked the pipleline project guarantying us a huge, easy, and cheap supply of oil from our Canadian allies, who are now thinking of sending it to China instead. That was a SMAM DUNK and he blew it. And let's not bring up his success with projects like Solyndra...

8. Agreed, skillful maneauvering that puts the country at risk. Can't argue this one.

9. Agreed. So is Romney and so should be EVERY President we select. Yet the Dems just LOVE slick willie.

10. Because "cool" is the #1 reason to make a guy President.

11. I'm not so sure about that, but he's had plenty of others carry the race banner for him so he doesn't have to. And you can't deny that a large demograpic of the population is voting for him SOLELY because of the race he's now claiming...

I have yet to see anything in the above that makes me think he's got the talent and skills to get out country out of the hole we have dug ourselves into.

:popcorn:
 
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