Opinions on Ferguson MO

To the OP: I think no one posted because everything was pretty obvious and there wasn't much to discuss/argue about... but you had to do bring this up, didn't you? LOL

Divided, we fall... and dividing the country into blacks and whites, into those who have and those who have not, cultivating in blacks hatred towards white people, and a sense that society owes something to black people - is exactly what the likes of Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Obama, and a lot in the media do... thus creating a double standard and holding a black person to a lower standard. It is this kind of attitude which killed Michael Brown, and it is this kind of attitude which feeds the riots. Luckily, a lot of black folks, maybe even majority, do not subscribe to such notion, but unfortunately enough do, and it doesn't take too many to support a riot and unrest. I think being treated equally starts with being equally responsible for your actions - there is no substitute.

I've met enough black people along my life path and have plenty of firsthand examples of hardworking honest people who became successful to various degrees despite perceived or real challenges, discrimination, and inequality. Never before black people had so much sympathy from white people, so much so that a black president was elected - twice. There are plenty of lazy and irresponsible examples as well though.

Sean Hannity asked Michael Brown's family attorney to provide one example of how Michael Brown's civil rights were violated. The attorney was unable to do so, and resorted to saying that we have to analyze every word of the police officer and maybe we will find some words/actions suggesting a civil rights violation. This entire issue is built on racism - a racism of some black people against white people. Their sentiment is simple: even if a black person commits a crime, even if a black person attacks a white police officer, even if a black person tries to take a gun from a white police officer - the officer has no right to defend himself. There is no point arguing with such people - they have been brainwashed, and unfortunately many of them are unable to think independently. In the meantime, blacks killing blacks is perfectly OK, and Sharpton and the likes are very silent about it.

I also would like to know why so few black applicants become police officers in Ferguson? Are they applying and being discriminated against?

Of course, all of this only hurts black people. The notion that society owes them something fosters irresponsibility, dependency on government, and absence of self-reliance. Such notion is taken to an extreme, and it is not surprising that like so many other things taken to extreme, this produces the exact opposite of the original intent.

I don't want to care whether a person is black or white. My desired perception of a black person is something along the lines of "oh, and by the way that guy with deep sun tan" - an observation I can barely remember. However, I am being reminded every day by the likes of instigators like Sharpton and others that I have to be extra careful with black people, be gentle to them, and watch every word I say.

I come from a country where I was a second class citizen. Such treatment was supported and enforced by the government, and carried out by most of the population. I know what discrimination is. I lived through it - playing on the street as a kid and being called racial names, police laughing at you and threatening to arrest you for complaining about it, being unable to attend a college I wanted to, being turned away from a job, and many other instances involving me, my parents, and other relatives. I had to live by a simple rule - BE BETTER and maybe you will get through an obstacle. I did, and it often worked, although at times it didn't.

I can tell you that in this country, all roads are open to a black person - free education in best colleges, employment opportunities, business opportunities, and more. However, you still have to work hard for it - there is no substitute. So, to me the entire situation TODAY with black people "suffering" from the PAST discrimination is laughable. And so many examples of successful black people is a testament to that.
 
To the OP: I think no one posted because everything was pretty obvious and there wasn't much to discuss/argue about... but you had to do bring this up, didn't you? LOL

With over 1600 views and 120 replies (at this time) I guess there was much to discuss. :laugh:


I also would like to know why so few black applicants become police officers in Ferguson? Are they applying and being discriminated against?

Did you miss my post on what the mayor said about that?
It appears they don't want to become cops. I don't know if they have ever been arrested if that would disqualify them from becoming a cop. ???
Maybe they think they couldn't get the job, so they don't even try. Or maybe their friends/Family? Don't want them to become one. IDK.

I thought I read that most police departments are about 80% white - Ferguson was 93% white, so a little more lop sided then the average.

Well I haven't seen the news today to see if things have quieted down - however it seems like the bad guys only come out at night. :whistle:

But I don't know how much would change, since there doesn't appear to be anyone stopping them from doing damage. :banghead:


Just film crews there filming them :watching: maybe they get a high knowing that they will be
on TV or the internet if they do something stupid. Pretty SAD.
 
The officer's story doesn't check either. Also the guy who was walking in the middle of the road with Brown says different. According to him, the cop rolled up on them very close with the car and had to push Brown out of the way to get the door open, which is when the altercation started. Again I am not defending Brown. Basically there are all kinds of conflicting facts - that's why there should have been a trial.

I can't claim tpo have any facts. I wasn't there, didn't investigate, and wasn't sitting on the Grand Jury, but apparently the evidence did support the officers story along with 6 other witnesses that were present .

I think all this boils down to this: Police have a right to protect themselves, but they have to be responsible for making good decisions at that split second when the life or death choice is made. That's the essential difference between a force for order and an occupation. I totally agree that if a cop pulls the trigger they should aim for the surest kill. So the issue is not should cops kill when they shoot, its when should they shoot.

I had one incident I can remember where I over powered a crack dealer and after a long period of time finally got back up. I thought I was gonna have to kill the idiot. It was fighting me and attempting to get my firearm off my duty belt. I was choking him out the whole time and talking to him begging him to stop and he wouldn't over 28 crack rocks. If he had been larger and over powered me and grabbed my gun, had i feared losing control, I would have more than likely shot the man. I hope that I never have to.

I feel like a lot of white people feel like it's just a cost of maintaining order if cops shoot a few innocent black people.

Well I don't think I can do a lot about your feelings. Personally I have not heard anyone say that. That doesn't mean that it isn't being said or thought, but it's your feelings not a factI can't accept that, neither can I especially if my family, friends or even I myself might be one of those "accidents". This is why when a cop makes an error, or even a questionable shoot there has to be more done than just say "oops, guess we wasted another n-word."

This wasn't an accident, there was no error, or question according to the Grand Jury I worded that confrontationally because I think this is how we see this and I don't think most white people understand that. you seem to say that a lot around here and have for years, I don't read every word posted here, but you seem to focus a lot on race. I try to see all people as people, oh and I was born and raised in the South but who gives a crap. Was busing ordered in South Boston or what ? I really don't want to veer off subject, but I see more racism in the upper part of this nation in recent history. Probably totally different in the 60's , I don't know I was a kid, but I have traveled to different areas and I have lived my whole life in the south. I know what I have been exposed too and I know where I hear and see and feel the most racism coming from presently. It is difficult for a white person to be totally objective when judging the intent of a black person any more than it's possible for a black person to judge a white person. That's why in a town that's 90% black you just can't have an all white police force. You really need to do some research. I have done more research on this matter since someone decided to stir the pot here for their own damned amusement than I have since the news broke. Ferguson is 67% black, it has 3 black police officers. I work in a City that's 97% black and until recently was the only white police officer, I feel the sting of racism every shift, but I talk to a lot of nice people every shift too. I know exactly where I stand. I recently had to call my chief out because a caller refused to speak with me because i was white. My chief told me i should have left, then i explained to him the she was trying to load up her 13 year old daughter and drive off even though she was so drunk she couldn't walk. It really didn't bother me the things she said. I feel she was just being honest with me, but that could also be the training. Whatever it was it just didn't bother me that much. It's a fact that when white people judge black people they convict them at significantly higher numbers than whites. This systemic inequality built into the system is the source of anger in communities like Ferguson. I disagree and if roles were reversed you'd call me a racist. All I know is what I have observed. Not gonna do the research but I think there's some truth to the situation you address, but it's not white jurors or white judges but probably the fact that poor people qualify for public defenders and don't get very good legal advise. Except bad plea deals that actually never go to trial at all , but that's what I see and it's not like I see it all.

It is not a good thing to have police officers getting injured or killed because they are afraid to fire their weapons. It's also unacceptable to have innocent citizens killed because and an officer over reacted. Remember that all suspects are innocent at the point of an arrest - that's the law. Whatever that means. 105 police officers were killed in the line of duty in 2013, in 2011 400 people were killed by police officers. Some, maybe a large number of those were suicide by cop. 15K murders happened in 2013, so why is this in the media ? You dont see the national media jumping out there every time an unarmed white kid gets shot by a black officer. Why ? Why are we even talking about this because no matter how many facts I throw at you, it will not change the way you feel or the false statements you make. It just will not. So you'll excuse me if I go back to living my life and let you guys fight for no reason, because in the end it will not change much if anything.

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As I have said, I am not defending Brown and I don't condone riots and looting. I think that stuff is destracting people from the real issues here - you should not have an all white police force policing an all black population.


Race shouldn't matter period and you keep falsely stating the population of ferguson and the color, yes color of police officers in ferguson. But when did facts make a damn
 
That's pretty much proof that the Ferguson department is racist. There are tons of blacks in law enforcement and plenty more who would go into it if it was a fair department. That's the oldest cop out (pun intended) ever. Like saying "my best friend is black". It's very difficult to have a fully functional family without a job. I'm not making excuses as I believe you have to play the cards you're dealt and not cry about your obstacles if you want to make it. But the fact is that the poorer you are the more exceptional you have to be to emerge from that successfully.

Where do you get all these facts from. I don't know anything about the place, but I do know where I work we are short handed on a bare minimum of officers situation. We are the highest paid outfit in the area and can't get people to apply. No one wants to police. I don't blame them :laugh:
 
So Cap was there an Urban Culture influence in backwoods West Virginia when they rioted in the streets after a COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME.... turned over cars, smashed window fronts and hurled bricks at police?? We're they described as Animals, Criminals, P.O.S.?? Was there trigger happy Cowboys lining up 2 gun them down??

No.... of course not they are just drunken frat boys who got just "a little too carried away"... or eloquent words used such as "youthful exuberance" or "Frustrated with no constructive outlet".
I look at everyone that does this crap as idiots that should be arrested if they violate a law. I think a few years ago there was a concert that got cancelled and people destroyed property as well.
 
Ya know, regardless of race, dress code, skin color, height, weight, I've never heard a story about how the 100% compliant and ultimately innocent suspect was shot and/or killed by the law.

Seems there's always a "well you can't just shoot a person b/c they [insert stupid, disobedient, disorderly, unexpected, otherwise questionable behavior] here even if they [insert prior stupid/questionable behavior here].

I have a standard procedure for dealing with law enforcement in any situation:
1) Do what they say when they say to do it
2) Don't do ANYTHING suddenly or without asking permission to do so
3) Interact with them with full respect for them as a person and a uniform

If I get this procedure right, and I always have, everything is fine. The worst outcomes I've EVER had are having to deal with a terse/gruff officer that's just having a bad day and/or receiving a ticket. To date, I have never, EVER been SHOT!

Why do I do this?
1) I don't want to get shot so I want to be sure that I don't give ANY reason for the officer to shoot me. I know they don't know me, so I need to be on my VERY best behavior during the interaction.
2) I don't want to go to jail
3) I don't want their job. Their job is not easy, it's very stressful and I am SO appreciative that they're doing it!
4) I don't want to make their job harder. It's difficult enough without me and everybody else giving 'em crap about it. If they got less crap, they might be a tad less twitchy. As it is, I COMPLETELY understand how they're often on the defensive.

Bottom line: Try not to be in trouble, make trouble, be around trouble and you just might not get any trouble. Hmmm... Maybe I should write that down.

I believe it happens. I think a kid from another country pulled his phone out and was shot to death in NY. Don't know if that was the Southern part of NY. I need to stop it's not funny when people die, but some comments and perceptions are.
 
That's a B.S. excuse majority populations have been using for ever. Police should recruit from their own populations, so the Ferguson department should naturally be heavy with minorities. It's complete crap if you think all those white officers are the best and most qualified applicants. I call this white affirmative action - when the criteria includes being white so the weak get in. What black person would want to be a part of a department that has sent such blatant racist vibes throughout the Ferguson incident?

I have a lot of personal experience with the way white people protect segregated institutions with claims like "we can't find qualified applicants".

Do you ever use facts ? Do you have a clue about whats going on in that city ? I don't .
 
Don't let non sense get you all worked up. I'm a black male from Horn Lake, MS I understand where you coming from and I don't understand all the facts and ins and out about the Mike Brown case. But what I will let you know is no white person on here or anywhere can ever say i understand what is to be black in America. Alot will say you got jobs black people are doing good, but it don't mean they didn't face some form of racism along the way. I have experienced it and going through it right now but what you not gonna hear me say is they owe me something everything me and my family have I worked and got it nothing given to me or my family by any government support or handout. What we have to do is move on and learn from this arguing on here back and forth is not the answer. Why fuel the fire? We can all pick and choose from this case and form our justification on this and that from the evidence. This is one thing that will always form distraction from the real issue at hand.
 
That's the law DO3, you're insulted by the law?

Don't let non sense get you all worked up. I'm a black male from Horn Lake, MS I understand where you coming from and I don't understand all the facts and ins and out about the Mike Brown case. But what I will let you know is no white person on here or anywhere can ever say i understand what is to be black in America. Alot will say you got jobs black people are doing good, but it don't mean they didn't face some form of racism along the way. I have experienced it and going through it right now but what you not gonna hear me say is they owe me something everything me and my family have I worked and got it nothing given to me or my family by any government support or handout. What we have to do is move on and learn from this arguing on here back and forth is not the answer. Why fuel the fire? We can all pick and choose from this case and form our justification on this and that from the evidence. This is one thing that will always form distraction from the real issue at hand.
 
I don't understand what the protesters want.Have herd body cameras on police might not b bad idea prob agree with them there.
Then want legal system overhauled what exactly do they want changed there?
 
police department try to recruit minorities all the time but most either fail the polygraph or back ground investigation. OR show up to orientation with a suspended license lmao smh and they wonder why their not gotten hired smh.
 
what they want changed is....the amount of their material possessions....
 
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