Parents....need your input...

tbonebusa

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Okay all you parents on the board....chime in with your honest opinion on this. First, the background:
I am 38 years old. I was raised by relatively strict parents, yet they allowed me to do a lot of "physical" activities...football, baseball, raced bmx bikes for a couple years, had dirt bikes from age 11 or so, had "hot rod" cars as a teenager, etc. i came out okay, thanks to the love and direction my parents gave me, yet I won't deny I made some poor decisions at times...I never got into drugs, but I had a few beers at some high school parties, street raced a little bit, broke some bones crashing on the dirt bikes, etc...but never had a really "bad" period....I respected my parents because they were strict, yet also respected the fact that they allowed me freedoms to have some fun, too.
Now I find myself with a six year old son, and he is 100% pure boy. He loves sports, loves anything mechanical and or motorized, and has absolutely no fear of anything. He's big, athletic, strong, smart, and a pretty good kid. We spend a lot of time together, he comes to the water with me when I work on problem boats, hangs in garage with me while I play with the bike or cars, we have rc trucks we work on together, I coach his t-ball team, etc, etc...Anyway, enough background.
Well..maybe a little more background...I live in a newer, nice residential area. 25 mph speed limits, stop signs at every corner, no 4 lanes, no traffic lights, typical "planned community" suburban paradise. My son's school is about 8 blocks from our house, which involves about 4 stop signs to get to. My son love the bike...he shows all his friends the busa as soon as they walk in the door...and sometimes I take him to school on the bike. He has a properly fitted DOT helmet, and I checked with the local police to make sure there were no age restrictions concerning passengers(okay as long as they can reach the pegs, which he can). I would NEVER ride with him in traffic, on the freeway, in the city, or over 30 mph or so. But I do take him to school, through the neighborhood. We both wear shorts and short sleeve shirts, and again, never leave the neighborhood. Well, today I'm dropping him off, and another parent (who I don't know) jumps out of her car and gives me the verbal beating of my life. She tells me I'm irresponsible, not qualified to be a parent, should be arrested for child endangerment, and actually called me "stupid motherfu**er" in front of my son. Mind you, this was a full frontal attack, I never had a chance to utter a word for the first 30 seconds...I calmly removed my helmet, never raised my voice, and told her to please mind her own business, as our choice of vehicle was not her concern. She replied that she would be calling the police with my plate number, as well as reporting me to the school, as well as having motorcycles banned from the school parking lot. My little guy stood there as I told her to do what she deemed appropriate, yet kindly watch her language in front of my son. If it would have been a man cursing me out, I very well may have popped him one in the mouth, but cooler heads prevailed. She turned away got in her SUV, and actually peeled out pulling away from the curb, with 50 kids within 20 feet of her truck.
I stood there stunned, told Austin to go ahead and go to class, and considered my options. Honestly, I gave thought to chasing her down and giving her a sample of my well honed curse word vocabulary, but realized it would only fuel her fire. I rode home, parked the bike, and drove in to work, where I'm typing this.
Parents: Am I out of line for riding Austin to school? Again, this is the only situation where he will be on the bike...I wouldn't feel safe anywhere else. I feel that there is always risk in anything you do, and the best you can hope for is to manage said risk to an acceptable level.
What do you think??

Tim
 
TBONE... I have a seven year old son that is most likely just like yours love it all. fast cars, motorcycles, bikes you name it. he loves to ride on the busa. i ride him and my daughter all the time. we have been out riding for more than an hour on the bike. he always wears a helmet, and i personally think u held your cool very good ( especially in front of your son) and u set a good example of keeping ur cool.

IT IS YOUR PERAGATIVE TO DO AS U WISH WITH UR SON AND KIDS .. SHE IS TOTALY OUT OF LINE.

have a talk with ur son about the situation that happened and keep riding him on the bike. my .02 cents
 
You are in no way in the wrong! I may not let my kid ride in shorts but, it is not my child and I may feel differently if I lived in your neighborhood. She was totally out of line and the fool for showing her azz no matter her opinion! Then spinning tires in a school zone! I hope someone gets her azz tomorrow! You did the best anyone could have done. Better than me. You provided a fine example of what a good man is to your son. I think that is all that matters.
 
She's lucky she didn't call the cops and get ME as the responding officer. No doubt she called and told them you were haulin' ass with him on there. We get calls like that all the time. Truth is, 99% of the time, when we get to observe the person bein' complained on, the complaint is BS. I've actually been in traffic in the patrol car and got a complaint on a vehicle I'd been observing when the made up "violation" or inappropriate driving supposedly occurred. Needless to say, the complainant got stopped, got an ear full and a good scolding and threat of prosecution next time for false report of a crime. Changed their rotten attitude in a big hurry!
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Fug her... Ride yer son to school. Oh, and great job not goin' off on that stupid beeyotch! Here's a tip. Keep a small tape recorder with ya or mount a video cam on yer bike and haeve it runnin' next time. That way, you can actually go to the cops and the school yourself first and show them who was really the ass.
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TBone-Not a problem taking your son to school on your bike. My daughter has been righing since she was 5. (She's an unusually big girl for her age). As long as their feet can touch the pegs and they can safely hold on. (Hint: I went to Walmart and bought a Seadoo vest. It has two handles that are right on your side below your armpits. It slips over your jacket like a oragne safety vest. Works great for holding on.)
You showed alot of restraint. Sometimes it's better to be a gentleman even if you really shouldn't.
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What a pile of crap! Kudos to you for keeping your cool. That woman should be b* slapped. I wouldn't worry too much about what your son saw and heard. YOUR reaction (or in this case, lack of reaction) is what kids pick up on most and react to. You did well for yourself and your son by maintaining your cool. You have nothing to worry about in my opinion.
 
If you're legal then tell her she needs a can of STFU! People's idiocy never ceases to amaze me.

You are one cool cucumber though. I would have gone ballistic.
 
I need to preface my response with the fact that I'm not really qualified to respond.
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since I don't have kids. However, this is another example of that hyperprotectionism (is that a word?) that is running rampant in modern American society. Right along with bicycle helmets, anti-bacterial soap, car seats, etc. These things are not bad ideas, but the safety nazis have taken it too damn far. Screw her! If your kid digs riding' with you and you like takin' him, then do it! It's none of her damn business.
 
Bro I've got a 7 year old myself and the only thing that's keeping me from putting him on the back is we don't have a helmet yet.  I have fears of him on my bike because I know what a risk I take, but like previously stated we take a risk everyday as soon as our eyes open.  To put it plainly our kids are having more problems in this day finding adults to model themselves after, than catching a slow and easy ride 8 lights to school on the bike of their biggest role model pops.  Her verbage was more detrimental to those kids that heard it, than you riding your son on the Busa.  Now if you were popping wheelies with your boy on the bike different story, but from the way you've explained it things were very safely done.  So on that note I commend you for most of all not losing it in front of your son, he learned a great lesson in the area of patience and temperment.  I honestly don't know whether I could have been as polite.  She's being a hypocrite with her language and her driving (seems to be a problem for most women
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I think you're justified in allowing you son to partake in an activity that means a great deal to you.  It's bonding and he'll remember it forever.  Keep riding your boy and sharing that time with him, no matter what Old Maids have to say.

God bless,
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I would report her to the school for her abusive behavior in front of your child --that'll pop her buble...

Other than that I wouldn't sweat it
 
Yup yup.. I have to agree with the previous post~ She's really got some nerve.. standing there in front of your child cursing (yet you're "not qualified to be a parent") and then peels out in a school zone as she leaves (who "should be arrested for child endangerment") !?!? You did a great job as a parent by keeping your cool in front of not just your child, but any other children within listening distance~ Kudos to ya.. I might have forgoten she was a woman just long enough to bitch slap some sense back into her... but that's just me~
As Blu jhas stated.. take some time and talk to Austin about this evening~ Definitly do not let the situation keep you from riding him to school~ That's one of my most cherished childhood memories.. my Pops riding me to school... except it was on a '69 FLH Hardly~
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tbonebusa,

I don't have kids but I would like to say there needs to be more Dad's like you out there. My Dad did the same stuff with me when I was younger and those are some of the best memories in my life!
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The only problem is what to do about this lady?
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She was totally in the wrong and didn't make a good impression for your son or any of the kids that witnessed her ignorance! I can't believe you didn't talk to her and ask her WTF is she thinking and doing!?!?! Squealing her tires and ripping out of the parking lot in her SUV like a bat out of hell. She is going to end up hurting the very people she is worried about.

I would make sure your son understands exactly what happened and explain to him so he doesn't feel like you/he were in the wrong in any way. If anything else ride him to school on the bike "everyday" and make sure everyone sees you.

Make sure you talk with the school and let them know what went down in case she tries to pull some crap down the road.

Wish you luck and keep up what you are doing with "your son!"
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Thanks to all of you, makes the knot in my stomach seem a little better. In all honesty, after I re-read my post, I expected support from the members here, because we all ride.
I'd like to hear from the Moms on the board to get a mother's point of view...even though they are riders, also. Do they think riding a 6 year old on the bike in a safe setting is an unreasonable risk? If the answer is yes, I'd give some thought to changing things, but I'm really confused about all this right now. Motorcycling is inherently dangerous, so maybe I shouldn't ride with him??
 
You were not wrong and there is no excuse for her behavior. Sounds like a hyper woman with a prejudice against bikes period. I also recommend a small digital voice recorder because since you were so calm the first time, she will probably have the nerve to approach you again. Since it happened on school grounds, sending a written complaint about her to the school and the school board may not be a bad idea either. A copy of your post should work just fine.

Oh yeah ... and that buddy belt idea is also good ... I use it when I ride my young nieces and nephew.



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My hat is off to you for keeping your cool when most probably would give into her little game and engage into a verbal arguement with her. I would just continue to do as you are, after all you are legal and enjoy the ride with your child as much as he I am sure. I just wish my boy was old enough to take for a ride (few more years).
If anything she should be reported to school or authorities for wreckless driving. I am sure that since it was a school zone her actions constitute as child endagerment.
 
Find out where she lives and make a detour there everyday with your son on the back
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Just the other day I was mentioning to my wife how strange it is that if a child is riding in a car, they must have their seatbelts on..........at least in Colorado it is the law!!!! But it is totally legal to have your child on the back of a motorcycle with no harness of any kind.

Strange...........isn't it?

I am amazed that you kept your cool........and like the others I would suggest talking to your son and letting him know that the lady really crossed the line. Let him know that some grownups don't act very grown up!!! My 6 year old son has been begging me to take him for rides. Other than a little intro ride around the block, I'm waiting until I can find a cheap helmet at a yardsale!!! My 14 and 15 year old kids are dying for rides as well, but since my helmet budget is pinched, I've got to find some decent priced ones somewhere.

Unfortunately you will probably have to let the entire thing go.....other than complaining to the school about her wreckless.....and I do mean wreckless(breaking traction with the possibility of endangering property or lives) driving!!! They probably won't do anything about it........., but the next time that she gets pissed when she sees you drop off your kid, maybe a school official will be a witness to her behavior.

Once again Tbone.............way to go and don't, don't, don't cave in to her demands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ps......................don't be the least bit surprised if some radical group gets a law passed that prohibits children from riding on the backs of motorcycles.................................I feel it will happen someday!!!!!!
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