Racial Tension in SC is undeniable! Do you think the flag should be removed?

[keene757]

From what I read, Ironically the ppl burning the flag that the bikers smacked around were protesting NYPD, then needed NYPD to "Save" them from the bikers.

Pretty ironic!

 

[keene757]

It's funny but you guys aren't getting it. Do you think TV Land pulled the Duke's because it offends minorities? Grow up! They did it because they don't want to lose customers. You're are so ethnocentric that you don't realize you are a shrinking minority. Heck even NASCAR realizes their future profitability isn't with a segregated redneck audience! You shouldn't fly a confederate flag over government property because confederates were traitors to the United States of America and genocidal mass murderers not unlike Nazis. The stars and bars do in fact mean hate. It was adopted by the KKK as a symbol of white jihad and terror and it was flown over SC capitol in response to the federal order to desegregate. Heritage or history those are still the facts.

Very true indeed!

 

[keene757]

U mention the gay marriage issue... Aren't we supposed to be getting more tolerant, not less?
Troy

Gay marriage tolerance is there because it is based off of Love...What does that have to do with racism? Are you insinuating be more tolerant of racism?!? I hope not

 

[Getn off]

Not of racism...just be tolerant of other peoples ideas, whatever they are. People have the right to believe pretty much anything they want, whether it be good or bad. Just because Cletis has a flag in his truck, wtf should I care? As far as it being in govmt building, I got no beef with it. Same as religious symbols on state grounds...and I am not religious.
We can all get along without forcing everyone to believe what we think is best.
Troy

 

[keene757]

Not of racism...just be tolerant of other peoples ideas, whatever they are. People have the right to believe pretty much anything they want, whether it be good or bad. Just because Cletis has a flag in his truck, wtf should I care? As far as it being in govmt building, I got no beef with it. Same as religious symbols on state grounds...and I am not religious.
We can all get along without forcing everyone to believe what we think is best.
Troy

I agree with most of what you said...i don't care if individuals fly around the flag hell they could have family that fought for the confederacy. However the gov't buildings i do not agree with. Just my opinion

 

[Strife]

You think a bunch of dumb kids running into Walmart and ransacking it causes racial tension? Wow! No wonder the country is going nowhere fast.
So tell me what were the victims in the church shooting doing that warranted them to be shot and killed? Unbelievable!

Well, when I read(even here) about how a black individual feels like he/she is profiled because of their color and I see stuff like this happen out of the blue, there is fallout. Fine line between racism and profiling. I don't know where you got out of what I said people should of been killed. I even stated there is worse actual racial things that have happened. My topic was about racism in general.

What I did see is a particular race ransacking a Walmart for no reason other then to cause chaos and damage and yes fear for others who were shopping. Same race that is always making a big stink about how they being treated unjustly, profiled, etc and then blaming others. It's a shame that crap like this happens. Profiling isn't racism and more often then not it twisted into racism. Racism is fueled by ignorance and profiling is fueled by actions. Does actions cause racism... sure. It's these actions we need to put a stop to. Hence my link. People in that area are going to profile those kids and they going to think it's racism.

White cop kills black kid, lets burn down our own town. That will show them it was wrong to take the kids life. Now lets put up a plaque in honor of the kid who caused his own death by fighting with the officer in the same town, just to try to appease those who rioted. WTF kind of stupid is that? Ted Bundy certainly deserves a street named after him in every city by that logic.

As far as the church shootings. WHAT A PIECE OF **** THAT GUY IS! If it was my choice, I'd lock him up for life in solidary, never let him interact with anyone, feed him scraps from the garbage cans which is used by the other inmates to dump their food. Let him really loose his mind and live in his own insanity till he tries to take his own life by smashing his head against a wall and then line those same walls with padding so he will only seep further into his insanity.

And yeah, oldgixxer... Where I grew up in Brooklyn, if I got out of line, not only did I have to worry about what my parents would do to me when they found out. I also had to worry about what my neighbors would do to me and whoever I was with if I did something wrong in their presence.

 

[Lycan6]

I'm not even going to go any further int his conversation because it always goes down the same road. Our local statistician will find some random numbers to plug in. Someone will blame a dead person for their own death. Already done. Baltimore will come up. Already done also. And someone will say it's blacks fault for getting getting shot when they are unarmed because they were a threat. But not one post about the victims of the incident.
You are either ignorant as all hell or dumb as hell to think that flag flying on top of any state or federal building is appropriate. And for the record there have been calls to have that flag removed for decades. But now that this guy has a pic of it on his page the country is in an uproar.
I could care less about that flag and anyone wanting to wave it. But on top of a government building is in appropriate.
And for anyone taking count, there have been more posts about the confederate flag in this forum there there have been about the shooting itself or about the shooting of the black victim that was shot in the back in that same area. What does that say about race relations?

 

[Lycan6]

And you use the word profiling like it's such a good thing. When in essence it's just as bad, if not worse than racism. Profiling is what leads to racism. Judge me based on me and what info not based on what others that look like me have done.

 

[nosbig]

And you use the word profiling like it's such a good thing. When in essence it's just as bad, if not worse than racism. Profiling is what leads to racism. Judge me based on me and what info not based on what others that look like me have done.

I understand and agree that you want to be judged on your actions, I belive we all do. I disagree that profiling is worse than racism. We all profile every person that we come in contact with every day, or at least we should. It's called threat analysis and if you don't then you will become a statistic.

 

[Lycan6]

From Webster: profiling is tthe act or practice of regarding particular people as more likely to commit crimes because of their appearance, race, etc.
what about that is positive?

Also from Webster: analyze is to study (something) closely and carefully : to learn the nature and relationship of the parts of (something) by a close and careful examination
: to study the emotions and thoughts of (someone) by using psychoanalysis

There is a difference. When a person of color is automatically presumed guilty of something because of the color of their skin is not a good feeling. This goes for all races and I don't agree with it either way. I make my decisions on a person by person basis.

 

[Strife]

Do you even read wtf I am saying? Really...?

Profiling being a good thing? I was simply separating racism and profiling. Already stated there is a fine line between the two.

Actions lead to profiling. Racism is a byproduct of profiling caused by ignorance. What's the cause of getting profiled?

So you want us to discuss incidents involving victims and race relations but ignore posting information in relation to such stuff?

The country was divided, one had one flag, other had a different one. We had a civil war. One won and other lost. So it's not ok for southern states to hang both flags because why? Should we do away with the state flags also? You know my view on the flag? It symbolizes those that fought in the war. Not the damn political north vs south. It was the biggest event to ever happen in our country. It really was never an official flag of the succeeded states, just a flag that was adopted at their battle flag. So if a state wants to fly a flag for those who sacrificed their lives then let them. It's part of the states history.

And for your information the flag isn't on top of the SC government building. It resides on a flag pole next to a soldiers monument. Commemorating an historical event. So it seems you are upset over something you might not fully understand? Should be destroy all the monuments of the war now too? Because it ties into slavery one way or another?

Conflict over the flag been around for a long time. So wouldn't one think that the topic of the flag end up outweighing a single incident. I would imagine there have been many incidents and we are not discussing them.

 

[FlatlandBusa]

Up north the confederate flag is an idiot locator device.

 

[Strife]

From Webster: profiling is tthe act or practice of regarding particular people as more likely to commit crimes because of their appearance, race, etc.
what about that is positive?

Also from Webster: analyze is to study (something) closely and carefully : to learn the nature and relationship of the parts of (something) by a close and careful examination
: to study the emotions and thoughts of (someone) by using psychoanalysis

There is a difference. When a person of color is automatically presumed guilty of something because of the color of their skin is not a good feeling. This goes for all races and I don't agree with it either way. I make my decisions on a person by person basis.

Profiling has a lot of factors. Still not sure how you think I am making it out to be a good thing. A persons attitude, posture, location and yes even color can play a factor into profiling. I guess it can be a good thing to be profiled as a good upstanding citizen. I'm not likely gonna see a guy in a suit on wall street as a threat as I would some guy acting like a punk on the corner of any certain part of town known for bad incidents happening. If I was an officer and seen a group of white males or Hispanics traveling into an area predominantly black and they not exactly looking friendly then yeah gonna profile them as a possible problem. Same goes for the guy on wall street as being a jerk because he carrying a smirk attitude at women passing by.

 

[GNBRETT]

But on top of a government building is in appropriate.
And for anyone taking count, there have been more posts about the confederate flag in this forum there there have been about the shooting itself or about the shooting of the black victim that was shot in the back in that same area. What does that say about race relations?

I don't think its inappropriate at all. its part of southern history and culture. a LOT of ppl down south look at that flag with PRIDE and heritage not RACISM. big brush being painted here with.... "Confederate Flag". and its a real slippery slope too....

I think ppl being shot and killed by a gun has become such a common place these days that were are all becoming numb to it. I don't think it has anything to do with race relations. I think it has to do with reality and the signs of the times we currently live in where any jackass can get a gun these and shoot incident ppl to have his 5 minutes of fame. it seems to be a pretty common thing these days.

 

[GNBRETT]

From Webster: profiling is tthe act or practice of regarding particular people as more likely to commit crimes because of their appearance, race, etc.
what about that is positive?

Also from Webster: analyze is to study (something) closely and carefully : to learn the nature and relationship of the parts of (something) by a close and careful examination
: to study the emotions and thoughts of (someone) by using psychoanalysis

There is a difference. When a person of color is automatically presumed guilty of something because of the color of their skin is not a good feeling. This goes for all races and I don't agree with it either way. I make my decisions on a person by person basis.

Profiling is used every day by professionals as well as every day ppl to size others up. how u turn that into some racial exercise is beyond me..... gets so lame after a while smh.

black men between the age of 18-25 are most likely to be in stolen cars. so obviously the police wud not be looking for a 60 black woman wud they? yea, thats called PROFILING and its perfectly legal and encouraged.

From Wikipedia: The FBI method of profiling is a system created by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) used to detect and classify the major personality and behavioral characteristics of an individual based upon analysis of the crime or crimes the person committed.

The process this approach uses to determine offender characteristics involves:

An assimilation phase where all information available in regard to the crime scene, victim, and witnesses is examined. This may include photographs of the crime scene, autopsy reports, victim profiles, police reports, and witness statements.

The "classification stage", which involves integrating the information collected into a framework which essentially classifies the murderer as "organized" or "disorganized". Organized murderers are thought to have advanced social skills, plan their crimes, display control over the victim using social skills, leave little forensic evidence or clues, and often engage in sexual acts with the victim before the murder. In contrast, the disorganized offender is described as impulsive, with few social skills, such that his/her murders are opportunistic and crime scenes suggest frenzied, haphazard behavior and a lack of planning or attempts to avoid detection. They might engage in sexual acts after the murder, because they lack knowledge of normal sexual behavior.
Following the classification stage profilers attempt to reconstruct the behavioral sequence of the crime, in particular, attempting to reconstruct the offender's modus operandi or method of committing the crime.

Profilers also examine closely the offender's “signature” which is identifiable from the crime scene and is more idiosyncratic than the modus operandi—the signature is what the offender does to satisfy his psychological needs in committing the crime.

From further consideration of the modus operandi, the offender's signature at the crime scene, and also an inspection for the presence of any staging of the crime, the profiler moves on to generate a profile. This profile may contain detailed information regarding the offender's demographic characteristics, family characteristics, military background, education, personality characteristics, and it may also suggest to the investigator the appropriate interview/interrogation techniques to adopt.

 

[oldgixxer]

It's funny but you guys aren't getting it. Do you think TV Land pulled the Duke's because it offends minorities? Grow up! They did it because they don't want to lose customers. You're are so ethnocentric that you don't realize you are a shrinking minority. Heck even NASCAR realizes their future profitability isn't with a segregated redneck audience! You shouldn't fly a confederate flag over government property because confederates were traitors to the United States of America and genocidal mass murderers not unlike Nazis. The stars and bars do in fact mean hate. It was adopted by the KKK as a symbol of white jihad and terror and it was flown over SC capitol in response to the federal order to desegregate. Heritage or history those are still the facts.

I guess you are replying to me,so here is my response..
In the grand scheme of things,how may people possibly watch dukes of hazzard reruns? Honestly,the younger generation has never even heard of that show. BUT,now they know of the show because its been on mainstream news channels... Id go out on a limb to say the majority of watchers are 40-something males who enjoyed watching it as a kid.


So,to me,yanking a show from a tiny cable channel because of an obscure TV series that has an old car w a confederate flag on it seems ridiculous to me&seems like a ***** move and jumping on the bandwagon. Ive been called a lot of things,but never ethnocentric..so thank you for labeling me and classifying me from a post I made about a 30yr old tv program. And you say I SHOULD GROW UP
There was a reason I never reply to or get involved in political discussions online or in person. The one time I break my rule and post I get called sh*t Ive never heard of before.
You gonna call me a racist next?
Either way,Im done here. Never again. I should have known better

 

[Blackmax]

I guess you are replying to me,so here is my response..
In the grand scheme of things,how may people possibly watch dukes of hazzard reruns? Honestly,the younger generation has never even heard of that show. BUT,now they know of the show because its been on mainstream news channels... Id go out on a limb to say the majority of watchers are 40-something males who enjoyed watching it as a kid.


So,to me,yanking a show from a tiny cable channel because of an obscure TV series that has an old car w a confederate flag on it seems ridiculous to me&seems like a ***** move and jumping on the bandwagon. Ive been called a lot of things,but never ethnocentric..so thank you for labeling me and classifying me from a post I made about a 30yr old tv program. And you say I SHOULD GROW UP
There was a reason I never reply to or get involved in political discussions online or in person. The one time I break my rule and post I get called sh*t Ive never heard of before.
You gonna call me a racist next?
Either way,Im done here. Never again. I should have known better

You racist? I guess he does not know your half Black

 

[fallenarch]

ethnocentric is not racist. I chose those words carefully. but there are a lot of racists here that post on political issues. That doesn't get Oldgixxer off the hook though, his non-black half might be racist. Lol!

 

[Don Hardcastle]

Mass media drives all this crap. From racial tensions to flags, to that one candidates luxury yacht (turned out to be a modest fishing boat, but that didn't stop the news report of his wild spending on a luxury yacht and people freaked out over it). If Americans would worry about themselves more and what their neighbors are doing less and the media would stop giving every retard his/her 15 secs of fame a lot of issues would fade away. That won't happen because of the almighty dollar (which is worth less and less each day) drives everything.

 

[E Zurcher]

When I look at the confederate flag I see a symbol of where we need to never go again. A reminder to all that succession and slavery is not what we are about as a country. Symbols are what we make of them. They are also a type of speech and free speech is one of the tenets our country is based on. Take that away and we are on the road to our demise.

The reality is you can ban all the flags you want to. Peoples beliefs are not going to change because of that. Racism does not exist and is not going to go away because of a flag. Bottom line is all that is happening now is people are becoming more polarized and this debate is making things worse not better.

Man, we are getting dumber and dumber as a nation and as human beings.