and i am NOT baby sitting your kids!
sure we will Ace, just think of all the things we could teach them in a couple hours
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sure we will Ace, just think of all the things we could teach them in a couple hours
sure we will Ace, just think of all the things we could teach them in a couple hours
Dude.....they live with Randy....what could you teach them that he hasn't already? LOL
1.)Well, as far as I can tell, no one is advocating a rated G site, just a respectful one. No vulgarity, no need for the F word,
2.)and whether some like it here or not, 10,000 pages of smilies and then so many good topics going completely south with a ton of ??? and
3.)No one here needs to spell out what's wrong with a photo of that gal and a beer bottle. It was vulgar and whether some agree with that assessment or not is irrelevant;
4.) it only ended up here after on a dare elsewhere in cyberspace and that speaks VOLUMES. Seriously, everyone here knows what that action references so trying to blur that line is just childish.
5.)So tell me, exactly where is the "fun" being denied here? We want respectful exchanges, fun and less drama. I guess I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
**Edit** A preface, if you will; Michelle.. I've talked to you on and off for over 5 years now. I've always thought you were a sweetie. No issues with you whatsoever, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you.
1.) I do not think anyone here will disagree with having respect. Again..that is not the root of our current issue IMO.
2.) You don't like emiticons? I disagree completely with this statement.. emiticons are part of the fun.. do those posts take up too much room on the board? Hey... nuke the emiticon only posts.. but I'll repeat my previous question; What was the reasoning behind the removal of post counts? (I know what it looks like to some of the members..see #5 below) but why do it in the first place? Again..a move that is percieved as negative by many, has no positive result, and as such...dumb.
3.) That may be YOUR opinion...but it is one that is certainly not shared by others.
4.) Uh.... no. The avatar that was put on after this one was taken off was the "dare". (ya know...the one that got a member banned? Stick figure?) ......Brought on by the removal of bottle girl.
5.) We are all for less drama, more respect, and fun. Over moderation removes fun. Kinda the way a badge happy cop makes a crappy officer...they don't garner respect.
Some of this goes back to the adage; "do what I say and not what I do". You're talking about "junk" posts.. too many emiticons, threads going south etc..
I start an honest discussion about issues currently facing this board, and so far, there have been 17 admin/mod/cap posts. Of that 17, 5 have been on topic. The rest are thread jacks, and by your definition... "junk" posts.. emiticons and all. So see? Even the mods/admins like to keep it light...have fun.
Not to sound like a broken record..but that is why we are here. It's FUN.
Over moderation, being too big for ones britches, hypocrisy, and turning a blind eye to some, while lambasting others = things that REMOVE the fun.
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I don't mind the rules as long as you don't ban Owen. He is the most fun we have had on the boards in a few months! The drama of the Aprilia 50cc monster bike, is like watching a train wreck. You just can't close your eyes! You have to watch the crash and all of the fall out afterwards.....the kid takes a lickin and keeps on going. Good for the winter time blues.
This is the best board I go to for bikes. I like it!!!
This is the best board I go to for bikes. I like it!!!
Hey, that was a "sixth letter of the alphabet followed by several asterisk-ing" double dog dare, a mans got his pride, he's gotta step up to the plate when the double dog dare gauntlet been tossed to the ground, Why if it wasn't for the double dog, train trestles spanning rivers across America would remain unjumped from, and how sad is that.
You know, I haven't had so much fun since I deliberately ignored Becky Calhoun in the seventh grade when she said hi in the hallway between third and fourth period.
cheers
ken
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Respectfully, my replies are in red below 
**Edit** A preface, if you will; Michelle.. I've talked to you on and off for over 5 years now. I've always thought you were a sweetie. No issues with you whatsoever, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you.
Didn't say you couldn't, but I thought a reply to your post was acceptable; don't recall seeing me say anywhere in my reply that you can't disagree with me.
1.) I do not think anyone here will disagree with having respect. Again..that is not the root of our current issue IMO.
Actually, if you 1/10 of the things that go on behind the big curtains here, you would know we've lost a lot of members BECAUSE of a perceived lack of respect across the board. We are working really hard to get that back. That you don't see it does not mean others don't see it or that it doesn't exist.
2.) You don't like emiticons? I disagree completely with this statement.. emiticons are part of the fun.. do those posts take up too much room on the board? Hey... nuke the emiticon only posts.. but I'll repeat my previous question; What was the reasoning behind the removal of post counts? (I know what it looks like to some of the members..see #5 below) but why do it in the first place? Again..a move that is percieved as negative by many, has no positive result, and as such...dumb.
I love smilies; I use 'em often, but a few here find it a mission to post up as many as possible JUST TO up their post count. I don't know why this became fun, so we allowed the "Any Subject Thread" hoping it would be contained there, but perfectly good threads would turn in to page after page of smilies and even the person that began those threads would wonder why we're allowing it to be ruined with what is a blatant attempt to just up a post count. I'm not against people posting up a smilie as their only reply; I do it often myself, but I don't do it over and over and over again just because I crave a high number of posts next to my profile. If the biggest issue is that post counts were lost, I say in the big scheme of things here, the friends we make, the rides we coordinate, the things we do for one another, if THAT is the biggest worry, well, it's laughable to me. The posts were lost when thousands of post 'ho threads were moved to a forum where they no longer count. It's that simple. We didn't run through a list of members and just opt to delete x amount of posts to be irritating. We moved threads to forums where they no longer count, hoping that if people want to still go and post up smilie after smilie, do it to your heart's content, but it's not making your post count go up. It's a deterrent, plain and simple. I've heard more positive than negative about this new rule, and I'm sorry you do not agree with it.
3.) That may be YOUR opinion...but it is one that is certainly not shared by others.
It's not JUST MY OPINION, it is the opinion of everyone that is helping steer the oRg where we want it to be. If you don't like that answer, perhaps the owner of the oRg can make it more clear. Perhaps there's still a misconception that myself, and others that help out just wing it and do what we feel without talking to others first. I assure you, that is so far from the truth.
4.) Uh.... no. The avatar that was put on after this one was taken off was the "dare". (ya know...the one that got a member banned? Stick figure?) ......Brought on by the removal of bottle girl.
Funny, I know the sequence of events and we can go all the way back to the place where the dare was posted, what was posted here first, what was posted second and so on, but what does that do? It clutters up the oRg with exactly what we don't want anymore. If members here don't like it here, no one's duct taped you to the site. If members want to go bash us elsewhere, they can do that too, but don't think for a second others don't see what's happening here, who's pushing limits on dares and then who pretends it was all innocent and they don't understand why it was pulled. Funniest part is that photo (both actually) would never be acceptable here, under the old rules or the new ones.
5.) We are all for less drama, more respect, and fun. Over moderation removes fun. Kinda the way a badge happy cop makes a crappy officer...they don't garner respect.
Some of this goes back to the adage; "do what I say and not what I do". You're talking about "junk" posts.. too many emiticons, threads going south etc..
I start an honest discussion about issues currently facing this board, and so far, there have been 17 admin/mod/cap posts. Of that 17, 5 have been on topic. The rest are thread jacks, and by your definition... "junk" posts.. emiticons and all. So see? Even the mods/admins like to keep it light...have fun.
No one has ever said we don't like to have fun...they are notand
Not to sound like a broken record..but that is why we are here. It's FUN.
Over moderation, being too big for ones britches, hypocrisy, and turning a blind eye to some, while lambasting others = things that REMOVE the fun.
Hey, that was a "sixth letter of the alphabet followed by several asterisk-ing" double dog dare, a mans got his pride, he's gotta step up to the plate when the double dog dare gauntlet been tossed to the ground, Why if it wasn't for the double dog, train trestles spanning rivers across America would remain unjumped from, and how sad is that.
You know, I haven't had so much fun since I deliberately ignored Becky Calhoun in the seventh grade when she said hi in the hallway between third and fourth period.
cheers
ken
Hey have fun...but might want to reconsider all the "oRg is full of 8 year olds comments" when "dares" dictate one's actions
I first bought my Busa in 2004. It's a used 2003 and the ONLY reason I bought it was because it sounds cool. 
To this day, I love hearing it purr as it idles in my garage before a great day of riding and I love hearing it roar when I'm crackin' the throttle as speeds most people never dream of travelling with their faces to the wind. One of the best sounds I ever hear is the scream of all 162 horsepower blasting down the track at Miller. I still watch that video from time to time just for that reason!
Anyhoo, when I first bought the Busa, I had NO idea what I was getting. The engine sounded cool. I liked the look. That's about all I remember. It was the wrong color but if you recall, at the end of 2004, it was tough to find ANY Busa in the show rooms. Regardless, I'm in love with my bike. We have about 60,000 miles together and will likely have another 60,000 miles together going forward. I can hardly wait!
Shortly after that, I stumbled across h.org and after lurking for a few days, fell in love with the board, too. People were knowledgable, they helped me learn about my bike and I've grown and developed as a rider, a basic home mechanic and, believe it or not, as a person.
Yup. My personal life has been enhanced by participating in this forum. I've learned that sometimes, I don't come off as I intend when I write responses to others in cyberspace and I learned how to better control my emotional responses and to cool off a bit before responding to an internet post. In short, to get my internet house in order. Some of you know my history; this learning experience was a highly necessary part of my growth and development. For this, I'm grateful to you who contributed to that personal growth.
The primary reason for this period of personal growth was the open discussion we had on the board about every topic under the sun. My favorites were those about religion. We had some great ones and I had many great on-line conversations from which I was able to learn. Others learned too, from me and from each other. It was the kind of thing about which I felt important and needed and wanted. Cool stuff, syrupy as it may seem.
Those kinds of discussions disappeared. About a year or so back, Captain declared, "This is a Christian board." I don't recall what triggered this assertion, however, that statement alone was adequate to make it all but clear: If you're not speaking a Christian mindset, keep it to yourself. Later, this concept morphed into, "Because so many can't keep their emotions in check, no religious discussions will be allowed any longer."
Hmmmm.
That was the message I got, anyway, rightly or wrongly.
There was fault with nearly all comers to those discussions so I don't blame myself. As I learned better etiquette, I did it more clean, but still, there were those who felt it was okay to levy personal attacks on people rather than stick to the subject matter. Even back then, I could see that that kind of thing was going to result in a change in the board.
Just to be PERFECTLY CLEAR: I do NOT hate Christians or any others who beleive in god in his or her various forms. Most of my friends are Christian and believe in it wholeheartedly. Some of those friends are here on this board. Indeed, I count you as one of those friends, Doug. Frankly, seeing Christian commentary and statements of belief here and there on the board don't bother me in and of themselves. They aren't particularly offensive on their own.
What they do, however, is remind me, every time, that my own opinion on religion is not wanted here and that my open thoughts will be treated contemptuously and discriminatorily. My brand of spirituality, thought and belief is simply not welcome, that much has been made clear. Of course, I don't take it personally; I believe there is a severe shortage of people who are able to have a rational discussion about such things and maybe you and others feel I'm one of those.
Others have construed my discomfiture as a result of a dark soul in the presence of light. A long time ago, I had that belief myself, about others, but have since learned that it just ain't so. Good people will walk away from fruitless, discordant discussion, no matter the source.
I've said many many MANY times, that a private institution such as hayabusa.org, any corporation, business, home, etc. gets to choose the rules by which they operate. Such organizations are never bound by the U.S. Constitution regarding such things. Free speech does not exist, NOR SHOULD IT. Neither does anyone's particular rights. As members of the board, we get to discover and live by a set of rules pertaining to this board. Rights? Hah! No such thing, people. Again, that is the way it should be and again, I have no problem with it.
Doug, as such, I have always supported your privilege to do as you please with the board with regard to rules enforcement, keeping out the riff-raff, quashing disrespectful discussion, etc. I've been on the receiving end of some of that myself as I failed to control my own emotions and I've had to give up more apologies than I care to admit. For myself, I took those occasions as growing and learning experiences which I carry with me to this day.
The environment here has changed. Nothing wrong with that, in and of itself, but it's not what it was when I first came here. I don't believe it's appropriate to quash religious or political discussion but it's not my call. Such discussions add something to a forum and it's interesting, informative, needed and, most of the time, quite insane in many regards. :
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By all means, make the board into what you want it. It is often said that a board is the composite of its people, its members. That is absolutely true. What I'm seeing, though, is that the baby may have been thrown out with the bathwater. There is a degree of sterilization which has happened that makes it less enjoyable than it once was.
Here's an analogy: Occasionally, I'll start watching an old favorite movie on T.V. After a short while, it often becomes clear that they've edited it to the point where it's not the same movie any more. Generally, I shut it off and go dig out the DVD if I want to see it in its original form. The retouched version is just not as enjoyable.
I think the reason for it is, it's not real any more; it's an imitation. On h.org, before I stopped playing here so much, people could be genuine and didn't have to walk on eggshells. They had to be decent, of course, that goes without saying. It wasn't total anarcy by any stretch of the imagination. The last few times I browsed the forums, however, I've felt I couldn't be myself any more. I feel that I'm no longer able to say what I want to say the way I want to say it because it's taken personally, it's offensive to many people and it becomes a basis for an uproar.
Okay. I can live with that. Somewhere else. The thing is, often when someone makes that big of a scene about something non-controversial, it's because they are not interested in finding out what's going on in someone's head. They are more interested in making that person conform to their way of thinking. It has been said, "He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." --Samuel Butler, I think. Another version is, "Just because you silenced someone does not mean you've converted them." That one or both of those quotes will be found offensive by some I am as certain as the fact that the sun came up this morning above the clouds which hang over our fair city.
The end result is divisiveness, separatism and discrimination. Open discussion cannot be entertained or if the attempt is made, it is done with a huge effort toward a PC presentation which rarely results in truly honest dialogue. Another quote says, "The PC movement is founded on the notion that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." While humorous, it points to the idea that things should take their natural course. It's less obvious meaning is that just because one person believes something is objectionable doesn't mean that it really is. Yet, those who make the most fierce protests end up garnering the most sympathy and suddenly it's no longer a discussion, but a battleground.
I don't make the rules but I can find open discussion of such things in other places and participate there. I'll have to hope that in some way going forward, I can still avail myself of the wealth of motorcycle knowledge here on the board when I need it.
Something to consider carefully is that even though we've been brought together by our common interest in motorcycles, we have other interests and as our friendships grow, we have a natural desire and a need to discuss those other interests. It's important to realize we may not agree with each other all the time but we can still discuss, debate and argue about our differences without hating one another and without losing our overall respect for each other as fiery, passioinate individuals.
Regardless of what anyone may think, it's not just a bike forum. If it's ever JUST a bike forum, it will lose it's shiny sparkly bits and become dull and uninteresting. Other bike forums are like that and they simply don't have much appeal.
I'm a human being. A whole human being, not just a motorcycle junkie. That means that if you want to know me, you get the entire me. You will never get a truncated version of me. I lived the first 32 years of my life subduing who I really am in order to satisfy someone else's cult version of what I should be. Having set that behind me, I can be who I truly am. That doesn't mean I'm vile, inhumane, insensitive and inconsiderate. I've been called all of those just because of my stated opinions and beliefs and been called them on this and many other forums. But you do get the real me. I think it's preferrable to allow a person to speak his mind because then you know what he really is. With a specific topical censorship, you miss the opportunity to learn about a person's true inner self.
Soooooo, not only do I miss the opportunity to show myself for who and what I am, I also miss the opportunity to see others as they really are. Because the rules prohibit various topics of discussion, I can't know others in their entirety because they hesitate to speak their minds. They edit, cull and trim their real selves and you can spot it every time. This is simply another layer in the discussion on respect. I don't expect license to be crude and rude and overbearing. But when I'm not able to broach religious topics, that's when I feel that respect is not being given.
Again, I don't have a problem with the owners of any institution setting their own internal group rules of conduct for their foundation of existence. It is theirs to define. I don't find it regrettable that Doug has pushed to have the board be what he wants, ergo, safe for anyone's mother-in-law. Good on ya, Doug, for doing so.
On the other hand, there is no DVD. I'm finding it rewarding to discover other forums which allow more free dialogue. The only sad part about doing so, however, is that my friendships on h.org grow less vibrant and less fulfilling.
There are people on this board who enjoy my presence. Others who despise me. I'm okay with both. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about others, good, bad or indifferent. However, I'm not likely to attempt to obfuscate what and who I am for the sake of a board. There are too many other such boards out there. Again, some people will be happy to see me participate much less. Others will be sad. I can't do anything about either but will not regret either of them. I'm still in touch with and friends with several people who are interested in who I am, even if they disagree with that. More power to us all.
We all learn by the experience.
--Wag--
To this day, I love hearing it purr as it idles in my garage before a great day of riding and I love hearing it roar when I'm crackin' the throttle as speeds most people never dream of travelling with their faces to the wind. One of the best sounds I ever hear is the scream of all 162 horsepower blasting down the track at Miller. I still watch that video from time to time just for that reason!Anyhoo, when I first bought the Busa, I had NO idea what I was getting. The engine sounded cool. I liked the look. That's about all I remember. It was the wrong color but if you recall, at the end of 2004, it was tough to find ANY Busa in the show rooms. Regardless, I'm in love with my bike. We have about 60,000 miles together and will likely have another 60,000 miles together going forward. I can hardly wait!
Shortly after that, I stumbled across h.org and after lurking for a few days, fell in love with the board, too. People were knowledgable, they helped me learn about my bike and I've grown and developed as a rider, a basic home mechanic and, believe it or not, as a person.
Yup. My personal life has been enhanced by participating in this forum. I've learned that sometimes, I don't come off as I intend when I write responses to others in cyberspace and I learned how to better control my emotional responses and to cool off a bit before responding to an internet post. In short, to get my internet house in order. Some of you know my history; this learning experience was a highly necessary part of my growth and development. For this, I'm grateful to you who contributed to that personal growth.
The primary reason for this period of personal growth was the open discussion we had on the board about every topic under the sun. My favorites were those about religion. We had some great ones and I had many great on-line conversations from which I was able to learn. Others learned too, from me and from each other. It was the kind of thing about which I felt important and needed and wanted. Cool stuff, syrupy as it may seem.
Those kinds of discussions disappeared. About a year or so back, Captain declared, "This is a Christian board." I don't recall what triggered this assertion, however, that statement alone was adequate to make it all but clear: If you're not speaking a Christian mindset, keep it to yourself. Later, this concept morphed into, "Because so many can't keep their emotions in check, no religious discussions will be allowed any longer."
Hmmmm.
That was the message I got, anyway, rightly or wrongly.
There was fault with nearly all comers to those discussions so I don't blame myself. As I learned better etiquette, I did it more clean, but still, there were those who felt it was okay to levy personal attacks on people rather than stick to the subject matter. Even back then, I could see that that kind of thing was going to result in a change in the board.
Just to be PERFECTLY CLEAR: I do NOT hate Christians or any others who beleive in god in his or her various forms. Most of my friends are Christian and believe in it wholeheartedly. Some of those friends are here on this board. Indeed, I count you as one of those friends, Doug. Frankly, seeing Christian commentary and statements of belief here and there on the board don't bother me in and of themselves. They aren't particularly offensive on their own.
What they do, however, is remind me, every time, that my own opinion on religion is not wanted here and that my open thoughts will be treated contemptuously and discriminatorily. My brand of spirituality, thought and belief is simply not welcome, that much has been made clear. Of course, I don't take it personally; I believe there is a severe shortage of people who are able to have a rational discussion about such things and maybe you and others feel I'm one of those.
Others have construed my discomfiture as a result of a dark soul in the presence of light. A long time ago, I had that belief myself, about others, but have since learned that it just ain't so. Good people will walk away from fruitless, discordant discussion, no matter the source.
I've said many many MANY times, that a private institution such as hayabusa.org, any corporation, business, home, etc. gets to choose the rules by which they operate. Such organizations are never bound by the U.S. Constitution regarding such things. Free speech does not exist, NOR SHOULD IT. Neither does anyone's particular rights. As members of the board, we get to discover and live by a set of rules pertaining to this board. Rights? Hah! No such thing, people. Again, that is the way it should be and again, I have no problem with it.
Doug, as such, I have always supported your privilege to do as you please with the board with regard to rules enforcement, keeping out the riff-raff, quashing disrespectful discussion, etc. I've been on the receiving end of some of that myself as I failed to control my own emotions and I've had to give up more apologies than I care to admit. For myself, I took those occasions as growing and learning experiences which I carry with me to this day.
The environment here has changed. Nothing wrong with that, in and of itself, but it's not what it was when I first came here. I don't believe it's appropriate to quash religious or political discussion but it's not my call. Such discussions add something to a forum and it's interesting, informative, needed and, most of the time, quite insane in many regards. :
:By all means, make the board into what you want it. It is often said that a board is the composite of its people, its members. That is absolutely true. What I'm seeing, though, is that the baby may have been thrown out with the bathwater. There is a degree of sterilization which has happened that makes it less enjoyable than it once was.
Here's an analogy: Occasionally, I'll start watching an old favorite movie on T.V. After a short while, it often becomes clear that they've edited it to the point where it's not the same movie any more. Generally, I shut it off and go dig out the DVD if I want to see it in its original form. The retouched version is just not as enjoyable.
I think the reason for it is, it's not real any more; it's an imitation. On h.org, before I stopped playing here so much, people could be genuine and didn't have to walk on eggshells. They had to be decent, of course, that goes without saying. It wasn't total anarcy by any stretch of the imagination. The last few times I browsed the forums, however, I've felt I couldn't be myself any more. I feel that I'm no longer able to say what I want to say the way I want to say it because it's taken personally, it's offensive to many people and it becomes a basis for an uproar.
Okay. I can live with that. Somewhere else. The thing is, often when someone makes that big of a scene about something non-controversial, it's because they are not interested in finding out what's going on in someone's head. They are more interested in making that person conform to their way of thinking. It has been said, "He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." --Samuel Butler, I think. Another version is, "Just because you silenced someone does not mean you've converted them." That one or both of those quotes will be found offensive by some I am as certain as the fact that the sun came up this morning above the clouds which hang over our fair city.
The end result is divisiveness, separatism and discrimination. Open discussion cannot be entertained or if the attempt is made, it is done with a huge effort toward a PC presentation which rarely results in truly honest dialogue. Another quote says, "The PC movement is founded on the notion that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." While humorous, it points to the idea that things should take their natural course. It's less obvious meaning is that just because one person believes something is objectionable doesn't mean that it really is. Yet, those who make the most fierce protests end up garnering the most sympathy and suddenly it's no longer a discussion, but a battleground.
I don't make the rules but I can find open discussion of such things in other places and participate there. I'll have to hope that in some way going forward, I can still avail myself of the wealth of motorcycle knowledge here on the board when I need it.
Something to consider carefully is that even though we've been brought together by our common interest in motorcycles, we have other interests and as our friendships grow, we have a natural desire and a need to discuss those other interests. It's important to realize we may not agree with each other all the time but we can still discuss, debate and argue about our differences without hating one another and without losing our overall respect for each other as fiery, passioinate individuals.
Regardless of what anyone may think, it's not just a bike forum. If it's ever JUST a bike forum, it will lose it's shiny sparkly bits and become dull and uninteresting. Other bike forums are like that and they simply don't have much appeal.
I'm a human being. A whole human being, not just a motorcycle junkie. That means that if you want to know me, you get the entire me. You will never get a truncated version of me. I lived the first 32 years of my life subduing who I really am in order to satisfy someone else's cult version of what I should be. Having set that behind me, I can be who I truly am. That doesn't mean I'm vile, inhumane, insensitive and inconsiderate. I've been called all of those just because of my stated opinions and beliefs and been called them on this and many other forums. But you do get the real me. I think it's preferrable to allow a person to speak his mind because then you know what he really is. With a specific topical censorship, you miss the opportunity to learn about a person's true inner self.
Soooooo, not only do I miss the opportunity to show myself for who and what I am, I also miss the opportunity to see others as they really are. Because the rules prohibit various topics of discussion, I can't know others in their entirety because they hesitate to speak their minds. They edit, cull and trim their real selves and you can spot it every time. This is simply another layer in the discussion on respect. I don't expect license to be crude and rude and overbearing. But when I'm not able to broach religious topics, that's when I feel that respect is not being given.
Again, I don't have a problem with the owners of any institution setting their own internal group rules of conduct for their foundation of existence. It is theirs to define. I don't find it regrettable that Doug has pushed to have the board be what he wants, ergo, safe for anyone's mother-in-law. Good on ya, Doug, for doing so.
On the other hand, there is no DVD. I'm finding it rewarding to discover other forums which allow more free dialogue. The only sad part about doing so, however, is that my friendships on h.org grow less vibrant and less fulfilling.
There are people on this board who enjoy my presence. Others who despise me. I'm okay with both. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about others, good, bad or indifferent. However, I'm not likely to attempt to obfuscate what and who I am for the sake of a board. There are too many other such boards out there. Again, some people will be happy to see me participate much less. Others will be sad. I can't do anything about either but will not regret either of them. I'm still in touch with and friends with several people who are interested in who I am, even if they disagree with that. More power to us all.
We all learn by the experience.
--Wag--
WRONG!!! Those pictures were UNACCEPTABLE by .oRg standards - they always have been. Had I seen 'em first, I would have pulled 'em and would have given a vacation to the member who posted 'em.
Stuff like this is where common sense has to prevail. If one has to be "dared" to post something, then it's likely because it's inappropriate in the first place - otherwise, why the "dare"?! Second, if one has to question whether or not something is appropriate to post...then it's likely INAPPROPRIATE...so don't post it!
You know, the bottom line here is that having this wonderful forum, where folks all share a common 'bond' - the Busa...a place where we can share information, hints, tips, tricks, etc... well, it's a PRIVILEGE to be able to post here. We all have to abide by the rules, like 'em or not; this is not a democracy.
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Wag, both religious and political topics may be discussed, but we do ask that rules are respected when doing so...
6) Religious attacks will not be tolerated.
7) Political attacks will not be tolerated.
We did stop all political threads for a while because it just became such a hassle, all the reported posts and complaints. I think everyone here, admin included, want those conversations here because people do enjoy the discussion, but we need all members to respect that you likely will not change the ideals and beliefs of others.
If captain ever deemed this a Christian only site, I missed it and that likely means a heathen like myself should go...I don't think that's the case at all. We all would love healthy debate without personal attacks. That's our goal...seems simple enough, yet it's exactly what everyone seems to have the most trouble keeping in mind when posting...that's just the nature of both politics and religion, IMHO.
6) Religious attacks will not be tolerated.
7) Political attacks will not be tolerated.
We did stop all political threads for a while because it just became such a hassle, all the reported posts and complaints. I think everyone here, admin included, want those conversations here because people do enjoy the discussion, but we need all members to respect that you likely will not change the ideals and beliefs of others.
If captain ever deemed this a Christian only site, I missed it and that likely means a heathen like myself should go...I don't think that's the case at all. We all would love healthy debate without personal attacks. That's our goal...seems simple enough, yet it's exactly what everyone seems to have the most trouble keeping in mind when posting...that's just the nature of both politics and religion, IMHO.
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I challenge you to find that post where I said that this was a Christian only forum... I too have learned many things from discussions here with others in different faiths. What I think you may be referring to is when people were being belittled by those with NO beliefs calling those with a faith and belief in GOD weak and mindless. I stopped reading your post when I got to this part... When you can show me that thread then I will apologize for any misconceptions...
In this expample that I used is a perfect way to demonstrate why we are making changes.. It wasn't that we don't want to talk about religion but it never fails that someone will make it personal, attacks start flying and people get up in arms... The rules we have posted are the very same rules we have had for 10 years...... You can talk about almost anything you like, just do it respectfully with facts and what you belive just don't call someone else weak or mindless because you dont agree. People try too hard to convert others beliefs and when they realize they can't make the change then they start attacking on reducing the value of the other person....
Find that post Wag.... lets see if it was word for word what you posted or if that was your perception.....
CAp
Cap
(Good post Wag)
Not looking for a fight here but I believe this is what I think this is what Wag was talking about and...this is just a snippet from the post.
https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/random-thoughts/103341-what-we-becoming-we-determine-outcome.html
Here are a few things that are changing tonight.... Consider this the public notice.......
2. Religion........ I hear one negative word about my one and only GOD then just expect your account to go.... If you don't like it and can't hold your words then go open your own athiest Busa forum... It seems there are a lot of you out there! I will not allow your smart alec comments to be a part of this site any longer.
We need to clean things up and help our fellow man... Who's with me?
Cap
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Same here!
I have read all the posts in this thread and see both sides of it! It is hard to make everyone happy and there is a lot of good points from both sides.... I will watch and see how this turns out. Like Robot said Ill wait for the dust to settle and go from there!
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It doesnt say you cant discuss things.. It says NEGATIVE words... This all came into play for the very reasons we discussed... There were a few people that were speaking down to ANYONE of ANY faith... There is no needs to speak negatively about anyone's faith or anyone in general... When you start talking down to people then the problems start.... Ask questions, have discussions but don't attack..... This is the same problem that we have today as Feb of 09 ...... People have a hard time putting the facts into a post without also putting someone down at the same time.... I have had some FANTASTIC discussions with a lot of people on this forum over the years about their beliefs but never did I tell them they were wrong or did I belittle their beliefs... You can have a mature discussion without putting someone else down or dropping an F bomb.... Right? People need to express their thoughts, make sure they over communicate that this is not an attack but what their opinion is....
read it again and see if it doesn't make more sense with what I just posted... You have to have some background on the times before you can read it a year later and it make any sense...
CAp
Question on the reply please: What defines your one and only God? Is this the Christian God, Muslim God, Hindu...in short how should we put that statement in context?
Again I remember when this post came out and there was a lot of issues flying around the site as is related in the rest of that original post. I did take away from this post the Org was a Christian based site only and it sounds like others did to. With that said, I think this is where some of the confusion is coming from in how the Org is now being perceived.
Good intentions does not make for good actions if the message is not clear.
Again I remember when this post came out and there was a lot of issues flying around the site as is related in the rest of that original post. I did take away from this post the Org was a Christian based site only and it sounds like others did to. With that said, I think this is where some of the confusion is coming from in how the Org is now being perceived.
Good intentions does not make for good actions if the message is not clear.
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I think the line in cap's post was meant to be a quote...NOT his one and only, but to whoever was bashing someone else.
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