Release of American POW

[GNBRETT]

if our intention is to court martial him and put him in jail what was the point of freeing him for (5) KNOWN terrorists? this was a political move that was actually illegal and will end up costing far more American lives then were already lost when trying to find this coward and terrorist sympathizer.

what kinda azzhole leaves his post then searches out Taliban members who speak English? a TRAITOR does thats who! fuk him and his anti American father! I'm sure every one who worked with him side by side that nite must be makn up stories. he was not captured by anyone! he left on his own to join the other side. if this POS doesn't get court martialed and sent to prison for life then our government is as pathetic as he is!

its funny watchn all the politicians who tweeted about his release now going back and deleting their tweets after the FACTS are revealed. Obami and his cronies were well aware of the circumstances but Obami wanted to be a hero and release a TRAITOR for TERRORISTS. not suspected terrorists. REAL TALIBAN TERRORISTS. high ranking members. unfukn believable! Obami and his administration make me sick! 2 years cud not come soon enough.

I look at it this way...

"Innocent till proven guilty".

He's most likely guilty,but we did need him back in order to trial him to prove it.

 

[Strife]

if our intention is to court martial him and put him in jail what was the point of freeing him for (5) KNOWN terrorists? this was a political move that was actually illegal and will end up costing far more American lives then were already lost when trying to find this coward and terrorist sympathizer.

what kinda azzhole leaves his post then searches out Taliban members who speak English? a TRAITOR does thats who! fuk him and his anti American father! I'm sure every one who worked with him side by side that nite must be makn up stories. he was not captured by anyone! he left on his own to join the other side. if this POS doesn't get court martialed and sent to prison for life then our government is as pathetic as he is!

its funny watchn all the politicians who tweeted about his release now going back and deleting their tweets after the FACTS are revealed. Obami and his cronies were well aware of the circumstances but Obami wanted to be a hero and release a TRAITOR for TERRORISTS. not suspected terrorists. REAL TALIBAN TERRORISTS. high ranking members. unfukn believable! Obami and his administration make me sick! 2 years cud not come soon enough.

You already find him guilty, yet he is not. At least until after the trial. Hate him all you want. I don't like the guy and the fact his actions might cause more lives to be lost,but he has the same rights as each and every one of us when it comes to the judicial system. He's an American citizen just the same as if it would of been a 25yrd old female who was kidnapped on vacation.

What's the point of any soldier fighting for our freedom and way of life if we just decide "X" American is not worth it. I sure hope the penalty for his actions will be the maximum possible to be given.

As far as the president? What's the country going to do about it?

*edited...

It's possible(not likely) that he have a good reason for leaving such as being abused to the point he couldn't stand it anymore.
We just don't know and until he is brought to trial, we just have to wait.

 

[devious1]

if our intention is to court martial him and put him in jail what was the point of freeing him for (5) KNOWN terrorists? this was a political move that was actually illegal and will end up costing far more American lives then were already lost when trying to find this coward and terrorist sympathizer.

what kinda azzhole leaves his post then searches out Taliban members who speak English? a TRAITOR does thats who! fuk him and his anti American father! I'm sure every one who worked with him side by side that nite must be makn up stories. he was not captured by anyone! he left on his own to join the other side. if this POS doesn't get court martialed and sent to prison for life then our government is as pathetic as he is!

its funny watchn all the politicians who tweeted about his release now going back and deleting their tweets after the FACTS are revealed. Obami and his cronies were well aware of the circumstances but Obami wanted to be a hero and release a TRAITOR for TERRORISTS. not suspected terrorists. REAL TALIBAN TERRORISTS. high ranking members. unfukn believable! Obami and his administration make me sick! 2 years cud not come soon enough.

^Indeed

 

[JINKSTER]

Whelp?...Speaking as a former U.S. Marine?...I find it awfully incriminating when the parting words from your captures are...

"And Don't Come Back!"

Speaking as a Christian?...I'm of the opinion that America hasn't truly "won" a war since WWII...Korea?...hardly...it seems all we managed there was to divide a nation and still have 10's of thousands of our troops along the 38th parallel...Vietnam?...again hardly and not even a war...it was a "Police Action"....then there was the Blackhawk down embarrassment thing where we couldn't even defeat Somalian street gangs...and then the huge on-going, seemingly never-ending debacle in the middle east...and the only thing that might be considered a win was Regan suckering Gorbachev into tearing his wall down....other than that?...we've burned a lot of powder, spilled a lot of blood and made a lot of enemies all while losing credibility on a global scale....why?

Then we also have an unprecedented amount of soldiers snapping...emotionally....lots of section 8's...and utter travesties such as "The Fort Hood Incident"....and now this....and again?....why?

Why are our soldiers losing wars?...Why are our soldiers losing their lives?...and?...Why are our Soldiers losing their very minds?

To this former Marine and Christian?....the answers a simple one...and the reason is because they lost a key strength in their foundation.....that being?..."Spiritual Strength"...because you can have all the beans, bullets and morphine you can carry onto the field of battle but run out of God?...and you're in trouble bud....especially when you're combating an enemy who's not just willing but "honored' to die for their God when many of your troops don't even truly know one.

Then toss in the wild card of the insanity of it all when the soldier realizes that the two faced political propaganda machine is double dealing to facilitate hidden agenda's?...and all coming at the cost of our soldiers getting to watch a bunch of their uniformed brothers get turned into fried raspberry jello?...as they then begin to question the very legitimacy of the mission itself and all the lives they've seen lost and the many they've taken themselves?...along with no Great Counselor to pray to at nights?...and viola...you have "Fear Driven" troops...some who will have a tendency to act out on those fears...as it seems this Mr. Bowe Bergdahl apparently has.

We still reserve a place for Gods name on our money...but we've expelled him from our schools...banned him from our public places...and it seems we never ask his blessings before declaring war....as those empowered to do so seem to put themselves on the same plane as God...as we, our soldiers and our nation continue to suffer their....

"Messiah Complex"

Are we "One Nation Under God"?...are we "Indivisible"?....I see the Freedom....but please....someone...show me the Justice.

My heart goes out profusely to anyone who's served our nation...especially those who have served during the past 1/2 century.

Thank You! Bill.

 

[Gpmo]

I don't think anyone has the facts yet... Especially the general public. Its really hard to make a good well balanced and reasonable opinion on a subject with out those simple little thing. But hey what do i know.


I want to say so much more about the post above but.. well we've all been there before and this isn't the place for that talk

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

You already find him guilty, yet he is not. At least until after the trial. Hate him all you want. I don't like the guy and the fact his actions might cause more lives to be lost,but he has the same rights as each and every one of us when it comes to the judicial system. He's an American citizen just the same as if it would of been a 25yrd old female who was kidnapped on vacation.

What's the point of any soldier fighting for our freedom and way of life if we just decide "X" American is not worth it. I sure hope the penalty for his actions will be the maximum possible to be given.

As far as the president? What's the country going to do about it?

*edited...

It's possible(not likely) that he have a good reason for leaving such as being abused to the point he couldn't stand it anymore.
We just don't know and until he is brought to trial, we just have to wait.

Not really a citizen as much as much as he is a member of the armed forces. And while on active duty in a combat zone according to US Military law the penalty for desertion can be up to death. Not always but they can. He gave up all rights when he walked off which resulted in real heroes losing their lives looking for him. He should already be in a hole locked up and forgotten about.

 

[GNBRETT]

oh he's guilty alright. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

ur really comparing an american citizen on vacation and being kidnapped to a deserter and coward? really? apparently you haven't been keeping up with whats going on. his on unit has been very clear as to him NOT being abducted and takn prisoner. he left on his OWN! to seek out Taliban. thats NOT someone who was takn against their will. get real wud ya.... smh

abused? really? by whom? he wasn't fighting for anyones freedom other then the Talibans which he AND his father feel the same way about. their both cowards! don't u think if he was being abused his unit members wud hav somthn to say about it?

in case you have forgotten or were not aware of at least one soldier was killed lookn for him. at BEST he is a deserter. at WORST he is a traitor! I'm bettn the latter....

You already find him guilty, yet he is not. At least until after the trial. Hate him all you want. I don't like the guy and the fact his actions might cause more lives to be lost,but he has the same rights as each and every one of us when it comes to the judicial system. He's an American citizen just the same as if it would of been a 25yrd old female who was kidnapped on vacation.

What's the point of any soldier fighting for our freedom and way of life if we just decide "X" American is not worth it. I sure hope the penalty for his actions will be the maximum possible to be given.

As far as the president? What's the country going to do about it?

*edited...

It's possible(not likely) that he have a good reason for leaving such as being abused to the point he couldn't stand it anymore.
We just don't know and until he is brought to trial, we just have to wait.

 

[Strife]

All I'm saying you idiot is until he is proven guilty he has the same rights as any American.

The problem is you're reacting with feelings with total disregard of the laws we have. As I stated my feelings on his punishment in my previous post, I'm still aware of the process needed to dish out such justice.

Would you want to be put straight onto the firing squad without due process? Why is he an exception to the same rules we live by? He will receive his punishment,but until then... We have him and we can now seek justice for what he did. You don't think the families would like to see justice served? Now they can! How could that of been done while he was a POW? He is was a POW right?

Take this thought... If he deserted and cost the lives or endangered the lives of Americans, what extent should us "Americans" go though to get him in order to deliver justice?

I just gave examples and you seem to take them more literal. I even put "(not likely)" and you seem to of gotten hung up on it. It's not like there never was a cover up in the military of wrong doing. It really makes no difference what citizen I compared him to. We all the same.

I am fully aware that at least a life were lost. The part you seem to be missing in that is why? Because that is how we handle things as Americans. The way you perceive it should of happened is we should of said "Screw It" and let him wander off to be captured or killed. That's just not the way we as Americans do it.


I doubt he is having the time of his life in Germany right now. I didn't check, but I assUme he is in military custody.

So in case you didn't get it through your thick skull yet... I'm not defending the Man, I am defending our "due process". Something you seem to be so eagerly to throw out and if we do that, then what did everyone who gave their lives in the military give their lives for?

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

By the way they are treating him it is obvious it ain't going good for him.
Almost all people we rescued from Iraq and Afg before were immediately put in contact with their relatives, some were even flown into Germany to meet them right off. He hasn't spoken to his family yet nor is he in contact with anyone.
He will get what's coming to him.

 

[devious1]

oh he's guilty alright. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

ur really comparing an american citizen on vacation and being kidnapped to a deserter and coward? really? apparently you haven't been keeping up with whats going on. his on unit has been very clear as to him NOT being abducted and takn prisoner. he left on his OWN! to seek out Taliban. thats NOT someone who was takn against their will. get real wud ya.... smh

abused? really? by whom? he wasn't fighting for anyones freedom other then the Talibans which he AND his father feel the same way about. their both cowards! don't u think if he was being abused his unit members wud hav somthn to say about it?

in case you have forgotten or were not aware of at least one soldier was killed lookn for him. at BEST he is a deserter. at WORST he is a traitor! I'm bettn the latter....

Me too,
And even if he didn't spill his guts for free, (which I'm betting he did) that pussey would have caved like a Chinese coal mine at the first sign of adversity by his captors.

 

[StromBusa]

lamest trade in history....them Taliban looked like Ali Baba & the gang of thieves... WTF is the potus thinking? Another diversion from Bengazi, IRS, VA.....

 

[skydivr]

All I'm saying you idiot is until he is proven guilty he has the same rights as any American.

The problem is you're reacting with feelings with total disregard of the laws we have. As I stated my feelings on his punishment in my previous post, I'm still aware of the process needed to dish out such justice.

Would you want to be put straight onto the firing squad without due process? Why is he an exception to the same rules we live by? He will receive his punishment,but until then... We have him and we can now seek justice for what he did. You don't think the families would like to see justice served? Now they can! How could that of been done while he was a POW? He is was a POW right?

Take this thought... If he deserted and cost the lives or endangered the lives of Americans, what extent should us "Americans" go though to get him in order to deliver justice?

I just gave examples and you seem to take them more literal. I even put "(not likely)" and you seem to of gotten hung up on it. It's not like there never was a cover up in the military of wrong doing. It really makes no difference what citizen I compared him to. We all the same.

I am fully aware that at least a life were lost. The part you seem to be missing in that is why? Because that is how we handle things as Americans. The way you perceive it should of happened is we should of said "Screw It" and let him wander off to be captured or killed. That's just not the way we as Americans do it.


I doubt he is having the time of his life in Germany right now. I didn't check, but I assUme he is in military custody.

So in case you didn't get it through your thick skull yet... I'm not defending the Man, I am defending our "due process". Something you seem to be so eagerly to throw out and if we do that, then what did everyone who gave their lives in the military give their lives for?

You are correct, he has the same rights as any other American....SOLDIER. As a Soldier, you actually give up some of your citizen's rights. If this goes like it should, there should be an Article 32 Investigation and if necessary, a courts-martial. By the book. If it's found he WILLFULLY deserted his post and got other soldiers killed, or WILFULLY aided the enemy, then they ought to put him in front of a firing squad. The choice to trade him aside, which is an entirely different subject...

 

[mjrfd99]

He's a deserter. Obozo is a idiot. LOL on stupid America.

 

[TallTom]

Jinks. I liked your post and appreciate your view. But I'm trying to follow along with your whole Christian thing. Are you suggesting that if he were Christian, he would not have deserted and lost his way as far as his duty to country and comrades in arms?

And you seem to sort of be generalizing that we have a general loss of faith in our armed forces and therefore we lost our way militarily? I mean if we have a general loss of faith as you propose, then why do we have for more dedicated brave fighting men and women that serve their country with dignity and honor? It's a volunteer military. They aren't being drug into this against their will.

 

[JINKSTER]

Jinks. I liked your post and appreciate your view. But I'm trying to follow along with your whole Christian thing. Are you suggesting that if he were Christian, he would not have deserted and lost his way as far as his duty to country and comrades in arms?

Cool....and thanks...but I'm not "suggesting" anything...and yes...I truly believe that had he been more affirmed in his spiritual strength I do believe he would've conducted himself in a fashion far more becoming of a U.S. Soldier.....fear is a lack of faith...his seemed an act of fear....to me.....at this point.

And you seem to sort of be generalizing that we have a general loss of faith in our armed forces and therefore we lost our way militarily? I mean if we have a general loss of faith as you propose, then why do we have for more dedicated brave fighting men and women that serve their country with dignity and honor? It's a volunteer military. They aren't being drug into this against their will.

In just the past several generations...G.I./Builder, Silent Gens, Boomer Gen, Gen X'ers and now the Millennial?....while the Builder Gens were 66% professed Christians?...the Millennial Gens are 15%.....that's a serious drop...and if it's in our civilian social structure?...it's in our military...and while The Builder Gens came from behind the 8 ball to win WWII?...our current military is the most technologically advanced in the world yet where's the wins?...how many cowardly or unsavory acts were committed by any of our soldiers in WWII?...how about lately?...for instance...now......right here...how about Ft. Hood?...or what about Timothy Mcviegh?...how about "Tail-Hook"?....and sadly?...the list goes on...But it's not just our soldiers...they bear the brunt of it...and sometimes break...how about all the scandalous behind the scenes lies they wind up discovering they are fighting and dying for?....it's a two edged sword that cuts deepest when swung down from above.

They say Pat Tillman died of friendly fire....to me?...he died of someone elses fear.....as that's what "friendly fire" usually is.

Have you ever walked into a wake and feel you know which way the body in the casket is going just by how the people are reacting?...for those weeping and sobbing uncontrollably with disbelief and horror in their eyes?...not so good...but for those who seem to remain composed as though they were content that the persons suffering was over?...for them?..."Death Has Lost It's Sting" and things are looking up.....why?...because they walk and live each moment with God in their heart.....their faith is Unshakeable....they have nothing to hide nor be ashamed of...and that...is the level of spiritual strength by grace alone..through faith alone...in Christ alone....of which I speak.

And if the vast majority of our soldiers had that?...I feel we'd be seeing far less of incidents such as these.

Does that help? L8R, Bill.

 

[TallTom]

Well my dad was a WWII vet and he has stories of acts that were committed in time of that war that would be abhorrent behavior in normal times. They set aside the fact that they were also fighting others of the same faith in Europe. They were an enemy plain and simple. And the priest would bless them before they were sent out to slaughter the enemy.

After WWII our enemy first became a political system (communism) and later to a more recent degree, against a perceived threat to our nation. There is no cut and dry enemy in a uniform that is intent on annihilating us and everyone else that isn't them.

I guess I just don't see the religious component as being a root cause of affect.

I think the lack of percentages are a sign that religion is failing more than people are simply expected to follow it. I agree we have most certainly steered away from God in School, etc. But that has not nor does not cause me to feel differently about religion. I have no reason to fight or have conflict with someone that isn't a Christian. I also understand and respect that this country was built and based on Christianity. However we as a country welcomed all religions and our Constitution supports Freedom of such.

 

[JINKSTER]

Well my dad was a WWII vet and he has stories of acts that were committed in time of that war that would be abhorrent behavior in normal times. They set aside the fact that they were also fighting others of the same faith in Europe. They were an enemy plain and simple. And the priest would bless them before they were sent out to slaughter the enemy.

After WWII our enemy first became a political system (communism) and later to a more recent degree, against a perceived threat to our nation. There is no cut and dry enemy in a uniform that is intent on annihilating us and everyone else that isn't them.

I guess I just don't see the religious component as being a root cause of affect.

I think the lack of percentages are a sign that religion is failing more than people are simply expected to follow it. I agree we have most certainly steered away from God in School, etc. But that has not nor does not cause me to feel differently about religion. I have no reason to fight or have conflict with someone that isn't a Christian. I also understand and respect that this country was built and based on Christianity. However we as a country welcomed all religions and our Constitution supports Freedom of such.

Yep...and while he couldn't come out and directly say it?...Thomas Jefferson (who was looked up to by all who signed the constitution) inferred to reporters at the time that there was one right he felt was a serious mistake...alluding that it could become the downfall of this nation one day...the heavy (nearly obvious) speculation (at the time) was that he was referring to "The Freedom Of Religion"...how can you have it and claim..."One Nation Under God"?

More recently is seems Mr. Bergdahl not only played soccer with his so called captures but he also converted to Islam and participated in AK47 weapons training with his new found friends.

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Are we seeing a trend here?...and On Sept. 11th 2001?....thousands of Christians were reduced to ash right here on our home ground...Christians who don't believe they have the right to end someones life for not converting to Christianity...nor do they think there is a reward of 72 virgins waiting on them for running into a crowded library, school, airport or restaurant with a backpack bomb and blowing everyone up...nor do they castrate their women to deprive them of pleasure or flog folks to death for eating a slim jim! LOL!

It would be counter-productive for me to debate, argue or attempt to steer you away from your apparent affirmed beliefs...but for me speaking as a Former U.S. Marine and Dedicated Christian?...I can definitely see where our soldiers fully understanding what it is they are fighting for and against is paramount...after all...we put them through serious behavioral, physical and emotional training....so why do we omit spiritual training...it's a definite strength from what I experience practicing it and adds clarity to the cause...clarity that has become extremely blurry for some...especially Mr. Bergdahl.

and with that?...I end with this....the lyrics from Rodger Waters song "Sorrow"...

The sweet smell of a great sorrow lies over the land
Plumes of smoke rise and merge into the leaden sky:
A man lies and dreams of green fields and rivers,
But awakes to a morning with no reason for waking
He's haunted by the memory of a lost paradise
In his youth or a dream, he can't be precise
He's chained forever to a world that's departed
It's not enough, it's not enough
His blood has frozen & curdled with fright
His knees have trembled & given way in the night
His hand has weakened at the moment of truth
His step has faltered
One world, one soul
Time pass, the river rolls
And he talks to the river of lost love and dedication
And silent replies that swirl invitation
Flow dark and troubled to an oily sea
A grim intimation of what is to be
There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night
And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight
And silence that speaks so much louder that words,
Of promises broken

[video=youtube_share;tORM1EUmoAM]http://youtu.be/tORM1EUmoAM[/video]

Peace, Love and Be Blessed, L8R, Bill.

 

[Delgado]

More recently is seems Mr. Bergdahl not only played soccer with his so called captures but he also converted to Islam and participated in AK47 weapons training with his new found friends.

What's wrong with him converting to Islam?

 

[dadofthree]

I'm not certain that he converted to Islam given his fathers comments in the Rose Garden, but there's nothing wrong constitutionally with it. Obviously a Christian wants differently but not by force.

Check me on this but I believe the God of those that are Jewish, Christian, and Islamic is one in the same

I think this was a mistake and I think it was done for political reasons , not for the good of the nation.

 

[GNBRETT]

What's wrong with him converting to Islam?

nothn as long as ur intention is to not fly jets into sky scrapers.... there is Islamists and there are RADICAL Islamists. he would be the latter.... unless you believe those he CHOSE to live with are preaching love and kindness to all humans. thats pretty unlikely wudnt u agree?

and this POS was NOT a POW. u can't be a POW when you WILLINGLY decide to join the other side cause ur sympathetic to their cause. that cause being to kill anyone who doesn't conform to their VERSION of Islam.