Release of American POW

[JINKSTER]

What's wrong with him converting to Islam?

I'm not certain that he converted to Islam given his fathers comments in the Rose Garden, but there's nothing wrong constitutionally with it. Obviously a Christian wants differently but not by force.

Check me on this but I believe the God of those that are Jewish, Christian, and Islamic is one in the same

I think this was a mistake and I think it was done for political reasons , not for the good of the nation.

Ya'll are joking....right?....here's a few excerpts from the Quran....now I'm not sure if it's the regular/normal version or the extremist/radical version but it seems that to grow in their faith?....is to become a radical extremist...

“And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.” (Sura 2, verse 120).

“And KILL them (the unbelievers) wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.” (Sura 2, verse 191)."

Now I can't find anywhere in my Bible where it says to hunt down and kill Muslim/Islamists who won't convert...but members of our Church do fly to Haiti several times a year to take food and clothing to them, build schools, deliver hope and spread the Gospel to let them know God loves and cares for them.

Now outside of traveling the globe to blow folks up...what exactly is it that Muslim Missionaries do?...teach folks the proper way to beat your wives?...and their version of heaven is getting issued 72 virgins?....are you kidding me?...and the deeper we look the more "NOT IN KEEPING" with The 10 Commandments the Islamic Faith is.

Thou Shalt Not Kill!

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery!

Yet both of the above are actually key elements of their religion in life and after-life?....what's the message there?...convert or kill Jews and Christians and the reward is heavens one big sexual orgy?...I find many things wrong with this picture which leads me to wonder...what God is Allah?...the one above or?...the one below?..I'm wagering HUGELY on the latter.

My Bible says the only way to God is through The Son...My Pastor says the way up is down...to be humble, loving and to serve people...not kill, flog, maim or blow them up.

At The Last Supper: Jesus became remorseful that his disciples were complaining that there was no servant at the door to wash their feet as they entered...with that?...Jesus girded himself with his robe...knelt down and washed their feet for them wondering if they learned nothing of his teachings...leading by example of doing what no mortal man can...he led a perfect, loving life.

Our Pastor also has a tendency to often times refer to "The Holy Bible" as...

"GODS LOVE LETTER TOO YOU"

And I guess I am very pleased that we do in fact have "Freedom Of Religion" in this great nation because I sure know the ONE (1) I'd like to follow and the many I don't.

Gentlefolk?...we are coming ever closer to the day that the Abomination Of Desolation will seat his throne at the "Dome Of The Rock"...I fear, care and pray for those who are both in and of this world as they will be destroyed with it and I urge you to read, know and UNDERSTAND your Bibles (God's Love Letter Too You) before that day comes...the spiritual strength that can come from knowing the power of God's word and love for you can result in unshakable faith...a virtue that will be much needed in the end times...because the last words anyone would want to hear (but many unfortunately will) are...

"I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

Have a blessed day and a great walk, Bill.

 

[GNBRETT]

Now I can't find anywhere in my Bible where it says to hunt down and kill Muslim/Islamists who won't convert...but members of our Church do fly to Haiti several times a year to take food and clothing to them, build schools, deliver hope and spread the Gospel to let them know God loves and cares for them.

Now outside of traveling the globe to blow folks up...what exactly is it that Muslim Missionaries do?...teach folks the proper way to beat your wives?...and their version of heaven is getting issued 72 virgins?....are you kidding me?...and the deeper we look the more "NOT IN KEEPING" with The 10 Commandments the Islamic Faith is.

Thou Shalt Not Kill!

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery!

Yet both of the above are actually key elements of their religion in life and after-life?....what's the message there?...convert or kill Jews and Christians and the reward is heavens one big sexual orgy?...I find many things wrong with this picture which leads me to wonder...what God is Allah?...the one above or?...the one below?..I'm wagering HUGELY on the latter.

lets not get carried away here. the Bible or book of fairy tales as I like to call it has just as many disturbing verses and advice as the Koran.....

Deuteronomy 25:11-13
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord

Leviticus 26:29
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

Peter 2:18
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are HARSH

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

And people say the bible is a perfect guide to live your life? really? GOD was into being disrespectful to women and advising them they shud be subordinate to their husbands and cut off their hands vs. being treated as an equals? really? yea ok....

and I'm sure GOD believed in slavery too right? Slaves obey ur master..... lmao

eat the flesh of ur sons and daughters? lol

you can't pick and chose what you want to believe in as far as the bible goes. either its all TRUTH or its all FICTION. if its all truth then id say YOUR god is no better then Allah.

 

[Delgado]

Ya'll are joking....right?....here's a few excerpts from the Quran....now I'm not sure if it's the regular/normal version or the extremist/radical version but it seems that to grow in their faith?....is to become a radical extremist...

“And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.â€￾ (Sura 2, verse 120).

“And KILL them (the unbelievers) wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.â€￾ (Sura 2, verse 191)."

Now I can't find anywhere in my Bible where it says to hunt down and kill Muslim/Islamists who won't convert...but members of our Church do fly to Haiti several times a year to take food and clothing to them, build schools, deliver hope and spread the Gospel to let them know God loves and cares for them.

Now outside of traveling the globe to blow folks up...what exactly is it that Muslim Missionaries do?...teach folks the proper way to beat your wives?...and their version of heaven is getting issued 72 virgins?....are you kidding me?...and the deeper we look the more "NOT IN KEEPING" with The 10 Commandments the Islamic Faith is.

Thou Shalt Not Kill!

Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery!

Yet both of the above are actually key elements of their religion in life and after-life?....what's the message there?...convert or kill Jews and Christians and the reward is heavens one big sexual orgy?...I find many things wrong with this picture which leads me to wonder...what God is Allah?...the one above or?...the one below?..I'm wagering HUGELY on the latter.

My Bible says the only way to God is through The Son...My Pastor says the way up is down...to be humble, loving and to serve people...not kill, flog, maim or blow them up.

At The Last Supper: Jesus became remorseful that his disciples were complaining that there was no servant at the door to wash their feet as they entered...with that?...Jesus girded himself with his robe...knelt down and washed their feet for them wondering if they learned nothing of his teachings...leading by example of doing what no mortal man can...he led a perfect, loving life.

Our Pastor also has a tendency to often times refer to "The Holy Bible" as...

"GODS LOVE LETTER TOO YOU"

And I guess I am very pleased that we do in fact have "Freedom Of Religion" in this great nation because I sure know the ONE (1) I'd like to follow and the many I don't.

Gentlefolk?...we are coming ever closer to the day that the Abomination Of Desolation will seat his throne at the "Dome Of The Rock"...I fear, care and pray for those who are both in and of this world as they will be destroyed with it and I urge you to read, know and UNDERSTAND your Bibles (God's Love Letter Too You) before that day comes...the spiritual strength that can come from knowing the power of God's word and love for you can result in unshakable faith...a virtue that will be much needed in the end times...because the last words anyone would want to hear (but many unfortunately will) are...

"I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

Have a blessed day and a great walk, Bill.

I appreciate your hinting to me that I worship the devil and at the same time, tell me to have a blessed day. I see your post as flame baiting at best. Unfortunately for me, I always seem to take the bait. Thankfully I've learned to control my emotions rather than let it take over my train of thought otherwise I'd be posting out of ignorance similarly to what you've done above. I've spent quite a bit of time here in the past talking about the very same false claims you're ranting about in your posts in regards to my beliefs. Some accepted what I had to say, others simply ignored it and judging by the 'tone' of your posts and based on past experiences, I may as well smash the buttons on my keyboard to save myself time because anything I type will simply be disregarded as it wouldn't fit what your church (or tv?) has taught you to believe about me.

Salam

 

[chrisjp]

it looks like the american stigma of innocent till proven guilty is still alive...it is a good thing....except when it blinds you from seeing DOCUMENTED releases of KNOWLEDGE of his WILLFUL ABANDONMENT and COOPERATION with our ENEMY that caused DEATH to our soldiers. this is an ABOMINATION to us in america by our PRESIDENT. SHAME ON HIM AND SHAME ON ANYONE NOT WILLING TO REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE. we as a nation are nothing but gelatinous blobs of quivering indifference. dare i say we deserve the hell the world will unleash on us in our weakness.

 

[TallTom]

There are religious extremist in ANY and EVERY religion. Doesn't make the religion bad a as whole, only the extremist within them. The Koran like the Bible has many good rules that any person of any religion could benefit from. And then they have the extreme horrible examples.

Back to topic now.

I watched his entire squad on TV give an interview. They are 100% that he is a deserter. They are 100% that if it were any one of them left behind, they would have taken death by Taliban before letting 5 of the enemy go. They are 100% that he should get due process to determine if he became a sympathizer or was just playing along to disarm the enemy in order to escape, or etc. Which I agree with. We are taught and trained that if captured, to try and get close to your enemy, befriend if possible, in order to help eliminate them or complicate any efforts they have against us. This is what he should be tried for. I doubt he will ever see a trial. The President will at the least Pardon him. This avoids the whole story becoming public knowledge and political fodder.

What this has also done is now put a price on the head of every soldier there. The Taliban can now bargain for at least a 5 to 1 exchange for every one they capture.

 

[VaBusa]

There are religious extremist in ANY and EVERY religion. Doesn't make the religion bad a as whole, only the extremist within them. The Koran like the Bible has many good rules that any person of any religion could benefit from. And then they have the extreme horrible examples.

Back to topic now.

I watched his entire squad on TV give an interview. They are 100% that he is a deserter. They are 100% that if it were any one of them left behind, they would have taken death by Taliban before letting 5 of the enemy go. They are 100% that he should get due process to determine if he became a sympathizer or was just playing along to disarm the enemy in order to escape, or etc. Which I agree with. We are taught and trained that if captured, to try and get close to your enemy, befriend if possible, in order to help eliminate them or complicate any efforts they have against us. This is what he should be tried for. I doubt he will ever see a trial. The President will at the least Pardon him. This avoids the whole story becoming public knowledge and political fodder.

What this has also done is now put a price on the head of every soldier there. The Taliban can now bargain for at least a 5 to 1 exchange for every one they capture.

I agree 100%, and I too watched that same interview and it is so disturbing to imagine what those left behind when he deserted them are going through now, watching all of this unfold...

As for the religious subjects being raised, it's pointless and just like TallTom said, there's extremism in every single religion...Westboro Baptists have what they feel is a righteous agenda, as "good Christians", so there's no point in or singling out other religions. It only leads to arguments that get us absolutely no where

 

[skydivr]

There are religious extremist in ANY and EVERY religion. Doesn't make the religion bad a as whole, only the extremist within them. The Koran like the Bible has many good rules that any person of any religion could benefit from. And then they have the extreme horrible examples.

Back to topic now.

I watched his entire squad on TV give an interview. They are 100% that he is a deserter. They are 100% that if it were any one of them left behind, they would have taken death by Taliban before letting 5 of the enemy go. They are 100% that he should get due process to determine if he became a sympathizer or was just playing along to disarm the enemy in order to escape, or etc. Which I agree with. We are taught and trained that if captured, to try and get close to your enemy, befriend if possible, in order to help eliminate them or complicate any efforts they have against us. This is what he should be tried for. I doubt he will ever see a trial. The President will at the least Pardon him. This avoids the whole story becoming public knowledge and political fodder.

What this has also done is now put a price on the head of every soldier there. The Taliban can now bargain for at least a 5 to 1 exchange for every one they capture.

Yep, 5 for 5... and it's DIFFICULT to get 5 soldiers to agree on ANYTHING, so to me that makes it a SLAM DUNK. Although one of them did say he hasn't had a chance to tell his side yet...not to mention the non-disclosures's that have already been signed by everyone else involved.

Article 32 investigation needs to be initiated NOW.

P.S. You are correct, I'm certain there are people of peace in both religions. In Christianity, I consider Westboro to be about as 'extremest' as it gets (and even they aren't chopping head off) and they are outcast/denounced daily by mainstream Christianity...however, I'm waaay less confident that mainstream Muslims have that kind of hold over their more extremist elements...you don't hear Muslims on TV in those countries denoucing violence (they surprisingly don't seem to live very long)....

Delgado, I mean no offense. It would mean a lot to me if more Muslims took a public stand against their extremeist elements...

 

[JINKSTER]

lets not get carried away here. the Bible or book of fairy tales as I like to call it has just as many disturbing verses and advice as the Koran.....

Deuteronomy 25:11-13
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord

Leviticus 26:29
And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

Peter 2:18
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are HARSH

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

And people say the bible is a perfect guide to live your life? really? GOD was into being disrespectful to women and advising them they shud be subordinate to their husbands and cut off their hands vs. being treated as an equals? really? yea ok....

and I'm sure GOD believed in slavery too right? Slaves obey ur master..... lmao

eat the flesh of ur sons and daughters? lol

you can't pick and chose what you want to believe in as far as the bible goes. either its all TRUTH or its all FICTION. if its all truth then id say YOUR god is no better then Allah.

Well Brett...ya got me there because it is all true...however reading the holy scriptures and understanding the holy scriptures are two entirely different planes and an open mind is required for the higher one...first one must take into consideration that even the New Testament is extremely old....and then one must recognize that the Old Testament was "Prophecy"....such as in your citing of Leviticus 26:29...which was delivered as more of a heads-up warning of "what could happen" as the title of Lev. Chapter 26 is "The Punishment Of Disobedience"...which goes on and on in detail of the horrors that could befall mankind for straying from the word...and guess what?...that already happened...they did eat...first their feces and then their children...and you don't need the Bible for this...look it up in your history book...in 70AD 3 Legions of the Roman Army led by General Titus laid siege to Jerusalem...but did not attack....instead?...Titus set out to punish them...so he had his army surround Jerusalem cutting off all supply lines for food and water to the city...for close to 7 months...many attempted to sneak away in the dark of night...but were caught...and the Romans literally ran out of wood, building crosses, crucifying an estimated 500 Jews who attempted to escape.

The Old Testament?...really requires an open mind as it was a time when Angels inhabited the earth along with Man...many of them "Fallen Angels" who broke their chains...who also impregnated earthly women...giving birth too what was known as "Nephilim"...which could be either male or female offspring of Fallen Angels...and like their fathers?...condemned...from birth...and a Female Nephilim who's spouse was engaged in a fight with an earthly man would have no problem rushing to his rescue and their favorite move?...rip your scrotum off...now would you have a problem lopping off her hand and not feeling bad about it afterwards?...Because this was God telling you it was okay to protect yourself from such.

But I have to agree...it seems in many verses that God felt women should take a backseat to men....it seems his intentions were that Men be the Spiritual Leaders of their households...maybe he just wasn't too thrilled about how Eve handled things in the Garden when she took the lead....and maybe that's why the vows in many marriages the women states that she is willing to Love, Honor and OBEY.

As far as the term "Slave" goes?...that was a good thing....it meant you weren't unemployed and your master was a boss who had money to hand out...and God felt that maybe it wouldn't be a great idea for us to be rebellious against our employers.

Now...I know I probably wasted my words here...as i see your avatar is Smigel and you claim to reside in middle earth...but just in the off chance that I may have peaked your interest to investigate a little further before mocking the word of the Lord in public again?....I'll pray for you.

I appreciate your hinting to me that I worship the devil and at the same time, tell me to have a blessed day. I see your post as flame baiting at best. Unfortunately for me, I always seem to take the bait. Thankfully I've learned to control my emotions rather than let it take over my train of thought otherwise I'd be posting out of ignorance similarly to what you've done above. I've spent quite a bit of time here in the past talking about the very same false claims you're ranting about in your posts in regards to my beliefs. Some accepted what I had to say, others simply ignored it and judging by the 'tone' of your posts and based on past experiences, I may as well smash the buttons on my keyboard to save myself time because anything I type will simply be disregarded as it wouldn't fit what your church (or tv?) has taught you to believe about me. Salam

"Hinting too you"?...I don't even know you....let alone directed anything towards you.....your offense is your own an I don't watch any TV evangelists...I do attend lots of Bible Study groups though.

There are religious extremist in ANY and EVERY religion.

Yes.....I agree...there are...but for me the difference is...

When a Modern Day Christian becomes extreme?...they will go far out of their way...often times at great personal sacrifice...to help save a soul.

When some other religions become extreme?....they will go far out of their way...often times at great personal sacrifice...to take many lives.

My most profuse apologies to anyone whom I may have offended but I simply couldn't let some of these statements go unanswered since they were directed at me.

Have a Blessed Day and L8R, Bill.

 

[GNBRETT]

Now...I know I probably wasted my words here...as i see your avatar is Smigel and you claim to reside in middle earth...but just in the off chance that I may have peaked your interest to investigate a little further before mocking the word of the Lord in public again?....I'll pray for you.

I wasn't mocking it. I was just repeating whats written. I didn't write it. some story teller did. I hav faith in a higher power. I just don't believe all the fairy tales I've read in the bible. I went to a Christian school and well aware of what ppl think as far as interpretations go and jus like the bible its ones opinion.

christianity and religion in general have caused more deaths and wars than anything else in history.... thats a FACT! if GOD was great do u really think he would let this happen? cmon lets get real!

 

[chrisjp]

Muslim prayer in the Vatican over the weekend with the pope....who dares offer thoughts on this?

 

[Redline337]

Judaism, Islam, and Christianity were all started from Abrahamic monotheism. In all my arguments with people about religion I have only found one Christian who would admit that was the truth, and they all three worship the same god. The "extremists" are the only ones that are actually following the books that everyone else claims to believe in. Most Christians dislike what Westboro stands for, but all the hate is right there in your book in black and white. My hope is some day people will quit using religion as a crutch to lean on and take personal responsibility for their actions. Not because a book tells you something, but because we are intelligent creatures and should be able to do better for ourselves and others.

 

[Strife]

"however reading the holy scriptures and understanding the holy scriptures are two entirely different planes and an open mind is required for the higher one"

This is the biggest problem with any writings. It's the opportunity for different interpretations. It's each individuals thoughts on what they read and the biggest part of it all is the "Influence" of others they come in contact with who do
Impose" their interpretations. "Extremists" are just people who share the same interpretations. How can they not be right and you wrong? It's because of people picking and choosing from a book they gives them the opportunity to do so.

Lets say we impose "Christianity" into our military. Wouldn't that make anything we do into a "Holy War"? We lost our faith and that is why we never seem to kick ass anymore? So the fix is to force faith back into the mix to fix things? How does that make us any better then what we fighting for to begin with? It takes a "Holy Cause" to fight a "Holy Cause"? You have to give our enemy one thing then, they have a good amount of "Faith" in what they are doing.

Ironically it never fails that we start out with a non religion based subject and somehow it found its way thrown into the mix as the "problem" and "fix". Basically what is being said is once we get everyone to think the same way all will be fine. Where is the fine line of becoming an "Extremist"or just a person of "Faith" so strong it can't be wavered?

 

[TallTom]

I consider anyone telling me how I am supposed to worship the god of my choice to be an extremist. I consider the minister in Fla who burns the Koran to be a Christian extremist. Those that play with snakes in the name of the Lord, Christian extremist. The ones that hold bibles and yell on the street corners, extremist. Certainly any person of any religion that kills someone else simply because they are NOT of the same religion, extremist. And Christians slaughtered countless in the name of the Lord during the Crusades. So every religion can be bad if the majority of its members are extremist.

No matter which version of the Bible you want to reference, Luke 19:27 is kind of hard to interpret too many different ways. It pretty plainly tells me to execute anyone that doesn't believe.

So one could use that verse as a reason to slaughter anyone that didn't believe in their Christian God. I want no part of this belief system. If a Christian came to kill me for not believing in the way they did, I would hope I had the chance to kill them first. Killing or not killing in the name of a God, represents no God I wish to believe in.

 

[fallenarch]

Man am i glad I haven't been following this thread.

 

[devious1]

Man am i glad I haven't been following this thread.

And I'm pissed that I have, damitt. lol
I'm almost certain someone here's gonna cave any second!

 

[JINKSTER]

No matter which version of the Bible you want to reference, Luke 19:27 is kind of hard to interpret too many different ways. It pretty plainly tells me to execute anyone that doesn't believe.

No Sir...it ABSOLUTELY dose NOT tell you to execute anyone....that "Parable" (of the the ten gold coins in Luke) is also found in the other Gospels...I believe Matthew called it "The Ten Talents" (a "talent" being the equivalent of 20 years wages in silver)...but the parables were just analogies often times presented in "figures of speech"...so let me break it down for you here...

The Parable of the Ten Gold Coins.*

11e While they were listening to him speak, he proceeded to tell a parable because he was near Jerusalem and they thought that the kingdom of God would appear there immediately. 12So he said, “A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return.f 13He called ten of his servants and gave them ten gold coins* and told them, ‘Engage in trade with these until I return.’ 14His fellow citizens, however, despised him and sent a delegation after him to announce, ‘We do not want this man to be our king.’ 15But when he returned after obtaining the kingship, he had the servants called, to whom he had given the money, to learn what they had gained by trading. 16The first came forward and said, ‘Sir, your gold coin has earned ten additional ones.’ 17He replied, ‘Well done, good servant! You have been faithful in this very small matter; take charge of ten cities.’g 18Then the second came and reported, ‘Your gold coin, sir, has earned five more.’ 19And to this servant too he said, ‘You, take charge of five cities.’ 20Then the other servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your gold coin; I kept it stored away in a handkerchief, 21for I was afraid of you, because you are a demanding person; you take up what you did not lay down and you harvest what you did not plant.’ 22He said to him, ‘With your own words I shall condemn you, you wicked servant. You knew I was a demanding person, taking up what I did not lay down and harvesting what I did not plant; 23why did you not put my money in a bank? Then on my return I would have collected it with interest.’ 24And to those standing by he said, ‘Take the gold coin from him and give it to the servant who has ten.’ 25But they said to him, ‘Sir, he has ten gold coins.’ 26‘I tell you, to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.h 27Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.’”

Yes...The King?...is in fact making reference too the Lord...but the Currency?...was the gift of his word...which was forwarded to us via the expense of the life of his only begotten Son who's blood also paid the ransom for our sins...that was "The Currency Left Behind".....entrusted to his servants..."Mankind"...who under "The Great Commission" are expected to share and spread that word to others and "Grow His Kingdom" while he's away...and he will return....and upon his return?...those who with held his word for themselves or worse yet spoke out against him in his absence and denied him?...yes...they will be judged for such.

Again...there are huge and dangerous differences between casually reading the Bible and actually studying, comprehending and extrapolating the true meaning of the words...and to some?...they may read the words all they like but never get the true meaning...it could be for a number of reasons such as they haven't truly invited God into their hearts and lives...or maybe they are skeptics who lack sincerity...or maybe they wish to abuse the power of the Lords word...such was the case and the script writing genius I gleaned when watching the movie "The Book Of Eli"...(one of Denzels best imho)...where after all the effort the bad guy put forth to "Get The Book"?...it was in braille...the words still hidden from the eyes of his tainted heart...blew me away...Hollywood finally did some homework regarding a religious based movie! LOL!

anyways...hope that helps and L8R, Bill.

 

[fallenarch]

I totally agree on the Book of Eli part. That is one of the best studies of the role of religion I have ever seen. And it was entertaining too. I think I'll watch it for the 56th time tonight!

 

[TallTom]

Luke 19:27. "But those enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them.

Somehow you turned it into giving ten coins to get more coins back. OK If that works for you, then that is all that matters. Christianity was built on bloodshed for Eons. That is written and verified in many history books outside of the Bible. Millions in Europe were slaughtered over Christianity.

"Again...there are huge and dangerous differences between casually reading the Bible and actually studying, comprehending and extrapolating the true meaning of the words...and to some?"

Now you're getting somewhere. You should study other religions before you cast stones upon them. One can extrapolate it any way they need to justify their actions. It matters not to me. They are all flawed by the men that interpret them how they desire.

 

[GNBRETT]

totally agree! lov that flic

I totally agree on the Book of Eli part. That is one of the best studies of the role of religion I have ever seen. And it was entertaining too. I think I'll watch it for the 56th time tonight!

 

[fallenarch]

There is a movie called "Kingdom of Heaven" that is very interesting. The movie is about Christen crusaders fighting the Muslims for Jerusalem. It was directed by Ridley Scott (gladiator). The movie was not popular because it painted the Muslims very fairly; which is to say the Christians were the barbarians. After looking at this film I studied this period more. Jerusalem fell back and forth between the Christian crusaders and the Muslims many times. I found it shocking that the Muslims did not kill the Christians or deface Christian artifacts when they won the City. The Christians sacked the place.