Russia and Ukraine

This really annoyed me our Foreign secretary now a Lord in the House of Lords - for hereditary peers
Not even a sitting member of Parliament no one voted for this ex- prime minister

This guy is evil as bad as Putin , these are the ones also saying we may need ti mobilise young men. I say put your own children on the front line

Citing its good value for the US and UK to supply arms via the Proxy war !!!!

500 to 800 Ukrainian are being cited to be killed each day plus Russians - this is from our intelligence agencies

 
NATO and the wee mini Napoleons leaders in Europe keep saying one day Russia will look beyond Ukraine and go after Poland etc

This is utter rubbish NATO Upping the rhetoric to push Putin to do something stupid

It was a disgrace to see Ukrainian flags within congress to get the $60 billion

We know this money will go out the front door get laundered in Ukraine and make its way back to US Politicians and Military industrial complex via the back door. Shameful
It was never about the defence of democracy it was always about the $$$$$$
 
mark3evo said:
This really annoyed me our Foreign secretary now a Lord in the House of Lords - for hereditary peers
Not even a sitting member of Parliament no one voted for this ex- prime minister

This guy is evil as bad as Putin , these are the ones also saying we may need ti mobilise young men. I say put your own children on the front line

Citing its good value for the US and UK to supply arms via the Proxy war !!!!

500 to 800 Ukrainian are being cited to be killed each day plus Russians - this is from our intelligence agencies

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Sadly......he's not wrong........

NATO countries and the US in particular can expose their weapon technology to combat and not risk their own people....this is not a new concept.

To openly admit that this is occurring will shock people but it has been going on for decades....

.....and sadly in war, people die, it's never welcomed or celebrated but it is realty.

mark3evo said:
NATO and the wee mini Napoleons leaders in Europe keep saying one day Russia will look beyond Ukraine and go after Poland etc

This is utter rubbish NATO Upping the rhetoric to push Putin to do something stupid

It was a disgrace to see Ukrainian flags within congress to get the $60 billion

We know this money will go out the front door get laundered in Ukraine and make its way back to US Politicians and Military industrial complex via the back door. Shameful
It was never about the defence of democracy it was always about the $$$$$$
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In my opinion based on years of tactical and strategic training and actual experience....Russia won't have the appetite to engage any more than what they have taken on......they are using any and all warm bodies to fill uniforms with very quick and incomplete training which equates to their high losses. Ukraine is only holding on due to NATO support....and Ukraine has to succeed, Russia can't be allowed to conquer Ukraine.

Preparing for an escalation of aggression isn't always a bad thing and in many ways doing so is more of a deterrent than anything....Putin knows he has his hands full and then some with only partial NATO involvement, if NATO launched a full scale direct counter offensive against him.....he would lose a conventional war very quickly.....he is positioning nuclear deterrents in Belarus (supposedly) as a hope to present a large bluff to NATO to scare them.

War is not pleasant nor is it inexpensive...the human toll of a war is staggering, the world seems to pick and choose which conflict is worth getting involved with......the civil war in Sudan has been going on for a year with tens of thousands killed and more displaced......we hear very little about this and even less of how it is being supported by the west....

Russia has always been the dog barking outside the window so any chance to put it in it's place won't be ignored.
 
I agree with most of what you say

Except , stop where they are and carve a new border and we can all move on

No one cares in the dombass by enlarge Russian speaking

A journalist went to the border area and asked a young farmer - what do you think of this became Russia

He said “what do I care I want to farm so I’ll fly a different flag “

By enlarge most of the American population do not give two hoots about the conflict - it’s all about the Southern border migrant crisis.
 
mark3evo said:
I agree with most of what you say

Except , stop where they are and carve a new border and we can all move on

No one cares in the dombass by enlarge Russian speaking

A journalist went to the border area and asked a young farmer - what do you think of this became Russia

He said “what do I care I want to farm so I’ll fly a different flag “

By enlarge most of the American population do not give two hoots about the conflict - it’s all about the Southern border migrant crisis.
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In other instances of which there have been many, a buffer zone is normally established in cases such as this....normally the threat of sanctions will force this but in this case, Russia is fairly well self contained.
 
The Ruskies got their hands on lots of western weapon platforms...

At least none of them are top tier systems but know the Russians will have enough intel on how to take out the existing platforms and what their limitations are.
 
Posted 8 years ago, long before the outbreak of war. John Mearsheimer from the university of Chicago

Go to 44:00 for the crux of this video explaining what was to happen to the Ukraine in the last few years.



An update from the same speaker

 
Blanca BusaLess said:
Ukraine today announced this
www.dailymail.co.uk

Ukraine 'fires first US missile into Russia'

Ukraine last night claimed it successfully hit a missile system inside Russia using U.S. weapons. It said the country's forces destroyed Russian missile launchers with a strike in the Belgorod region.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

It makes things more precarious. Looks like the war is now inside Russia too.
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It shouldn't surprise anyone especially Russia that their invasion turned out not be a one sided event.....

Ukraine has hit targets inside Russia before this.
 
michael parris heuberger said:
Hi. Yes we should as soon as they can put Trump in JAIL ASAP. That way the greatest Joe Biden can keep us going in this greast way we have ever gone.
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Did you know that Trump, during his administration set the record for highest turnover of cabinet and staff in the history of this nation? You really think Trump was right in all these differences of opinion?
 
Red05 said:
Did you know that Trump, during his administration set the record for highest turnover of cabinet and staff in the history of this nation? You really think Trump was right in all these differences of opinion?
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I use to fix broken factories, low efficiency, quality issues, failure to deliver etc. Same thing happened to me, I was that guy. About 35% of the employees would be gone, but after 6-18 months the factory would be running to standard. I use to operate with a program called FIFO. “Fit In or F$&k Off.”

It is amazing how many folks can survive a career with only BS, problems are always someone else’s fault, and they complain all the time without ever offering a solution.

Won’t name the person, but actually we have one of those right here on the forum.
 
jellyrug said:
I use to fix broken factories, low efficiency, quality issues, failure to deliver etc. Same thing happened to me, I was that guy. About 35% of the employees would be gone, but after 6-18 months the factory would be running to standard. I use to operate with a program called FIFO. “Fit In or F$&k Off.”
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I get that, but in this situation we're talking Trump appointees. Some of the turnover was as a result of resignations. How many people leave a good position unless the circumstances are unmanageable? I'm not saying it's Trump policies that are the problem. It's his my way or the highway approach, refusing to admit it when he's wrong. It's among the worst of personal characteristics, and certainly not fitting for our Executive Leader.
 
Red05 said:
I get that, but in this situation we're talking Trump appointees. Some of the turnover was as a result of resignations. How many people leave a good position unless the circumstances are unmanageable? I'm not saying it's Trump policies that are the problem. It's his my way or the highway approach, refusing to admit it when he's wrong. It's among the worst of personal characteristics, and certainly not fitting for our Executive Leader.
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I’ll give you that, he is the most unpresidential guy we have ever had in office. However, with all that dissent, the previous Administration got the important stuff done.

I sold a house in 2019 for 600K, it was listed yesterday for 1.25 million. Same house, just a different President.
 
jellyrug said:
I’ll give you that, he is the most unpresidential guy we have ever had in office. However, with all that dissent, the previous Administration got the important stuff done.

I sold a house in 2019 for 600K, it was listed yesterday for 1.25 million. Same house, just a different President.
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I'm surprised that you attribute that to who is in the White House. The rate of increase in real estate prices doubled during Trump's term. He had very little to do with it. I sold my last home in Los Angeles in the early 90's for nearly triple what I paid for it 6 years earlier.
People love to argue politics especially in an election year, but the truth of the matter is, economy wise, it doesn't matter a whole bunch
 
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