Should guns be banned?

[jphilipson]

eh, not really, just the manner in which they are aimed and used. Blades have been used for centuries longer than guns and have a pretty significant body count of their own.

Lets make sure we get the horses shoed correctly - On average in 2009, 93 people were killed on the roadways of the U.S. each day.

Yeah, and when guns were invented, they became the weapon of choice, because they are better at killing than blades.

And comparing driving to a spree killing? I don't get it. Yeah, driving is dangerous, what's your point?

 

[zukracer]

Yeah, that's why police and soldiers carry knives instead of guns. Because they are just as good at killing.

I suspect there's a Marine or two around these parts that would argue that their knives are as deadly as their guns. Its all in the hands of who's using them but to imply that a knife isnt as good at killing as a gun is just silly.

 

[Lurch]

Yeah, and when guns were invented, they became the weapon of choice, because they are better at killing than blades.

And comparing driving to a spree killing? I don't get it. Yeah, driving is dangerous, what's your point?

Not a true statement entirely. Knives make no noise, yes you have to be close, but the neighbors will never hear you stab and kill your wife. BP vest do not stop knives. Most people wont notice or say anything about the kinfe you have and are about to stick in someones back. Knives are much much better at killing.

 

[masterblaster]

The literal interpretation of the second amendment makes it legal for everyone to have a gun. Seems since we started instituting national gun laws we started having mass shootings. Something is going wrong in our society, be careful about passing meaningless laws that take away rights of the people in the heat of the moment, that is how you end up with the Patriot Act, TSA, Homeland Security and warrant-less searches and spying on citizens by the government.I think there are many underlying causes of these sickos, dysfunctional family life, psychological issues, modern culture, lack of religious or too much religious upbringing, men acting like women, women acting like men, government as the new baby daddy, easy living, just general societal stress. I have a feeling it will get worse before it gets better. I for one am not ready to give up any of my constitutional rights for any reason,,, ever. However we have 20 + kids dead today, we need to look at what the hell is going on with these nut cases, keep the left and right political bs out of and get to the core issues of these tragedies. In the mean time say a prayer for all the victims of this monster.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin

 

[Stilslo]

As angry as I am getting that either side is pressing for an opinion about guns, how about we look at the comment that laws only keep law abiding citizens within them. Is there any state, providence, territory or protectorate of the United States where it is legal to take a weapon within some distance of a public educational institution that is not part of an educational program? Someone tell all of those parents how safe the gun laws kept thier children... do we really need to have this discussion today?

Couldn't agree more, I'll save my politics for later. Today my thoughts are with those children and their parents. I could not imagine getting a call that my little girl had been shot and killed at school.

 

[zukracer]

Yeah, and when guns were invented, they became the weapon of choice, because they are better at killing than blades.

And comparing driving to a spree killing? I don't get it. Yeah, driving is dangerous, what's your point?

Everything in life has a consequence and proper use and safety requirements. Cars kill more people than guns every day, every year and in some cases ARE the method of choice when killing people. Make your case for what you believe proper gun control is or what changes you would suggest. Suggesting that they are more deadly than other tools readily available to the general US and world population just is invalid on its face. It all has to do with the human using the device, just as the human behind the wheel of the car makes a choice not to drive their car through a crowd of people.

Guns are not necessarily better at killing than blades btw. Blades do not require reloading, they are usable by most anyone of any age and can kill as quickly and easily as a gun. Guns allow people to kill more randomly perhaps but only because most folks using them like today's shooting are too much of a puss^ to walk up and actually stab their victims.

 

[jphilipson]

Guns allow people to kill more randomly perhaps but only because most folks using them like today's shooting are too much of a puss^ to walk up and actually stab their victims.

So what you're saying, is that if the shooter today didn't have access to guns, it wouldn't have been as likely that he'd have killed 20 kids today?

 

[Skydyvyr]

Is there any state, providence, territory or protectorate of the United States where it is legal to take a weapon within some distance of a public educational institution that is not part of an educational program? Someone tell all of those parents how safe the gun laws kept thier children...

Well said --

As tragic and upsetting as this is (which one of us didn't wonder what was going on at the school where their kids were when they read about it), Gun Control Laws did not and could not prevent it.

Let's suppose for a moment that as of right now, firearms sales of any kind were instantly halted. Coincident with that let's also assume that Jackbooted Authorities showed up and confiscated every legally registered firearm (along with all the ammunition they could find) in the nation. Does anyone actually believe for a moment that this would prevent or even delay the next school shooting?

If I could be convinced that surrendering my right to bear arms would prevent a tragedy of this nature in the future, I'd willingly hand over my entire collection. Until that time I will advocate as strongly I can for my second amendment right to bear arms.

--Sky

 

[zukracer]

So what you're saying, is that if the shooter today didn't have access to guns, it wouldn't have been as likely that he'd have killed 20 kids today?

yes, if he had not had access to a gun he probably would have just blown the school up. He was intent to kill as many people as he could apparently and when nut jobs like that get an idea in their head they will execute their plan. He apparently planned this so I'm certain that if guns weren't an option he would have found something else. Sadly, something else probably would have killed as many or more.

 

[GsxrBots]

I'll save my politics for later..

Do you think Washington is?

 

[MoNoXiDe]

I said the same when the Va Tech shooting happened. If the teachers / students "at that age" were allowed to legally carry on school grounds, I think the outcome would have been different. I'm not saying it wouldn't have happened. I'm saying that less people would and could have been spared. Restricting places you can carry is crazy. It just leaves them wide open for criminals to plot against.

 

[Skydyvyr]

Do these nuts say " where are a bunch of people with guns that I could go and shoot, or do they look for a place where they know no guns are allowed, so no one can appose the.

While there may be some merit to this statement, I wonder how much higher the body count would have been in the Oregon shooting if dozens of people carrying firearms had drawn and started shooting at the original shooter. I'd argue that an untrained person with a firearm is almost as dangerous as the original shooter. I doubt I would find it any more comforting if my wife or child were shot by the person trying to "take out" the first shooter than if they were injured by the first shooter.

My guess is that these people don't really care whether there are others with guns present -- they often seem to take their own lives as they near the end of the ammunition they have with them. It is possible that a couple of armed individuals could have helped this shooter to his ultimate destination sooner and spared some children's lives, but it's equally as possible that in the attempt to dispatch the guy they would have inadvertantly injured or killed others.

--Sky

 

[busagirl4444]

I do not think there should be a ban, maybe a better background check! you will not get my guns. I am a single female who will protect herself if necessary that doesn't im going pull out my during road rage, common sense prevails! so if guns are banned wouldn't that lead to over population of animals that are hunted? what are the cops going to have, what's the military going to use to protect your ass in your own country.

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[Fastfrog007]

Bad things happen, they always have and always will. Why not ban schools? 100% of school shootings happen there.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Dbl post

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

No...

 

[skydivr]

No, TODAY is NOT the day to have that discussion. Everyone can see that the discussion is being directed by EMOTION, not logic. The right to bear arms is enshrined in the 2nd amendment, and that ends the discussion. There are going to be answers to a lot of questions in the following days, such as:

- where did he get the guns?
- legally or illegally
- why was this nutcase spotted earlier?

The real question people really need to be asking is: "What are the root causes of people doing these things, and what do we do about THAT". I think:

- wayy too much violence on TV, movies and video games which glorifies it.
- breakdown in parental control and emphasis on family
- too many kids left in broken homes where they have no parental guidance
- Kids raising kids
- Movement of religon out of the home, out of the school and out of society. I'm sorry, but there's always that feeling of "i'm going to go to hell for that" might be enough to give pause.

The reality is, that UNTIL he commits a crime, it's really hard to stop him unless you catch him pretty much in the act. Otherwise he'll claim his 'civil rights' have been violated...

I'm going to bet money that he didn't have them legally, but took them from his parents.

 

[mr8ball]

This is a very sad thing and I feel it will happen again and again. I pray that it will not. In todays times Cowards like this will only go places where people are unable to defend themselves. To me the only way to address this is to train people to use guns and let them keep them close. in this case as many others if people were trained in a proper manner one or two might have got killed but no where as many that were. I said this in a past thread and still feel the same way. You will never here about people like this going into a place where people can defend them self. Cowards pray on the week and until we show them that we can stop them IMO it will always happen. No guns should not be banned, it should be mandatory that everyone learns to use one and carry it. I don't think you can ever have enough guards to protect everywhere but again if these COWARDS know everyone is packing they will think twice before attacking anyone.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

It is Hollywood fault. When you can't get away from previews to violent movies at 6pm with your kids than something's wrong. I cannot watch a football game with my son without seeing forty commercials to Red Dawn. Wtf do you expect?
Call of Duty played by every kid? Wtf do you expect?

 

[Busa1166]

no


lease: Prayers to the families