mistaforty
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Should guns be banned?
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mistaforty
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so from what im hearing the breakdown is the fact that this person had some mental and social issues and his mom owned firearms that he apparently had access to. If he had these mental issues he should not have had access to the firearms. the firearms should have been secured and only accessible by the mother. that is standard info that is taught in most basic firearms classes.
i dont think its any different than childproofing your home and keeping things out of reach of children. If this is in fact the case the mother was negligent and gun owners should learn from it and take into account the security of their fire arms...address the cause of the problem not the result...a ban is not the answer.
i dont think its any different than childproofing your home and keeping things out of reach of children. If this is in fact the case the mother was negligent and gun owners should learn from it and take into account the security of their fire arms...address the cause of the problem not the result...a ban is not the answer.
DevilDawg1
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One answer is, give every legal person a weapon and "open carry" for all.
masterblaster
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That looks to be the immediate facts, however, something deeper is going on in our society when we have these dumass middle class or upper middle class (privileged ) kids going off and mass murdering.This phenom has little to do with guns and more to do with a problem with modern culture. These young monsters who have grown up in a culture that gives you a blue ribbon for second place and a trophy for last place are flying off the deep end when they hit their 20's and the real world standards of succeed or fail hits them in the face. I am talking about the most recent cases, Va Tech to now. You don't see poor people doing this sht because they had to grow up with life's hard realities in their face so when they hit a bump in life's road they adapt and keep driving on without flying off the deep end. I suspect this is the result of the "its okay to lose and don't celebrate winning too much in fear of offending the loser" culture of the last 20 years. Whatever the reasons, we need to get to the bottom of each one of these incidents and figure out how these monsters were produced and put a stop to this phenomenon.
I hear you and I'm not disagreeing with you. But what do you say to this Mista40: If you have something that is extremely dangerous do you trust it to average citizens to handle safely? Bottom line is you can barely trust trained professionals with fire arms so how can you trust Joe sixpack? The problem with guns is that a person's right to bare arms infringes on everyone's right to be safe around them in public. We have to come up with a way to allow people access to guns as private citizens without exposing the public to this sort of recurring mass killing. I'm not saying I have an answer but the problem is pretty clear. It's also clear that assault weapons are the problem. You don't see people doing this with a shotgun. HOW can we allow people their gun rights and stop this misuse of weapons?
Fallenarch Timothy McVeigh didn't need a gun when he blew up 168 people.
He used common fertilizer. It's not the gun.
He used common fertilizer. It's not the gun.
mistaforty
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agreed and I say there is no solution. u can put measures in place to deter it but it cant be stopped. you have to have a license to drive...people still drink, use drugs, dui and dwi and dwt (texting lol) and people get hurt and killed. while firearms absolutely serve a different purpose than motor vehicles (the latter not even MEANT to kill), the common denominator is misuse. people just wont always do right and that cant be stopped.
True but now we control quantities of fertilizer.
HOOKDADDY
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ppl youalll r killing me thr righr to bare arms its a right if you feel guns should be band because an axx hole kills up alot of ppl you have to agree that cars should be banned because of all oy the dui fatality and drugs being transported and kiddnappings and robberies being commited because IF THEY DIDNT HAVE cars trucks none of this would have happen or maybe the next time a stuner pull a wheelie on the interstate MOTORCYCLE should be BANNED or how about when someone surf the internet for thig need to make something that gose boom we shut the internet down . NOTHING mention make sense nor dose banning gun STOP going after tools used anf look at the root of the problem .not what he used but WHY HE DID IT at the end of the day he was going to do what he did no matter what he used lets REMEMBER PPL GUNS DONT KILL PPL STUPID UNSTABLE PPL WIT GUNS KILL PPL just my .02cent
that dude HOOK
that dude HOOK
If you want to make a statement, you'll find a way to do so even if things are banned/controlled or not. It's a tragic event, prayers for those that were affected by this.
HOOKDADDY
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true and if guns get banned to day du u know what the next headline will read i will tell u lone gunman open fire a kill x-amount and wound x-amount with a ILLEGAL weapon see my point weapon banned problem still exist
It sickens me how this tragic event has turned into gun control. Has anyone noticed that a majority of these senseless kill spree's happen in places were law abiding citizens do not have the means to protect themselves? I carry a gun everyday, from the moment I leave my house to the moment I return I have a loaded weapon at my side. No i am not a police man, I am not a military personnel, but one thing I will not be is a statistic.
gueroaero
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Not all of the killing has been done with "assault" weapons. There have been shotguns, and bolt action (hunting) rifles used. Your profile says you live in VA, correct? With that in mind, tell me how many of your licensed concealed carrying public are in the news each week for these crazy shootings you say would happen. If you have children, mentally or emotionally unstable, or ex cons (even if they have changed their life over, they could still go back to prison for being too close to a firearm in certain situations.So, for their own safety in this case); firearms should be well secured AWAY from them. Look to the AIC in Australia for a look on how outlawing weapons affects society, murder is STILL high just done with knifes, striking instruments and other means outside of guns (which still accounted for a 13% rate as of last year).
I will go out on a limb and suggest a few processes that MAY help with availability to firearms by folks that should not have them. I am not against registering firearms purchased and banning all private sales effective immediately. All sales could be processed by a brick & mortar gun shop, with registration documents following the weapon. Violations and fines can be figured out. Everyone gets a background check, fees paid for by the purchaser. Personally, I think it's whack for a private sale to take place unregulated; you never know a persons background. I would never sell a firearm to a private individual. I believe the preceding would help with accountability and traceability. Believe me, Big Brother already knows what new firearms you have purchased....really, they do.
If the laws should be changed because a gun was involved shouldn't there be some precedence to improve the mental health industry?
mistaforty
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ar 15 sales are about to skyrocket
mestona
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All I have to say on the matter:
Criminals by definition don't obey laws. I don't know how may times the hippies in this country need to hear it, but inanimate objects don't make decisions, need to take/stop taking psych meds, hold grudges, or break laws. I have worked in a psych facility, and some of those people are in there to get their meds "adjusted" after their third/fourth/fifth violent offence. You want to stop $hit like this from happening, then BAN PEOPLE, ITS FOR THE CHILDRENZZ!!! OHZ NOZ! Your busa is much more likely to kill you than my gun is.
ETA: I'd like to add that the fact that the liberal left jumped all over this to push gun control before the EMT's even cleared the crime scene sickens me. None of the people who jumped all over the gun control BS actually care about the people involved.
Criminals by definition don't obey laws. I don't know how may times the hippies in this country need to hear it, but inanimate objects don't make decisions, need to take/stop taking psych meds, hold grudges, or break laws. I have worked in a psych facility, and some of those people are in there to get their meds "adjusted" after their third/fourth/fifth violent offence. You want to stop $hit like this from happening, then BAN PEOPLE, ITS FOR THE CHILDRENZZ!!! OHZ NOZ! Your busa is much more likely to kill you than my gun is.
ETA: I'd like to add that the fact that the liberal left jumped all over this to push gun control before the EMT's even cleared the crime scene sickens me. None of the people who jumped all over the gun control BS actually care about the people involved.
An interesting tidbit on the Oregon Mall shooting...notice how this was mostly ignored by the press:
Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter | kgw.com Portland
Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter | kgw.com Portland
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