Sikh soldier completes basic training with Turban on .

sorry but he is out of uniform. Unshaven and a turban. They teach team work and uniformity in basic training, I cant believe he got away with this religous reasons or otherwise. I aplaud him personally, he made it through what 99 percent of Americans are not willing to, or can't, but I'm a bit pissed the Army is so willing to relax its regulations for one person. Everone in the picture behind him appears to follow appropriate dress code.
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New York: Twenty six year old Simran Preet Singh Lamba became the first enlisted Sikh soldier in the US army in more two decades to complete basic training without shedding his turban and other articles of faith.

Recruited by the Army in 2009 through the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest (MAVNI) programme for his language skills in Punjabi and Hindi, Lamba completed basic training with his turban and unshorn hair at Fort Jackson outside Columbia and became a US citizen.

"I am thrilled to serve with my fellow soldiers and serve the United States of America," Lamba said.

"I humbly believe I was able to excel in all aspects of my training. Most importantly, I was overwhelmed by the support and camaraderie I felt with my fellow soldiers and base leadership. I thank them all and look forward to my service," he added.

Present US Army policy still excludes Sikhs who maintain their turban and beard. Sikhs in the US military may maintain their religiously-mandated turban and unshorn hair only if they receive an individual exemption to do so.

Lamba was initially told that his Sikh articles of faith would likely be accommodated.

But, in March 2010, his formal request for a religious accommodation was denied. Lamba appealed the decision, and his appeal was accepted in September 2010.
 
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Sikh soldier completes US Army training with turban on

Not sure , kinda one of those things that goes against the 'uniformity' of ranks in my mind.
Congratulations to him and thanks for his willingness to serve but I just don't agree with allowing him to keep his turban on .

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I agree
 
I can't belive they let him keep his beard. A beard will prevent his gasmask form sealing properly. Is it just me or does he look a little like the guy with the mustache and cigar in the Tiger Woods picture
 
If the man wants to give up a potential lucrative career, to service his country. what is the problem.

He followed the rules, applied for a religious accomodation.....according to Army procedures, and was eventually given one.

The man followed the rules.....


PS: he is not muslim
 
Do you also suggest Christians put America before Jesus...

:whistle::laugh:

cheers
ken

America before India. Not America before his religion...obviously he's made a compromise in that area of his life.

His head dress is NOT a religious affair. It's a distinction of the Sikh Warrior Class of Northern India. I had a Sikh Indian Major (who became a very good friend) as a counterpart in Africa. Did he wear one, well yes sometimes, but most of the time NO. He just wore his normal uniform (British type) and a baseball cap and so did the other Sikh Officers I was with. And by the way, the Beard is a Sergeants Rank distinction (like their Battalion Sergeant Major) :beerchug:

That is incorrect. Perhaps to your friend, Sikhism wasn't an important part of his life, but the Sikh religion is most assuredly real and quite important to those that follow it.

Sikh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Zuk I in most ways agree with you but isn't it a pandoras box ?
Now folks from others denominations will look to his precedent and want the same , no ?
Will a Muslim be allowed to wear a turban ?
Will a Jew be allowed to wear a yamaka ?
Will a Rastafarian be allowed to have four foot long dreads ?

i would love to see a rasta, face in the mud, trudging forward in basic training, :rofl:


Do you also suggest Christians put America before Jesus...
ken

wow! ok, lets get into some jesus. god has told us that we must obey the laws of man, even if they conflict with the laws of god. as a priest takes confession and absolves sin. he takes the sin from the man and gives it to god. action taken by our men, they are ordered to take action to defend themselves, those actions are to take lives, in order to protect themselves and thier brothers. orders from men. so yes, even god says "kill them all, let god sort them out." the laws of men, and the laws of god.

If the man wants to give up a potential lucrative career, to service his country. what is the problem.

He followed the rules, applied for a religious accomodation.....according to Army procedures, and was eventually given one.

The man followed the rules.....


PS: he is not muslim

its strange for me to see a special forces turban, but i agree with you. he's an american, in the armed services, he's on our side. :thumbsup:
 
America before India. Not America before his religion...obviously he's made a compromise in that area of his life.



That is incorrect. Perhaps to your friend, Sikhism wasn't an important part of his life, but the Sikh religion is most assuredly real and quite important to those that follow it.

Sikh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You evidently didn't understand my comment. I said the Head Dress was not a religious requirement, you can be a practicing Sikh and NOT wear facial hair or distinctive headware. It is a distinction, just like a Jewish Skull Cap or an Islamic Woman's head scarf. So, do we allow Jews or Moslems to wear different headwear because of their religious beliefs or in fact, do we allow Orthodox Jews to wear LONG BEARDS and BRAIDED HAIR ??? . The Military is NOT A DEMOCRATIC Organization and because of it's mission (kill things and destroy property) comformity is required by EVERYONE. :2cents:
 
The Sikh turban, known as the Dastar, is mandatory for all Amritdhari (baptized) Sikhs to wear.
See the Wikipedia article

Also, as was mentioned before, he was recruited. Are you claiming that the Military never provides any incentives for desired skill sets? Extra pay, special living quarters, etc? It would be one thing if he joined voluntarily and then demanded he be permitted to wear the turban. However, this is not the case here. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the US military for providing incentives to their recruiting efforts.
 
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No. We have to keep the standard. If that guy is joining the force, he should go by the same rules that we all have to live by.
 
I don't like it much either, but there must be something that we don't know that would cause the special exemption - and it wasn't for the soldier it was for the Army. I gotta have faith that there was a good reason, but I've also seen my fair share of Army stupidity over the years mostly driven by egos and political correctness.
 
it said in the article he was granted the exemption for language skills. i don't care what hat he wears, or if he has a wicked awesome shaving profile. as long as he's fighting on our side, he's ok by me.
 
No. We have to keep the standard. If that guy is joining the force, he should go by the same rules that we all have to live by.

I'm afraid I just don't understand this mentality. If the man has significant value to our armed forces, why would we ask for his assistance and then tell him that he has to abandon the very traits that made him valuable in the first place? How many devout Hindi/Punjabi speaking Indians do you suppose are willing to abandon their religion for United States Military's pay and benefits?
 
See the Wikipedia article


Thank you for correcting me. I'll send an E-Mail to Col Sahney and Major Sinha and tell them to read Wikipedia about their religion. Because they and their other Officers are doing it all wrong :thumbsup:
 
So, we give him special treatment but no other American can get the same? Are you one of those people that is for Illegal immigrants in the country?







I'm afraid I just don't understand this mentality. If the man has significant value to our armed forces, why would we ask for his assistance and then tell him that he has to abandon the very traits that made him valuable in the first place? How many devout Hindi/Punjabi speaking Indians do you suppose are willing to abandon their religion for United States Military's pay and benefits?
 
so... he still has a towel on his head right??? I bet his fellow enlisted will just say they thought he was the other side:laugh: and cap him:whistle:
 
So, we give him special treatment but no other American can get the same? Are you one of those people that is for Illegal immigrants in the country?

Wow, you got me pegged. I'm a hippy dippy liberal "illegal" immigrant lover. :rolleyes: Would you like to debate the actual topic instead of hurling ad hominem insults? It's these black and white arguments that make me cringe. You see a turbin and automatically associate him with "illegal immigrants" instead of associating him with being an American that's "different." Are you sure you've given this a lot of thought?

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Thank you for correcting me. I'll send an E-Mail to Col Sahney and Major Sinha and tell them to read Wikipedia about their religion. Because they and their other Officers are doing it all wrong
The chances of Wikipedia being correct and your friends being wrong are fairly likely. Just because one or two people you know seem to think it's optional, and a Wikipedia article, edited and viewed by thousands of potential critics could be wrong....well, it's probably in the realm of lottery odds.

I'm sure your friends are great people, but the evidence to the contary is simply overwhelming.

And if you don't care for Wikipedia, here's other resources.

Why do Sikhs wear Turbans?
Why do Sikhs wear a turban. What does it mean to them?
CanTeach: Religions: Sikhism - The Sikh Turban
 
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So, we give him special treatment but no other American can get the same? Are you one of those people that is for Illegal immigrants in the country?

he's a citizen now bud, they swear in just prior to the completion of graduation
 
America before India. Not America before his religion...obviously he's made a compromise in that area of his life.

I'm assuming he's an American citizen, so there would be no reason for him to put India ahead of America.

Not all Sikh's are Indians and not all Indians are Sikhs.

Do you believe American Citizens who have Italian heritage are are conflicted in that they might put Italy ahead of America?

cheers
ken
 
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