Skin Color under the Helmet

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Actually I have read alot of articles that they had a working demo of that bike in Japan, but I don't know if anything was accomplished with it or not. I want to get the exact same sticker scheme on my busa because it's red/black I think it would be cool...it's good to see some anime fans on the board. rock on!
 
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yep, i agree.  it's 2005, in the greatest country in the world and still a lot of hate based on skin color alone.  ever heard of the term "JAP" bike.  it's term that represent hatred but people still use it quite a bit w/o any concerns about their fellow americans.  it's as bad as calling a bike from africa "******" bike if there were bikes imported from that area of the world.  

it's sad but true.
well could say, that someone white is white trash trailor trash whats the difference, it is a negative lable like jap, ****** ect... just that it is okay to say it about white people and acceptable, but not acceptable to say same equivalent about another race, hmmmmm kinda double standard we have all been desensatized too all in the glorious name of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
re-read my post,

i did not say, it's okay to call a white person "white trash". i was trying to say that you should not use racial slurs that bothers your fellow americans, regardless of which skin color americans they are.

there are alot of negative racial slurs out there but i brought the term, "JAP" because it's been use quite a bit in the bike world by people that doesn't give damn whether it bothers their fellow americans or not.

it's not about political correctness, it's about hate, when people use those racial slurs toward others because they look different.
 
I don't believe any thinking person would argue that racism doesn't exist.  It clearly does and it's a horrible thing.  The arguement would be which is the greater of two evils...

In our warped society racism has become politically correct and is an incredibly powerful force, politically and monetarily.  Not for the person(s) to whom the finger of accusation is pointed, but rather, for the person(s) from whom the accusation of racism comes.  It has become not only an excuse for socially negative behaviors of all sorts, but an excuse for a lack of socially positive behaviors as well.  It has become an excuse for those devoid of personal responsibility.  It has become an excuse for decrying any unwanted outcome.  It has led to the guilty walking free and the innocent being condemned.  It feeds a self pity that skews perception.  And it's self-perpetuating.

No question that racism is a blotch on the heart of a man, but it's become a tool as well.

So which is worse, the former or the latter...
It is a good tool to use on someone you want to discredit, think about it, just the accusation thats your a racists. Can really eliminate compatition, someone in your way, now you can get that promotion, or revealing they are now your concidered a politically correct person for revealing it, so it destroys someone big deal go you that promotion, or put you in the spot light ect... It is a very very good weapon to use today in this day in age. And to think people do this and all. sad but another little politically correct thing to do, what a bunch of warped people, but then when will it stop. also how do you know whats trueth or fact or whats being said to say it to discredit someone for a gain? Cannot tell anymore. Things black people can say but a white person even breaths it thier labeled now.
I guess you didn't read the article entirely before posting your reply. The reporter wrote that there are documented actions BY the city and state government that were designed to specifically "address" the Black Bike Festival by doubling police presence, blocking off a main street to one way, local businesses closing in the area of the BBF, etc... Hell, even the local waitress confirmed the racist mentality in the area. HOW MUCH MORE BLANTANCY do you need??

If in this case, you were right, that Jessie, Al or whoever was falsely "crying wolf", how do you explain the actions taken by the city and state government, the actions of the local businesses, the waitress' statement???

Fakk2, you need to get your head out of the sand. It may hurt your pride to admit it, but it's reality: In this day and age, there are still whites that are very prejudice against non-whites. And yes, there are plenty of non-whites that exhibit racism as well. But if you compare it to the longer history of racist dominancy by the whites, you can almost say that the racist sentiment practiced by non-whites against whites are almost a reactionary effect, therefore somewhat as a defensive strategy if you will. Hence, you may have the formation of self-segregated associations and events.

But the funny thing is, I've been to plenty of these race "specific" events while I'm not of that ethnicity. And each and every single time, I felt obviously welcome at best, but NOT discriminated like I shouldn't be there AT WORST. But I'll tell you this, in the non-race label specific events that are predominately white (Like some last bikeshow that was mainly Harley and choppers at Long Beach CA), I can feel eyes on my back like I shouldn't be there, like the only reason I should be there is to deliver fast Chinese food since I'm obviously Asian.

Fakk2, I'm not accusing you of being a racist, but I AM accusing you of being in denial! Next, you'll going to say that the Jewish Halocaoust didn't really happen in WWII!! That it was all a proproganda spun up by the bleeding heart liberals, etc...

I maybe wrong, but I do think you ARE white. Nothing wrong with that. But you should try to really experience what it is like on this side of the fence before you accuse people of victimizing themselves. And I don't mean your last brief trip to your local black neighborhood for 30 minutes either. Try Iraq or Iran or any one of those middle east countries there for a few years. Those guys are the kings of racist, they hate everyone that are none Muslim, and even other Muslims from a neighboring country. But they would hate you as a white American even more.
 
My only comment is that this shouldnt be a surprise to anyone unless you have been living in a cave. Although things have gotten a lot better in some instances, there are others that are even worse. just one mans opinion
 
Fakk2, don't you read??? I'm not accusing you of being a bigot. I'm accusing you of being in denial of the existing racism that still exist, from people of all ethnicities.

I even went to college with some white guys that are racist against whites and would only hang out with blacks, mexicans, asians.... In fact, this guy, Mike that rides a R6, that I know of is white and would not hang out with whites. He married a Phillipine girl.

You could be a cool guy, and at least on my end I could sit down with you and drink scotch debating this issue and still go for a ride. But it seems to me that you only see that other non-whites are racist against whites and that whites are no longer racist against non-whites. Just open your eyes and see it.

If us Busa / Bike riders can change the world with our unity of the bikers' bond to wipe out racism, I'm sure that the grand majority would. But that's not going to happen. But what we can do is acknowledge it and recognize it.

By the way, don't know why you threw in the "Catholic" play, but just to squash that, I'm a "recovering" Catholic myself. Grew up in NYC going to Sunday school at the Church of Transfiguration while my mother attended 11am Mass each and every Sunday. So your shot in the dark just bounced back at you.
 
I'm not touching the racists part of this thread, that said;

1)"Some buisnesses close"  I lived in Daytona, and witnessed how BCR(Black College Reunion) is more destructive to hotels than spring break(the next worse), Rolex race week, Daytona 500 week, Turkey rod run, Pepsi 400 race week, bike week, Biketoberfest, and a couple other special events.  Its about hotels/restrauants making a profit.  If the owner of a hotel wants to close it so it doesn't get damaged(as they have in the past), its his/her right!  They're not closing it because of race, they're closing it because of money.  If they closed it to only blacks, then they would be racist.  Since they're closing it completely(to everyone), they're closing it to all.  Of course there are always a few racist hotel/restraunt owners, you can't get around that(human nature).

2)"more police"  If events have gotten out of hand in the past and the police do not prepare for it the next year, who do you think is going to get the blame??  If the police let people hurt themselves or others, the police department gets sued.  If the police department tightens up on an event know to cause harm to people or property, then they're racists.  Not really fair is it??  Of course there are always a few in the police departent that are racists, you can't get around that(human nature).

3. The press.  News articles are almost always sensationalized.  The press pushes the public's buttons to make money.  Notice the only waitress that was quoted, had a very provactive statement that I'm POSITIVE does not reflect what other people think.  I'm sure there are people who could care less about Black Bike week that live there.  And granted sometimes the press reports objectively.

Just don't be so quick to assume its only racism.  Sometimes there are reasonable factors.  Money, liability, and the sensationalizing press all very reasonable to me.



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I can't agree that it's "human nature" to be racist or a bigot. It's environmental or 'Societal' nature. You think the grand majority of grade school kids care what color their friends are? Who they play with? Who they hold hands with crossing the street during a field trip? They/we didn't learn to start 'seeing' colors until junior high or high school.

On the subject of businesses closing to minimize or avoid costly damages. I agree 100% if there's a experience of it in the past, regardless of what the event is. Businesses are in the business to make money, not lose money. But we don't know if the previous BBF event has caused anymore or less damages to business in the past.

I care about color, that is the only I care about is GREEN = $$$. Just like I told some black customer that accused me of racism while I was working part-time at Pizza Hut during college. Had to ask him to pull out a dollar bill to show me, and all I did was point at that bill in his hand and emphasis that's the only color I see.

Anyone seen that older movie "My Dog Spot"? I loved that movie, got me all choked up at the end. But there was a part in the movie where the narrater said in some respect, "Spot, like all dogs are smarter. They're color blind and don't care who they play with." Words of wisdom.
 
I can't agree that it's "human nature" to be racist or a bigot.  It's environmental or 'Societal' nature.  You think the grand majority of grade school kids care what color their friends are?  Who they play with?  Who they hold hands with crossing the street during a field trip?  They/we didn't learn to start 'seeing' colors until junior high or high school.
Whatever you want to call it, you got the point. There will always be racist people, just like thieves, murders, rapists, etc.. Hopefully we can raise our children better to reduce the numbers...
 
I'm not touching the racists part of this thread, that said;

1)"Some buisnesses close"  I lived in Daytona, and witnessed how BCR(Black College Reunion) is more destructive to hotels than spring break(the next worse), Rolex race week, Daytona 500 week, Turkey rod run, Pepsi 400 race week, bike week, Biketoberfest, and a couple other special events.  Its about hotels/restrauants making a profit.  If the owner of a hotel wants to close it so it doesn't get damaged(as they have in the past), its his/her right!  They're not closing it because of race, they're closing it because of money.  If they closed it to only blacks, then they would be racist.  Since they're closing it completely(to everyone), they're closing it to all.  Of course there are always a few racist hotel/restraunt owners, you can't get around that(human nature).

2)"more police"  If events have gotten out of hand in the past and the police do not prepare for it the next year, who do you think is going to get the blame??  If the police let people hurt themselves or others, the police department gets sued.  If the police department tightens up on an event know to cause harm to people or property, then they're racists.  Not really fair is it??  Of course there are always a few in the police departent that are racists, you can't get around that(human nature).

3. The press.  News articles are almost always sensationalized.  The press pushes the public's buttons to make money.  Notice the only waitress that was quoted, had a very provactive statement that I'm POSITIVE does not reflect what other people think.  I'm sure there are people who could care less about Black Bike week that live there.  And granted sometimes the press reports objectively.

Just don't be so quick to assume its only racism.  Sometimes there are reasonable factors.  Money, liability, and the sensationalizing press all very reasonable to me.
I 've been following this thread closely.
Charlesbusa, you nailed it on the head. Why would the city pay for more cops, and endure business closings that pay those cops if there wasn't a problem. Who gives a sh*t if the skin is white, black, yellow or red. At the end of the day the Mayor on down has to make sure that revenue is being generated to fund the city budget. If it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. Let's not split atoms here.
 
I was very hesitant to respond to this thread, however, it amazes me how some people speak about "White bike week", "Asian bike week", etc....It is so easy for many of you who have never ever experienced racism to mentioned "Why Black Bike Week, Why not just Bike Week", etc. Until you have walked in my shoes or the shoes of some of the others who have experience racism by so called "Americans", you or no one else can question the name "Black Bike Week". I guess the next thing you will want to repel Affirmative Action. This thread just affirms that we still haven't gotten anywhere as a society. Racism still exists. It hasn't gone anywhere. It's not as visible.
 
This reminds me of a conversation I had some years ago (early 90’s).  I was at a local car wash (El Paso, TX) and approached by this guy.  It turned out that he was a foreign student attending the University of Texas at El Paso.  He was from Africa.  Now, I think the perception of Africa during this time was of a racially divided land (Mandela, South Africa, etc.).  He questioned me about racial discrimination.  I’m thinking you’re from Africa and you need to ask me about racial discrimination.  He was from a part of Africa where he did not experience racial prejudice.  And yes, there were many whites and blacks.  I was shocked and enlightened at the same time that a place exists.  Well, there was one part of our conversation that has always stood out and I repeat it often.  In his native land, if someone witnessed a crime and had to provide a description, they would probably start with (he was 5’10â€â€¦ weighed about 190 lbs…etc.etc.etc).  Whereas in the United States of America, we would probably start with (he was white…or he was black…etc.etc.etc).  The point that I am trying to make is that in his land, they did not see color first, a somewhat colorblind society. Here in the USA, we (or most of us) see color first than American second.  

As far as BBW, I haven’t been there but would like to attend someday, as with Daytona Bike Week, not Sturgis.  Does the name have some sort of historical reference?  Is this being promoted as a black only event?  Personally, I did not associate BBW with being black as much as I associated it with sportbikes (which includes all races).  I could be in the minority here, but that was my personal feeling.  Of course, those who have attended these events would know more.  

As for racially segregated events, they are all a form of discrimination based on perception and threat.  Let me explain.  If a group decided to have a 65 and over sportbike rally, no one would think twice.  Why, because they are a minority and we would not feel threatened.  Now, if someone decided to have a White Bike Week, it would be looked at differently because they make up the majority.  Is there any difference between the two events?  Not really, but society, news media, and those external to the event would see them differently.  And of course WBW would command all of the attention.
 
Ummmm geesh ladies.

You have BIKE WEEK.

Then you have BLACK BIKE WEEK.


Never ever ever heard of a WHITE BIKE WEEK.

Bike week was and is mostly harley focused. Its just an open invitation to have your bike stolen nowdays anyway.

BLACK BIKE WEEK was made with focus on NON HARLEYS, not their owners. Ever heard of being "BLACK BALLED"? Similiar concept.

I think someone here is too worried about the goberment trying to keep a brother down. BTW I am officially among the nation's LEAST appreciated, LEAST cared for and LEAST provided for minority. The post-teen pre-middle aged WHITE MALE.

Why can EVERY Race but whites receive benefits from the NAACP but its not considered racist? The NAACP will allow me to be a contributing member BUT my kids will NEVER be eligible for scholarships, grants etc because they are WHITE. Racism and discrimmination is its PUREST form.
 
Completely, stupid but, I got a stupid question, why do some races require a seperate event, and other races if they had a seperate even based on their skin color they would be considered racists/biggots? I thought Bikers as a general term that covers ALL Bikers not just a black biker event or a white biker event? Would a White Bike Week event be ok, or would that be too racist? Just wondering and all as I said above, I thought Bikers ment just that as this post refers too... color of bike and helmet not the color of th skin of who's riding?
The reason there ever is a "Black" anything is because every other traditional event is considered "White" and people of color weren't allowed. So African Americans in the past decided, you won't allow me at your event, I'll create my own. If bikers of color could have riden any where at any time, there would not have been a need for a "Black Bike Week".
 
naacp is an organization.... if they wanted, they could make devil worship a requirement too.
yeah man and so is the KKK. Still doesn't make it right and I have a real problem with my tax money being used and/or spent on allowing such rallies etc to occur. And we won't even begin to discuss hidden or political donations to the NAACP. We are a nation as a whole. My nation's cash should ONLY be spent on orginations that equally allow all citizens.
 
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