So I noticed a few things about my bike...And getting frustrated with searching.

[rashad]

cable play? if i hold the throttle steady it still lurches.. I noticed the same thing on a tl1000 years ago and after research thats what everyone said..

I will look into syncing the tbs though.. i appreciate all your help guys.

But seriously...If you read on ivan's site, the TRE is NOT for top end timing! Where are you guys getting that?

 

[Strife]

Buy the TRE. Put it on. Let us know how you make out.

 

[RedFalco]

ok guys thanks that helps a little more...

So I will fix the front brakes Wow what I didnt even realize would have hurt me...

Its funny you said about the throttle busa whipped.... I cant seem to adjust it right. IT either has too much slack or it sort of sticks (maybe i need to lube them).. Also I noticed two throttle cables going to it???

The low speed throttle stuff is annoying. I really wanna try the TRE.. but if its just a resistor why spend the bucks on the $100 resistor?

I've got a "SMART Switchable TRE" that I bought off feebay about a year ago for my GEN1. Your welcome to it, just pay shipping.
I've removed it since many nitrous upgrades that incorperates the same theory.
LMK

 

[ibified]

hey schism, ill take that plate frame off your hands if you dont want it...


Seriously though, do you really think we're all here trying to steer you WRONG? nobody wants to do that here, i assure you. Listen to a lot of folks who are giving you a lot of good (not to mention free) knowledge here.

Definitely start with the issues you KNOW you have, like the front brakes. Get a good tune on it, find out what all has been modified on it (if you can), see what you can get back to stock and what you cant.

if you still want a TRE, then go for it. I'll tell you this though, I have the smart TRE like schism has in the pic, and i usually leave mine in the "off" setting, as it makes it a lot more rider friendly bike for in-town riding. Just my $.02, take it for what its worth.

 

[rashad]

ibified, thank you.. its not that i dont believe you guys... and i do appreciate it..

But I am getting so much conflicting info!! Is Ivans a credible source for busas? He is quoted on here as one quite a bit...

Also the suzuki low rpm timing issue is on EVERY suzuki sportbike site! This thread literally is blowing my mind... Im more confused than i was before..

So you say that your TRE, which stops the computer from pulling timing at low rpms.. actually makes it rougher around town? I cant imagine these bikes being more twitchy than factory... Its like I have an on/off switch for a throttle...

Btw the gixxer 600 my bud has did the same thing as the busa.. and a 750 I rode a few years ago did the same thing as well.. the tl1000r my other friend had.. same thing. it would wheelie on accident due to the throttle being so unstable. checked tlplanet and they said... yep, do the TRE!

The blackbird I rode had the best fueling ive ever seen on a bike...

 

[Strife]

Previous owner of your bike might of Modded it to where the lower rpm's are hurt so it can preform betting in the upper rpm's. See if he did things like the air box mod. Heck he might of did random Mods without a proper tune making it worse under 3k rpm.

In one of my previous posts I stated Busa don't like to be ridden under 2.5-3k rpm. 2 posts later you asked if anyone of us knew about the zuk low rpm twitch. Are you just glancing at we we telling you? 2.5 is lowest cruising speed I go on mine. I've ridden under it,but never felt like needed to ride the clutch. You don't need to be in 6th gear doing 30mph.

Like I said buy the Tre, put it on and let us know how it turns out one way or the other. People buy and sell them all day long on here(one offering for free) so if you don't like it you can prob sell it for close to what you paid.

Probably a silly question,but did you check to see if it has a TRE already hooked up? It's possible.

Have fun and good luck.

 

[Schism]

hey schism, ill take that plate frame off your hands if you dont want it...


Seriously though, do you really think we're all here trying to steer you WRONG? nobody wants to do that here, i assure you. Listen to a lot of folks who are giving you a lot of good (not to mention free) knowledge here.

Definitely start with the issues you KNOW you have, like the front brakes. Get a good tune on it, find out what all has been modified on it (if you can), see what you can get back to stock and what you cant.

if you still want a TRE, then go for it. I'll tell you this though, I have the smart TRE like schism has in the pic, and i usually leave mine in the "off" setting, as it makes it a lot more rider friendly bike for in-town riding. Just my $.02, take it for what its worth.

sorry boss, i through it in the bag of goods for rashad.

 

[suzuki4life]

another thread I disagree with most info on....


sounds like you bought an ex wanna be race bike.

Buy some stainless lines, another rotor and some DOT4 fluid and put it back to at least stock.


NEXT.....lift the tank and check a few things

check to see if anyone has been hacking on your airbox.

second, look and see if anyone has messed with or removing your PAIR valve.

What RPM are you idling at? 1100?

I am betting one of many things....the airbox is hacked or leaking and it is playing a part in your rpm and idle issue

OR

you have a vacuum leak, one of the lines off the tb's or the pair valve assembly


hard to do this without seeing the bike.

 

[rashad]

will do. I just bled the clutch today.. couldve lifted the tank while i was in there... but I need some longer/better allen wrenches to get better torque.

MY GOD that was a catastrophe doing it by myself with a crappy bleeder lol.. kept leaking all over. Had to hose the bike off afterwards... uggh.

the bike starts to grab where it should now.. .and I can now use two fingers on the clutch!

 

[JR'S BUSA]

i think your a pure dumbass. anybody that would want to alter there bike from anything other then stock is just asking to be called a rican in my book i tell ya. down here in the f-l-a we dont play like that. we are str8 thugs! and WHAT!

 

[mike04busa]

My bike had a hitching feeling between 2-3k rpm and I had a buddy of mine use the yosh. box and changed the fuel mapping a little. I forgot if it was rich or lean but it took care of it.All I have done is bolt on muffler's and it did it with the stock one's too. I just rode an 07 with 1,000 mi. on it at work today and it feel's the same way around town 2-3k.

 

[captainraymond]

I had the "jerky throtle" problem and I just got used to it as being normal. Then, when I was replacing the plugs one day I decided to adjust the throtle cable. The difference was astounding. I cant belive I put up with it for so long. Kinda like my ex-wife.

 

[rashad]

i think your a pure dumbass. anybody that would want to alter there bike from anything other then stock is just asking to be called a rican in my book i tell ya. down here in the f-l-a we dont play like that. we are str8 thugs! and WHAT!

Are you a ****ing IDIOT? I.....


Ahh... its not worth it its the internet lol..

Anyhow, captainraymond can you elaborate please?

There are some good people here for sure.. just have to step around some dog**** I see.

 

[Liltroy]

I think you need to start back at the beginning of this thread and re-read all the info people have given you....it seems as though you're not taking it in as EVERYTHING I'm about to type has already been mentioned but I want to make sure you didnt miss it because ultimately, I'm trying to help ya out.1. This is not a 6000rpm v-twin...its an engine designed to turn almost 11,000rpm and isnt meant to be lugged around at just off idle engine speeds. 2. you need to check out everything and see whats been done...that on/off throttle feeling could be due to someone putting an R6 throttle tube on to decrease throttle rotation for drag racing. 3. A TRE tricks the ecu into thinking in in 5th gear all the time...this means you're gonna have more timing advance down low but this also means its going to be getting too much fuel down low as well because its going to be dumping in extra fuel for ram-air compensation cause its gonna think you're doing 100+mph even though your not, thereby screwing up your lower gear fueling. Thats why someone mentioned that you need to check and make sure theres not one already on the bike(could be making it feel lurchy at slower speeds becasue of the extra fuel).4. Fix what you KNOW is wrong first...once you've got it back to where its suppossed to be stock, then worry about add-ons such as a TRE if you should want one.5. Most everyone on here is hear to help(even the ones that seem to have attitudes) so dont think you're being "punked"...everyone here just has thier own style. And last but not least....and I dont think this has been mentioned yet....It is always possible that someone has modified the ecu without knowing what thier doing, so it might not be a bad Idea to have someone flash it with a stock map and dissable yoshbox settings to make sure thats not the problem. Hope you get it all worked out and try not to get too frustrated...the end result is worth the trouble I'm sure.

 

[Strife]

I think you need to start back at the beginning of this thread and re-read all the info people have given you....it seems as though you're not taking it in as EVERYTHING I'm about to type has already been mentioned but I want to make sure you didnt miss it because ultimately, I'm trying to help ya out.1. This is not a 6000rpm v-twin...its an engine designed to turn almost 11,000rpm and isnt meant to be lugged around at just off idle engine speeds. 2. you need to check out everything and see whats been done...that on/off throttle feeling could be due to someone putting an R6 throttle tube on to decrease throttle rotation for drag racing. 3. A TRE tricks the ecu into thinking in in 5th gear all the time...this means you're gonna have more timing advance down low but this also means its going to be getting too much fuel down low as well because its going to be dumping in extra fuel for ram-air compensation cause its gonna think you're doing 100+mph even though your not, thereby screwing up your lower gear fueling. Thats why someone mentioned that you need to check and make sure theres not one already on the bike(could be making it feel lurchy at slower speeds becasue of the extra fuel).4. Fix what you KNOW is wrong first...once you've got it back to where its suppossed to be stock, then worry about add-ons such as a TRE if you should want one.5. Most everyone on here is hear to help(even the ones that seem to have attitudes) so dont think you're being "punked"...everyone here just has thier own style. And last but not least....and I dont think this has been mentioned yet....It is always possible that someone has modified the ecu without knowing what thier doing, so it might not be a bad Idea to have someone flash it with a stock map and dissable yoshbox settings to make sure thats not the problem. Hope you get it all worked out and try not to get too frustrated...the end result is worth the trouble I'm sure.

Let me simplify what's most us telling you..... Don't go adding extra parts until you find out what all is done to your bike. You have a problem on a recently bought bike with little background.

Front rotor missing = drag racer or show bike. Possibly a "Racer wanna be" if thats the case you don't know what kind of half ars things that's been done to your bike or corners he cut.

When you get your TRE and put it on,cause sounds like your going to. Then come back here and post in CAPS... How people who disagreed are all wrong.

 

[captainraymond]

I'll try. If I'm remembering correctly you want to pull the cable tight enough so when you roll the gas there is no free play - engine starts reving as soon as you start rotating the throtle. But if its too tight then the engine will start reving way too high when you start her up. You kinda just gotta play with it a little. I hope that was a good explaination.

 

[rashad]

ok.... I do understand what you guys are saying.

However.. My bike does not have a "problem." It runs great.. but It has the same low speed twitchiness that every suzuki I have ever ridden has.... Perhaps it is because the thing revs to 12K... I will check what you all suggested, but I dont think there is anything "wrong" or unusual with the bike.

I read about the TRE... A product which was designed to compensate for the "known" twitchiness suzukis have factory at low rpms...

I will just look the bike over and report back..

 

[suzuki4life]

ok.... I do understand what you guys are saying.

However.. My bike does not have a "problem." It runs great.. but It has the same low speed twitchiness that every suzuki I have ever ridden has.... Perhaps it is because the thing revs to 12K... I will check what you all suggested, but I dont think there is anything "wrong" or unusual with the bike.

I read about the TRE... A product which was designed to compensate for the "known" twitchiness suzukis have factory at low rpms...

I will just look the bike over and report back..

the "tre" was designed for 2 things....

to make more power in lower gears by removing the timing retard set in the ecu

and disable or bypass the top end limiter...

the busa will not run to its potential if the box was hacked and it is not mapped for the new amount of air flow. Bikes from the factory are mapped lean in the bottom rpm's because they must pass epa standards. Adding air through a mod mods increases the lean condition.

 

[pashnit]

Great thread. Welcome Rashad.

Tre. No tre. Longer you call this place home, more you get to chuckle at the arguements.

Will echo return your brake system to stock. If you are on a budget, find a used stock rotor from someone here. If you are not on a budget and want to join the madness like the rest of us, I can send you EBC or Galfer rotors.
EBC: Buy Now: EBC Brake Rotors, Pro-Lite Contour Suzuki Hayabusa

Galfer:

Toss those stock brake (oop, singular ) line asap. Go Galfer (or whomever). I have the D223's in stock and can send you a front set today to get you started.
Buy Galfer Brake Lines Braided Stainless Steel

Oh, and get the tre.
Buy Now: GIpro Gear Indicator w/ Advanced TRE

 

[rashad]

Pashnit, very good to meet you sir...

Your site is one of the main reasons I decided on a busa... because of the sport-tour ability that you show is possible...

I will be getting those front lines from you.. Have rotors on the way from schism, who is among the nicest forum members ive ever met.. and a tre from redfalco whos EQUALLY as impressive.