Thats what I'm saying, no faster than a busa, cant turn because of the flat slick it comes with(not streetable), and 3 times the price= Fail for HD. And with only 150 made, I wouldnt exactley call it a "production bike". Dont get me wrong, the vrod is probably the only harley that I actually like, but even in the limited"destroyer" form, it still isnt in the running.