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He was essentially a puppet for outside (US and UK) interests, which contributed to the hardline clergy gaining a foothold with the average citizen, so I think installed is appropriate.
Soleimani and the Middle East
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That would be an unmitigated disaster. A proxy war will end up getting incredibly messy, as they always do in that area. Every world power has attempted to control that region with military and economic force, all have failed to varying degrees.
That's what we did with Sadam, didn't go so well for him. When Iraq was fighting with Iran for like 10 years. All those Iraq bullets were American. After how we turned on him and now the Kurds I don't think we are going to find many allies in the middle east. Unfortunately, Russia and China will be the winners here.
Back to the point however, allowing those protesters to attack the embassy was a provocative to me. It was designed to recall the hostage crisis that tanked Carter, and even Benghazi. You don't poke the tiger like that. I don't know if this was the right thing to do strategically, but I'm not ready to say it was a bad move on Trumps part (yes, I hated saying that).
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It's also worth noting that starting a war (which is precisely what I suspect will be the result of this action) when there's trouble at home is on page one of the dictator handbook. Wether or not one agrees with the impeachment inquiry, it is literally the definition of trouble at home....
The hostage crisis was in 81. My unit was the eventual result. 79 was the revolution, when the fundamentalists (terrorist jihadi type cats) took power.
One, this won't be a war, they're not that stupid, we're not that lucky. Two, if you think Donny T needs to wag anything, I think you might want to change the channel. Every metric the president has any sway over is vastly improved from the Obama era. Race relations are worse, so we're told, but other than a cacophony of division on TV, I haven't seen any worsening of relations.
The left has been looking for something on the orange man since he announced his candidacy, and the best they had was some fabricated bullshit about a quid pro nothing. Biden's kid is a scumbag, just like his daddy, and there should be a thorough investigation into the conduct of the white house in reference to Ukraine during the Obamanator's reign. The man's been in politics for 40 years, but everything is Trumps fault.
One last thing, how many politicians could face 4 years of constant partisan scrutiny and emerge unscathed? Go ahead, I'll wait.
We were doing pretty well, then you went stupid.....
I don't think Iran will start a war as they know it would be the end of their country as they know it, that and Russia and China would be wagging their finger at the US.
Iran will most likely resort to what will do the most damage, get the US out of Iraq which would pave the way for the Iranian influence to strengthen in Iraq...and deny the west the oil in that country-either that or jack the prices up which hurts western economies. The Iranians are watching the American oil workers leaving Iraq in droves and that probably gives them great satisfaction.
Iran already has proxy warriors out and about ready to do surgical partisan actions against western soft targets. Maybe the death of Soleimani will be the catalyst to launch these teams?? Not sure but the world was an unsafe place before his death, nothing has changed.
Iran will most likely resort to what will do the most damage, get the US out of Iraq which would pave the way for the Iranian influence to strengthen in Iraq...and deny the west the oil in that country-either that or jack the prices up which hurts western economies. The Iranians are watching the American oil workers leaving Iraq in droves and that probably gives them great satisfaction.
Iran already has proxy warriors out and about ready to do surgical partisan actions against western soft targets. Maybe the death of Soleimani will be the catalyst to launch these teams?? Not sure but the world was an unsafe place before his death, nothing has changed.
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I didn't say wag anything, but I got ya.
You have a specific world view, a result of your training, which enables you to be successful in what you do. You, and others in your profession are the bite behind the bark so to speak. As such, you should recognize that killing someone like Soleimani cannot go unanswered. They will respond, probably not with outright war, but there will be casualties.
Regarding your position that by observable metrics this presidency is improved, I'm not sure what you're basing that on, other than what the president says, and he has a looser relationship with the truth than most people. It's funny that on the heels of Obama, an historic president who was despised by some for nothing other than the color of his skin, you can ask who can ensure 4 years of scrutiny and emerge unscathed. Not only did he emerge unscathed, he managed to get reelected. We'll see if ya boy fares so we'll....
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NVM
Maybe not...
A U.S. Invasion Of Iran Would Be Suicidal
Iran has more than geography going for it.
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Maybe not...
A U.S. Invasion Of Iran Would Be Suicidal
Iran has more than geography going for it.
There is truth to this however, if the US was intent on invading and conquering Iran, it would be done...technology available to the American military is vast and encompassing.
Taking and then holding the ground is an entirely different problem however.
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Invasion is the easy part, conquest not so much. Technology cannot defeat the will of a people. Look at the Vietnam war, the technology was as one sided there as it is in this example, possibly even more so, and we all know how that ended.
True, there were wars/invasions more recently than Viet Nam which have not gone as intended-Iraq, and Afghanistan for instance.
I was indicating technology being the factor which would allow the US to invade and conquer the existing government same as was done in Iraq. The will of the people can never be conquered.
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Hi. All I will say I would go to fight Islam today. I know they will not take me, so I will all that I can do to protect soft targets in my town. [I also have a P 38 and I know how to use it]. Some will know what it is, most will not.
Whether you’re referring to the pistol or the plane, your statement is ridiculous.
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HI. It is a can opener.
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I don't think any war has gone as intended since WW2 if we're being real. Invasion is absolutely made possible by technology, and the will of the people can indeed be conquered, it just takes different weapons. History has always been written by the victors, controlling what is written (or distributed by other means) prior to it becoming history is the key to conquering people. Information is the most powerful weapon a regime can wield.
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