Soleimani and the Middle East

[SSGT_B]

You want to know ow how to successfully win, dig this, it has never been done

Remove their history and ability to learn. Remove their arms and ability to defend
Remove their freedoms and with such the right to medical treatment.
Contaminate the water source and deny food.

When you have done all this the will of the people will crumble.

But we have never done these things have we. We as children get called to post to become men. We become the successors of the land to which we tear apart. What have we accomplished? Peace? Acceptance?

Nightmares

Someone please make them stop
Rant over

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

You want to know ow how to successfully win, dig this, it has never been done

Remove their history and ability to learn. Remove their arms and ability to defend
Remove their freedoms and with such the right to medical treatment.
Contaminate the water source and deny food.

When you have done all this the will of the people will crumble.

But we have never done these things have we. We as children get called to post to become men. We become the successors of the land to which we tear apart. What have we accomplished? Peace? Acceptance?

Nightmares

Someone please make them stop
Rant over

Remove their history? If we‘re gonna take over, why not establish a guvment similar to ours? Something like we did in Japan. Introduce the populace to some of the freedoms we enjoy like self determination, voting, men (and) women, and leave their religion alone.

 

[Mr Brown]

You want to know ow how to successfully win, dig this, it has never been done

Remove their history and ability to learn. Remove their arms and ability to defend
Remove their freedoms and with such the right to medical treatment.
Contaminate the water source and deny food.

When you have done all this the will of the people will crumble.

But we have never done these things have we.

We do it every day. To the poor rural and urban populations in this country. It works, very, very well.

 

[TallTom]

Remove their history? If we‘re gonna take over, why not establish a guvment similar to ours? Something like we did in Japan. Introduce the populace to some of the freedoms we enjoy like self determination, voting, men (and) women, and leave their religion alone.

Because their religion is what drives most of how they build their governments. If their religion doesn't allow freedoms we enjoy, we become their enemy. All they do is about their religious cores. They hate each other over religion. Different sects fight each other. Until something that isn't Muslim comes forward. Then they are all Muslims against it.

 

[jellyrug]

We do it every day. To the poor rural and urban populations in this country. It works, very, very well.

Interesting statement. Can you provide factual examples of all or most of what was mentioned?

 

[Bumblebee]

I don't think any war has gone as intended since WW2 if we're being real. Invasion is absolutely made possible by technology, and the will of the people can indeed be conquered, it just takes different weapons. History has always been written by the victors, controlling what is written (or distributed by other means) prior to it becoming history is the key to conquering people. Information is the most powerful weapon a regime can wield.

Come to think of it, you are 100% correct, there hasn't been a war fought since WW2 that has been successful.

I know from experience that the west will never be able to conquer the minds of the people of Iran regardless of our techniques or technology. They have thousands of years of ideology and hatred bred into them, it would take generations of people to change their way of thinking.

 

[Bumblebee]

Remove their history? If we‘re gonna take over, why not establish a guvment similar to ours? Something like we did in Japan. Introduce the populace to some of the freedoms we enjoy like self determination, voting, men (and) women, and leave their religion alone.

Drop in video game systems and ensure their net is up and running. Then have a bunch of fast food chains move in with home delivery...We can make them like our kids and never want to go outside.

 

[Mr Brown]

Interesting statement. Can you provide factual examples of all or most of what was mentioned?

Examples? As in anecdotal "this happened to my friend's dad" type examples? Or would you like me to refer you to the evidence that certain populations are far more likely to be disadvantaged (i.e. have criminal records, poor diets, less access to health care, lower levels of education, lower salaries within fields, etc)? Because that evidence is common knowledge to those who are interested in such things.

 

[Mr Brown]

Come to think of it, you are 100% correct, there hasn't been a war fought since WW2 that has been successful.

I know from experience that the west will never be able to conquer the minds of the people of Iran regardless of our techniques or technology. They have thousands of years of ideology and hatred bred into them, it would take generations of people to change their way of thinking.

This is true to varying degrees in every society the world has ever seen. It manifests itself in many ways, but hatred for (or fear of) an outgroup, in other words those who are not like "us" (whatever "us" consists of) has been the main method of controlling human behavior since the beginning of time.

 

[jellyrug]

Examples? As in anecdotal "this happened to my friend's dad" type examples? Or would you like me to refer you to the evidence that certain populations are far more likely to be disadvantaged (i.e. have criminal records, poor diets, less access to health care, lower levels of education, lower salaries within fields, etc)? Because that evidence is common knowledge to those who are interested in such things.

You infer that “we” remove their ability to learn and “we” remove their arms and ability to defend themself every day? That among other things which were posted.

Anecdotal or evidence would help to understand what you mean?

Are you perhaps talking about the maximum security prison in Colorado, as far as I know it does not even apply there?

 

[Mr Brown]

You infer that “we” remove their ability to learn and “we” remove their arms and ability to defend themself every day? That among other things which were posted.

Anecdotal or evidence would help to understand what you mean?

Are you perhaps talking about the maximum security prison in Colorado, as far as I know it does not even apply there?

We? What makes you think you're included in that group?
If disadvantage is present, a position supported by an overwhelmingly large proportion of the evidence, advantage must also be present. Said advantage (and it's concurrent disadvantage) don't simply happen by accident, coincidence or divine intervention. There are measurable legal, economic and social impediments deliberately placed to hinder success of certain groups, precisely so that other groups may continue their position of advantage. These are facts of which you are well aware, and in your personal experience were specifically racial. Perhaps that is why you feel as if I inferred that you were a part of the dominant group. I'll be clear: you're not. But you probably think you are.

 

[Mr Brown]

You infer that “we” remove their ability to learn and “we” remove their arms and ability to defend themself every day? That among other things which were posted.

Anecdotal or evidence would help to understand what you mean?

Are you perhaps talking about the maximum security prison in Colorado, as far as I know it does not even apply there?

In rereading my post, perhaps a better use of words would have been we see this every day rather than we do this every day.

 

[kml]

 

[jellyrug]

We? What makes you think you're included in that group?
If disadvantage is present, a position supported by an overwhelmingly large proportion of the evidence, advantage must also be present. Said advantage (and it's concurrent disadvantage) don't simply happen by accident, coincidence or divine intervention. There are measurable legal, economic and social impediments deliberately placed to hinder success of certain groups, precisely so that other groups may continue their position of advantage. These are facts of which you are well aware, and in your personal experience were specifically racial. Perhaps that is why you feel as if I inferred that you were a part of the dominant group. I'll be clear: you're not. But you probably think you are.

Irrespective of which group they emanated from, those who live the American dream always look at their glass as being half full, rather than half empty. Success is based on attitude, values, ability and directing those attributes towards behavioral dimensions which add value to all. Highly successful people do not associate themselves to a specific group, but rather the community as a whole.

 

[Mr Brown]

Irrespective of which group they emanated from, those who live the American dream always look at their glass as being half full, rather than half empty.

What is, specifically, the American dream, and what gives you the authority to make such a definitive statement as "always"?

Success is based on attitude, values, ability and directing those attributes towards behavioral dimensions which add value to all.

Success is defined in many ways, which type are you referring to here? Asserting that individual success is solely within the control of that individual is reductive and inaccurate. There are external factors which contribute to an individual's ability to be successful no matter how you define success.

Highly successful people do not associate themselves to a specific group, but rather the community as a whole.

A community is a specific group, by definition. Not sure what point you were driving at here...unless you were trying to say that a person's lack of success is in some way tied to their identification with a group? As in a person saying "... this group is measurably less successful, so I think I'll identify with it..."? That's absurd. Obviously nobody would voluntarily do that. Success has far less to do with an individual's self-definition than with how society defines that individual. Success by any metric you want to use isn't merely a result of attitudes, values, and direction. People who are disadvantaged can't simply "think" their disadvantage away, or why on earth wouldn't they? Nor can they just work that disadvantage away, to believe that is to believe that the poor are poor because they don't work hard enough not to be, and if you've ever seen (or been one of the) people working 18 hour days at sh!tty dead end jobs, you know that's not true.
Success is largely based on opportunity, and that is not provided equally to all members of society, American or any other. This country, and many like it, systematically deny opportunity to specific populations within their own borders, and reinforce this denial with legal, economic, and social barriers.

 

[shade]

Success is largely based on opportunity, and that is not provided equally to all members of society, American or any other.

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. There are so many opportunities for people especially minorities its disgusting. This is speaking as a minority who came from little opportunity but created my own. If you think the American government is set up against giving opportunity, please do us a favor... leave our great country. Go see what opportunities exist elsewhere. You have no idea what you're talking about but try to sound like an intellectual. Try again.

 

[Kiwi Rider]

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[Sandow]

 

[Mr Brown]

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. There are so many opportunities for people especially minorities its disgusting. This is speaking as a minority who came from little opportunity but created my own. If you think the American government is set up against giving opportunity, please do us a favor... leave our great country. Go see what opportunities exist elsewhere. You have no idea what you're talking about but try to sound like an intellectual. Try again.

If you don't like it, leave our great country. Snappy comeback: intolerance and American exceptionalism all rolled into one, did you think of that all by yourself? Opportunity for minorities disgusts you? Well, that's quite a telling statement in and of itself. And to top it off, you claim membership in a minority group. Which would that be?
I don't need to think the American government is set up to deny equal opportunity to everyone, it's literally written in the founding document. What was the definition of a man at the time the Constitution was written? Oh yeah, that's right white, land holding and male.

What makes you think I haven't lived elsewhere? Or that I'm trying to sound like something I'm not?
What if I actually were a person who studies and teaches precisely what I'm talking about here? What if I told you that I've devoted countless hours to the study of these topics and this is what I'd found? Would you believe me then? Or would you continue to demean what I say because to face the fact that a person's lack of success may not be entirely their own responsibility forces you to accept that your own success may not be solely of your own making?

I engaged the OP on this topic because it's his thread, and he asked questions specifically of me regarding my comments. If you have questions or need to express opinions about what I've said, start a thread and I'll gladly discuss it with you. Or better yet, come take my class....

 

[GAmedic]

It was suicide by Clinton.

Leta go eat pie.