I removed them. There were a couple of posts in the thread from members that the pics weren't appropriate for the site, so I didn't feel the need to repeat that in a PM.
Just to clarify, I take my 5 year old daughter on photo shoots with me all the time.
I dont mind censorship, i have had a few things removed myself, i think it was mc that did it...but he did pm me and explain it to me, so i wrote back and thanked him and apologized...after all we all really are just guests here...but i also agree anything you would normally see in public should be ok here.. i posted pictures of hooters girls many times, but they where all in thier normal work clothes and sitting on bikes at bike night...either way id love to see what you had...guess i could pm you with my email add...lol i think its a well run site we all agree about 85% of the time, and we all look out for eachother..i dont see any real comrodery on other sites, so eveyryone here still feels like family...
In addition, I assume that the subject pics are tastetful - problem is that it only takes a couple of posts before the pics get less and less tasteful...
I suppose it is easier to remove the "what could evolve to be an inappropriat subject" than it is to have to deal with/ban distasteful members.
It is not my desire to disobey rules and standards set forth by the owners of the forum as long as they are not subjectively vague and consistant across the board. While I do not agree with the extent and the level of censorship enforced by the admin/mods, I will abide by the rules, now that I know what they are.
So let me address this one....
I have been the owner of this site for 10 years, trust me when I say rules are made for those people that cross the line... Is every pic of a woman in a bikini inappropriate? The answer is simply no.
HOWEVER
In 10 years I have seen this very situation happen over and over at least 200 times. One person post a pic of a bikini, it starts off innocent enough, before too long someone just can't refrain and they post up pics of the same girl wearing a bikini but stretched out across a busa assuming the position, the pic after that is the same girl in the same position on her tiptoes turning her head all the way around licking her lips...
My personal opinion with the problem with America is that we have forgotten how to be respectful and know when we are offending someone else, no personal accountability. It is not my responsibility or right to control what your kids see, frankly that is your problem not mine. This site started off as a hobby site for me, I spend at least 40 hours a week here and when MY kids walk into the office or look over my shoulder I don't want to have to explain to them what they see. I want my 8 yr old to know that his dad is respectful and as he grows he will learn about control. I can't preach to my 15 yr old that he shouldn't look at pornography and at the same time have him look over MY shoulder and see the pic above. Tell yourself that all bikini shots are innocent and you are just kidding yourself. They can be as suggestive as any full naked pic and you can try to rationalize that to yourself all day long but in the end the same message is transferred.
Those are the rules that I put into place many years ago to protect and shield my family from those types of images. We put those rules into play so that members could participate on the forums when at work knowing that they would not have anything to explain away to a boss or coworker. Interestingly enough I have had thousands of people tell me over the years that is what they like about Hayabusa.org, we are different. You hit the nail on the head that you have posted pictures just like this on other sites without any problems at all.
I am amazed that people come to Hayabusa.org and will make comments on the super friendly people here, the mature conversations and that this place is different but when they run across something they disagree with the first thing that comes out of their mouth is censorship and freedom of speech. You like it here but yet want this place to allow the same garbage that other sites allow. What one thing can you contribute the relationships and friendships that have been made other than to say it was the atmosphere of the forum.
I have no problems telling people why we don't allow those types of images here on the site, I am proud to say that we do not allow this activity and I believe it keeps us on track.
You can go to so many other sites and post those pics why do you feel that it is such an outrage that they are not allowed here? Call me a prude, tell us that we censor to much, tell me that I'm not a real man because I don't allow those types of pictures, I can handle it...
My number one conviction in this world is to be a good father to my children, as much time as I spend online my kids come in and see my screen. What type of hypocritical father would I be if I allowed it here and preached to them otherwise?
Regardless if you like the reasoning or accept it I set those rules into place 10 years ago and the site has done well.
If you have other questions ask them in an open forum if you like or you can send me a PM.....
In the end of it all people just can't control themselves and the bikini threads always escalate to being out of control. Experience tells us to deal with it quickly and make them go away.
Cap
You like it here but yet want this place to allow the same garbage that other sites allow.
Cap
I think someone probably should have let the guy know his post was unacceptable along with deleting the pictures. Just so he understands why his pictures were deleted.
So let me address this one....
I have been the owner of this site for 10 years, trust me when I say rules are made for those people that cross the line... Is every pic of a woman in a bikini inappropriate? The answer is simply no.
HOWEVER
In 10 years I have seen this very situation happen over and over at least 200 times. One person post a pic of a bikini, it starts off innocent enough, before too long someone just can't refrain and they post up pics of the same girl wearing a bikini but stretched out across a busa assuming the position, the pic after that is the same girl in the same position on her tiptoes turning her head all the way around licking her lips...
My personal opinion with the problem with America is that we have forgotten how to be respectful and know when we are offending someone else, no personal accountability. It is not my responsibility or right to control what your kids see, frankly that is your problem not mine. This site started off as a hobby site for me, I spend at least 40 hours a week here and when MY kids walk into the office or look over my shoulder I don't want to have to explain to them what they see. I want my 8 yr old to know that his dad is respectful and as he grows he will learn about control. I can't preach to my 15 yr old that he shouldn't look at pornography and at the same time have him look over MY shoulder and see the pic above. Tell yourself that all bikini shots are innocent and you are just kidding yourself. They can be as suggestive as any full naked pic and you can try to rationalize that to yourself all day long but in the end the same message is transferred.
Those are the rules that I put into place many years ago to protect and shield my family from those types of images. We put those rules into play so that members could participate on the forums when at work knowing that they would not have anything to explain away to a boss or coworker. Interestingly enough I have had thousands of people tell me over the years that is what they like about Hayabusa.org, we are different. You hit the nail on the head that you have posted pictures just like this on other sites without any problems at all.
I am amazed that people come to Hayabusa.org and will make comments on the super friendly people here, the mature conversations and that this place is different but when they run across something they disagree with the first thing that comes out of their mouth is censorship and freedom of speech. You like it here but yet want this place to allow the same garbage that other sites allow. What one thing can you contribute the relationships and friendships that have been made other than to say it was the atmosphere of the forum.
I have no problems telling people why we don't allow those types of images here on the site, I am proud to say that we do not allow this activity and I believe it keeps us on track.
You can go to so many other sites and post those pics why do you feel that it is such an outrage that they are not allowed here? Call me a prude, tell us that we censor to much, tell me that I'm not a real man because I don't allow those types of pictures, I can handle it...
My number one conviction in this world is to be a good father to my children, as much time as I spend online my kids come in and see my screen. What type of hypocritical father would I be if I allowed it here and preached to them otherwise?
Regardless if you like the reasoning or accept it I set those rules into place 10 years ago and the site has done well.
If you have other questions ask them in an open forum if you like or you can send me a PM.....
In the end of it all people just can't control themselves and the bikini threads always escalate to being out of control. Experience tells us to deal with it quickly and make them go away.
Cap
Let first start off by saying I respect the hard work you put into this place, and will abide by the rules you have set. But as you said in your post, this is a place for mature and respectful conversation, so with that in mind, DO NOT disrespect my work without having seen them, by referring to my work as garbage. You are doing the very thing you preach against.
I do not agree with SOME aspects of your idealogy (it reminds me of a movie called Footloose where they banned dancing because one person believed that dancing leads to corruption based on his observation), it's a free country. But i will stay within the confines of the rules you set because this is your house.
Let first start off by saying I respect the hard work you put into this place, and will abide by the rules you have set. But as you said in your post, this is a place for mature and respectful conversation, so with that in mind, DO NOT disrespect my work without having seen them, by referring to my work as garbage. You are doing the very thing you preach against.
I do not agree with SOME aspects of your idealogy (it reminds me of a movie called Footloose where they banned dancing because one person believed that dancing leads to corruption based on his observation), it's a free country. But i will stay within the confines of the rules you set because this is your house.
It appears to me that you think that pictures you call art is what I call soft pornography, this is a perfect example of what happens all over the country every day.
One person thinks its innocent enough to shoot the bird in a car, the person receiving the finger isnt very pleased because their kid saw it too.