The Gospel according to Oprah
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Lamb has no problems with a word Oprah says here! Not an Oprah fan, but didn't find one word she said here direspectful or inapropriate in any way! Don't know the point your trying to make unless you agree with the last woman that talked!
Wow.. from a Christian perspective I guess I must say I am disapointed..
Odd how God works sometimes.
My wife being a Christian brought a video home the other day that she got from a friend, it was called the Secret
My wife heard it was even discussed on Oprah and she endorses it or something..
Anyway, being that it was brought into my household available for my family to watch I felt I needed to preview it first.. So I sat through as much as I needed to and talked to my wife about it and expressed I did not think the video would be a good influence for our family and that I myself was not going to watch it any longer so I left the room.
I was not going to tell my wife she could not watch it, that is between her and God, however as her spiritual leader I felt it was my responsibility to express my feelings.
I came back to the room later and she had turned it off and I asked her why and she said because I was her spiritual leader and she trusts my decisions.
That is one of the cool things about our marriage, I never force anything on her, but in turn she does listen to my counsel.
The whole point to me bringing this up is I personally feel the video "The Secret" is a bunch of pshcyo babble B.S. but it seems because Oprah endorses it a lot of people put a lot of faith in this video.
This video that was just posted in this thread comes about a week after I had issues with the video the secret and when I had issues with the video and knowing Oprah endorses it, I began to question Where Opran stands on things..
This thread is awesome because for me it provides me with validation that I have been suspecting recently about Oprah. so thank you BBK for posting this. God provided me with the insight I was looking for through you and your thread..
God Bless.... (and I don't say that often
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For you Christians that want to dig deeper into the video "THE SECRET" that is being labeled as snake oil, and as a Christian I identified it as such within the first 5 minutes of watching it, here are some links.
And for you Christians in leadership positions, make yourself aware of this video, its concepts and the fact that Oprah backs it. You could have Christian brothers and sisters questioning things and being confused and misled
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/03/05/the_secret/index_np.html
http://www.oprah.com/spirits....1.jhtml
http://www.oprah.com/spirits....1.jhtml
http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/blog.cfm/the_secret_on_oprah
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/02/18/what-do-you-think-of-oprahs-secret/
And check out this link where bloggers talk about the excitement of Oprah endorsing it
http://what-is-the-secret.blogspot.com/2007....et.html
Odd how God works sometimes.
My wife being a Christian brought a video home the other day that she got from a friend, it was called the Secret
My wife heard it was even discussed on Oprah and she endorses it or something..
Anyway, being that it was brought into my household available for my family to watch I felt I needed to preview it first.. So I sat through as much as I needed to and talked to my wife about it and expressed I did not think the video would be a good influence for our family and that I myself was not going to watch it any longer so I left the room.
I was not going to tell my wife she could not watch it, that is between her and God, however as her spiritual leader I felt it was my responsibility to express my feelings.
I came back to the room later and she had turned it off and I asked her why and she said because I was her spiritual leader and she trusts my decisions.
That is one of the cool things about our marriage, I never force anything on her, but in turn she does listen to my counsel.
The whole point to me bringing this up is I personally feel the video "The Secret" is a bunch of pshcyo babble B.S. but it seems because Oprah endorses it a lot of people put a lot of faith in this video.
This video that was just posted in this thread comes about a week after I had issues with the video the secret and when I had issues with the video and knowing Oprah endorses it, I began to question Where Opran stands on things..
This thread is awesome because for me it provides me with validation that I have been suspecting recently about Oprah. so thank you BBK for posting this. God provided me with the insight I was looking for through you and your thread..
God Bless.... (and I don't say that often
For you Christians that want to dig deeper into the video "THE SECRET" that is being labeled as snake oil, and as a Christian I identified it as such within the first 5 minutes of watching it, here are some links.
And for you Christians in leadership positions, make yourself aware of this video, its concepts and the fact that Oprah backs it. You could have Christian brothers and sisters questioning things and being confused and misled
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/03/05/the_secret/index_np.html
http://www.oprah.com/spirits....1.jhtml
http://www.oprah.com/spirits....1.jhtml
http://naturalmedicine.suite101.com/blog.cfm/the_secret_on_oprah
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/02/18/what-do-you-think-of-oprahs-secret/
And check out this link where bloggers talk about the excitement of Oprah endorsing it
http://what-is-the-secret.blogspot.com/2007....et.html
there are alot of false prophets in the end days.
guess who you can add to the list.
guess who you can add to the list.
Most of you know my feelings about religion in general. There was a time years ago when I was very angry about what I felt were deceptions in religions and there was a time when that was specifically directed toward Christianity.
One of the things which still bugs me more than anything else is the propensity of religious proponents to claim that their way is the only way to god. You see this in many cults around the world. It's an especially prevalent mantra in most Muslim and Christian religions.
"If you don't adhere to THIS religion, you will not go to heaven." It is frequently also interpreted to mean, by extension, " . . . you're an evil person."
It's this teaching alone which makes it impossible to believe that god is fair, loving, kind or just. For that matter, Islam teaches of a god which is exactly the opposite of loving or kind and Christianity teaches of a god which has a history of violence and bigotry. Most Christian professors will not address that concept, preferring to avoid it altogether.
Oprah is no hero of mine, to be sure. But she does raise a valid question: What happens to all the people who live their lives without hearing about Jesus? Or Mohammed? Or whatever other religion under discussion? Will those people be able to go to God and say, "I never heard about this. What are you talking about?"
According to most Christian sects, that person will be sent straight to hell with no possibility of a do-over. So far, nobody has ever been able to explain how that's actually fair, just or loving.
While the above may sound like an attack on Christianity, Islam, and religion in general (okay, maybe it is a little), I do maintain an open mind and am more than willing to listen to any explanations or teachings of which I may be unaware which are suitable justifications and will clear up any of my misconceptions.
--Wag--
One of the things which still bugs me more than anything else is the propensity of religious proponents to claim that their way is the only way to god. You see this in many cults around the world. It's an especially prevalent mantra in most Muslim and Christian religions.
"If you don't adhere to THIS religion, you will not go to heaven." It is frequently also interpreted to mean, by extension, " . . . you're an evil person."
It's this teaching alone which makes it impossible to believe that god is fair, loving, kind or just. For that matter, Islam teaches of a god which is exactly the opposite of loving or kind and Christianity teaches of a god which has a history of violence and bigotry. Most Christian professors will not address that concept, preferring to avoid it altogether.
Oprah is no hero of mine, to be sure. But she does raise a valid question: What happens to all the people who live their lives without hearing about Jesus? Or Mohammed? Or whatever other religion under discussion? Will those people be able to go to God and say, "I never heard about this. What are you talking about?"
According to most Christian sects, that person will be sent straight to hell with no possibility of a do-over. So far, nobody has ever been able to explain how that's actually fair, just or loving.
While the above may sound like an attack on Christianity, Islam, and religion in general (okay, maybe it is a little), I do maintain an open mind and am more than willing to listen to any explanations or teachings of which I may be unaware which are suitable justifications and will clear up any of my misconceptions.
--Wag--
Lou.. my friend.. and you know you are my friend
I have pondered that question myself.
The answer I have is one that is based on "faith" lol... (what else would it be based on?
The bible teaches that ALL will have the opportunity to know Jesus and they will have the opportunity to accept him or reject him.
With that in mind I would like to point out that God can pretty much do what he wants to do.
No one knows what a person experiences in their mind just before they die. No one..
The mind is an awesome thing, and we all know that in our mind we can experience dreams that seem to transcend hours and days while in real "time" it actually has only been a few minutes.
We also all have experienced a dream where an external experience (such as a dog barking, gun shot, car backfiring) has caused us to have an entire dream about an event but the dream itself might last only a few seconds.
My point? we do not know that if within a persons mind, just before death that person is witnessed to and given the chance to accept or reject Jesus just before they die.
they can be in a coma, or live in the far reaches of the planet. Doesn't matter if they are wealthy beyond belief or live in the highest parts of the Appalachian mountains in a cave and do not speak known spoken words.
How is that fair that someone might live all their life submitting to God while someone else could have lived a totally sinful life and be given a chance just seconds before they die and both end in the same place? lol.. from a human prospective it isnt fair lol..
But God is more about mercy and forgiveness than anything else. There is even a parable in the bible that address's this specific topic letting us know that someone could accept the offer that God provides us at the very last moment and would receive the same wages of someone who has served all their life.
Reference Mathew 20
"The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard"
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage....sion=31
But, with that in mind. that is just something I personally believe in. doesn't mean it is true, nor does it mean that if that is the case all can wait until the last minute and accept Christ then.. because I am only human.. what if I am wrong?
So the bottom line is I have faith that God has that whole thing covered as far as insuring ALL have a chance to accept him or reject him.
God actually provides us an example for this of how someone who never heard about Jesus was and could be witnessed to after death..
All of the people that always bring up the question "what if someone never heard of God or Jesus?" already know about God and Jesus and have made a decision.
Personally, I always hear that there are people in the world that have never heard of God or Jesus but I have never met one.
Amen.
Reference please...[/Quote]
Are you asking because you are a Christian and just want to know? or do you not believe and just want to argue?
If you are a Christian I will provide references, if you just want to argue, no disrespect meant but I have learned arguing with someone about God is a waste of time. the believer will not be swayed to not believe and the non believer will not be swayed to believe..
Both more times than not have the sole desire to change the others opinion and prove their own point. And when two people have this type of mentality both are reluctant to admit the others postion
So please let me know your stance.
Are you asking because you are a Christian and just want to know? or do you not believe and just want to argue?
If you are a Christian I will provide references, if you just want to argue, no disrespect meant but I have learned arguing with someone about God is a waste of time. the believer will not be swayed to not believe and the non believer will not be swayed to believe..
Both more times than not have the sole desire to change the others opinion and prove their own point. And when two people have this type of mentality both are reluctant to admit the others postion
So please let me know your stance.[/Quote]
Actually, if you have a reference, I'd be interested in seeing it and no, I'm not a Christian but as I said, I'm open-minded and interested in learning new stuff.
--Wag--
what a wonderful idea...lets all hate and argue about god...and let the streets run red with the blood of those who disbelieve our ways...cleanse the earth...all four corners..
onward christian soldiers?
I had a sweet old jamacian woman try to save my soul just last weekend...jehovah witness style..i tried to be nice and save her some breath and time so she could scurry on to do her good bidding and save other souls...by telling her in a very nice mannor..."Sorry Mamm..I'm not interested."...and that's all it took...and off on her tyraid she went...asking me "When you say your not interested do you mean your not interested in god or religion?"...and before i could answer she began to rant on for the rest of my cigarette...at which point i asked her..."are you done now?"...she said yes...i said...thank you...have a nice weekend.
I have a very close and strong relationship with god...but i'm non-demoninational....and for damn good reason.
L8R, Bill.
onward christian soldiers?
I had a sweet old jamacian woman try to save my soul just last weekend...jehovah witness style..i tried to be nice and save her some breath and time so she could scurry on to do her good bidding and save other souls...by telling her in a very nice mannor..."Sorry Mamm..I'm not interested."...and that's all it took...and off on her tyraid she went...asking me "When you say your not interested do you mean your not interested in god or religion?"...and before i could answer she began to rant on for the rest of my cigarette...at which point i asked her..."are you done now?"...she said yes...i said...thank you...have a nice weekend.
I have a very close and strong relationship with god...but i'm non-demoninational....and for damn good reason.
L8R, Bill.
Uhhh kind of my point Jinks. that is why I don't argue with people. pretty much don't bring it up unless someone asks a question.(JINKSTER @ Mar. 25 2007,12) what a wonderful idea...lets all hate and argue about god...and let the streets run red with the blood of those who disbelieve our ways...cleanse the earth...all four corners..
onward christian soldiers?
I had a sweet old jamacian woman try to save my soul just last weekend...jehovah witness style..i tried to be nice and save her some breath and time so she could scurry on to do her good bidding and save other souls...by telling her in a very nice mannor..."Sorry Mamm..I'm not interested."...and that's all it took...and off on her tyraid she went...asking me "When you say your not interested do you mean your not interested in god or religion?"...and before i could answer she began to rant on for the rest of my cigarette...at which point i asked her..."are you done now?"...she said yes...i said...thank you...have a nice weekend.
I have a very close and strong relationship with god...but i'm non-demoninational....and for damn good reason.
L8R, Bill.
But I try to respect everyone, including anyone that doesn't believe. In my life I figure if someone doesn't believe that is between them and God.
If God wants to use me to talk to them, he will put it on their heart to talk to me, but it is not for me to try and force anything down anyones throats. nor try to convince anyone that God exists.
And for the record I consider myself non denominational also. I just use the word Christian because it is the closest one word phrase that best describes my belief.
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isnt there another forum for this crap. i am the devil.
Be careful for whom you try to emulate lol...(species0113 @ Mar. 25 2007,15:02) isnt there another forum for this crap. i am the devil.
Actually this is in Random thoughts and pretty much as long as it is not nudity nor profanity everything is pretty much ok in Random..
Besides, Satan has better things to do than worry about Random thoughts.
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