The Gospel according to Oprah

[JINKSTER]

(thrasherfox @ Mar. 26 2007,16:21)

(JINKSTER @ Mar. 26 2007,18:53)

(thrasherfox @ Mar. 26 2007,11:13)

(nerfboy @ Mar. 26 2007,13:27)

(thrasherfox @ Mar. 25 2007,14:54)

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And for the record I consider myself non denominational also. I just use the word Christian because it is the closest one word phrase that best describes my belief.

Is christen a denomination?  Doesn’t denomination refer to a subgroup of a religion?  I would have thought Christen was a religion and Lutheran was a denomination.  

Not trying to make any point, just curious.

Yes you are correct

my, my...picky picky on the terminology....therefore i agree with Oprah....and for real good reason.

Your post makes little sense. didnt understand to what you were referring to as to being picky picky

And as far as you agreeing with Oprah.

If you are a Christian and believe in God, you shouldn't believe in Oprah

If you are not a Christian and / or don't believe in God, then by all means believe in Oprah. everyone should believe in something.

If Christianity doesn't do it for you and Oprah does. cool.

Everyone must walk their own path, I will never try and tell someone what path they should walk.

my how you play with the words of others TF...i said "i agree" with Oprah...not "believe in Oprah"

point is....my post does make sense..as you've seemed to segragate terminilogy between "denomination" and "religion"...citing that denomination is lutheran and such whilst "Chistianity" is a religion....and to that i say BULL!

To me?..."Denomination" is any man made label for any "SECT OF PEOPLE"....whereas to me?..."Religion" is something you either have and acknoledge or you don't.

Are Jewish Folk Christian?...Are Buhdists Christian?....Was the American Indian Christian?...Did any of these folk have some form of "Religion"?...now...did all of them claim a denomination?

I was raised Christian...but after researching the truth of the past i'm not so certain that i'd either choose nor claim the label of that particular denomination/religion..as upon a closer, truthful look at the past?...Christians have done some god aweful bad (if not down right "Horrific") shid in the name of "Chistianity".

Christians typically limit themselves (and their mental capacity) to thinking inside a very small box...a box that was built over the ages by numerous christian men who assumed their roles as leader of the flock...not god....that's one box that God didn't build....man did...often times for purposes of greed and power...self rightousely treading right through the seven deadly sins.

Not many religions/denominations are without past faults and?...sharing their fair share of false prophecy...which is why i claim no denomination...but that definantly doesn't mean i don't have "Religion"...yet my religion carrys no man made label.

L8R, Bill.

 

[thrasherfox]

(JINKSTER @ Mar. 27 2007,15:20)
my how you play with the words of others TF...i said "i agree" with Oprah...not "believe in Oprah"

point is....my post does make sense..as you've seemed to segragate terminilogy between "denomination" and "religion"...citing that denomination is lutheran and such whilst "Chistianity" is a religion....and to that i say BULL!

To me?..."Denomination" is any man made label for any "SECT OF PEOPLE"....whereas to me?..."Religion" is something you either have and acknoledge or you don't.

Are Jewish Folk Christian?...Are Buhdists Christian?....Was the American Indian Christian?...Did any of these folk have some form of "Religion"?...now...did all of them claim a denomination?

I was raised Christian...but after researching the truth of the past i'm not so certain that i'd either choose nor claim the label of that particular denomination/religion..as upon a closer, truthful look at the past?...Christians have done some god aweful bad (if not down right "Horrific") shid in the name of "Chistianity".

Christians typically limit themselves (and their mental capacity) to thinking inside a very small box...a box that was built over the ages by numerous christian men who assumed their roles as leader of the flock...not god....that's one box that God didn't build....man did...often times for purposes of greed and power...self rightousely treading right through the seven deadly sins.

Not many religions/denominations are without past faults and?...sharing their fair share of false prophecy...which is why i claim no denomination...but that definantly doesn't mean i don't have "Religion"...yet my religion carrys no man made label.

L8R, Bill.

Hmm I sense you have a lot of hatred in you..

And from this post and others, you seem to have animosity towards me.

Sorry for whatever issues you have..

 

[JINKSTER]

(thrasherfox @ Mar. 27 2007,13:22)

(JINKSTER @ Mar. 27 2007,15:20)
my how you play with the words of others TF...i said "i agree" with Oprah...not "believe in Oprah"

point is....my post does make sense..as you've seemed to segragate terminilogy between "denomination" and "religion"...citing that denomination is lutheran and such whilst "Chistianity" is a religion....and to that i say BULL!

To me?..."Denomination" is any man made label for any "SECT OF PEOPLE"....whereas to me?..."Religion" is something you either have and acknoledge or you don't.

Are Jewish Folk Christian?...Are Buhdists Christian?....Was the American Indian Christian?...Did any of these folk have some form of "Religion"?...now...did all of them claim a denomination?

I was raised Christian...but after researching the truth of the past i'm not so certain that i'd either choose nor claim the label of that particular denomination/religion..as upon a closer, truthful look at the past?...Christians have done some god aweful bad (if not down right "Horrific") shid in the name of "Chistianity".

Christians typically limit themselves (and their mental capacity) to thinking inside a very small box...a box that was built over the ages by numerous christian men who assumed their roles as leader of the flock...not god....that's one box that God didn't build....man did...often times for purposes of greed and power...self rightousely treading right through the seven deadly sins.

Not many religions/denominations are without past faults and?...sharing their fair share of false prophecy...which is why i claim no denomination...but that definantly doesn't mean i don't have "Religion"...yet my religion carrys no man made label.

L8R, Bill.

Hmm I sense you have a lot of hatred in you..

And from this post and others, you seem to have animosity towards me.

Sorry for whatever issues you have..

nuth'in but love here brutha...besides...i'm not the one attempting to "demonize" anyone in this thread...just open, intellectual debate.

 

[JET-A]

Can someone tell me why it is that MOST of the recognized religions on earth today have some form of "Thou shalt not kill" language, but more wars have been started over religion than anything else?

Thou shalt not kill... (Unless you are a jew/Catholic/protestant/etc....)

Just one more thing I will fail to understand. Even after the BEST of explanations.

I have enjoyed the contrast of thoughts here. I feel if we are all to have freewill, then why should humanity have police forces to remove same freewill. If GOD wants us to all have freewill, then let us have it. Why would we "mere humans" attempt to undo something GOD wanted us to have.

I feel everyone should be allowed to believe in what they believe in UNTIL it begins to interfere with someone else's rights. A priest who molests kids in a church needs to be burnt at the stake. Period! Yet the "Christians" allow them to continue to preach the gospel.

I know I have shown my ignorance here, but I believe in what I believe in. I will say it again. If I had the power for a day, the innocents would remain innocent unless THEY chose to lose it without harming anyone else.

Just my .02.

Todd

 

[thrasherfox]

(JET-A @ Mar. 27 2007,18:13) Can someone tell me why it is that MOST of the recognized religions on earth today have some form of "Thou shalt not kill" language, but more wars have been started over religion than anything else?

Thou shalt not kill... (Unless you are a jew/Catholic/protestant/etc....)

Just one more thing I will fail to understand. Even after the BEST of explanations.

I have enjoyed the contrast of thoughts here. I feel if we are all to have freewill, then why should humanity have police forces to remove same freewill. If GOD wants us to all have freewill, then let us have it. Why would we "mere humans" attempt to undo something GOD wanted us to have.

I feel everyone should be allowed to believe in what they believe in UNTIL it begins to interfere with someone else's rights. A priest who molests kids in a church needs to be burnt at the stake. Period! Yet the "Christians" allow them to continue to preach the gospel.

I know I have shown my ignorance here, but I believe in what I believe in. I will say it again. If I had the power for a day, the innocents would remain innocent unless THEY chose to lose it without harming anyone else.

Just my .02.

Todd

I haven’t read all of your thread, figured I would jump in and "try" to answer as I read your comments / questions.


You are right, I would tend to agree most conflicts and most wars were started due to some "religion".

However if you dig deeper you will find a human behind them and the primary goal was greed, thirst for power and money, Religion has always been the scape goat as an excuse for humans to justify what they do.

Just like the current Jihad, and Muslim terrorist. they are trying to entice people to fight stating it is what God wants.

It isn’t what God wants. these people want domination over others, these people want women to walk behind them and do their will. and the best way to get people to fight for someone is to convince them they are fighting for God.

Some tyrant isn't going to convince thousands or millions of people to fight and lay down their life because they (the ruler / tyrant wants more land, or more riches, but if you tell them the almighty commands them to do this. then people will either do it because they are afraid not to, or because they have been convinced that is what God wants.

So, in my opinion, most wars that were so called "in the name of God" were started by mere men with a thirst for power, and I make this statement towards any and all so called religions

The Christian Crusades, man did Christians get a bad rap on that one. That was ALLLL about power and greed, didn’t have nothing to do with God, but that is what people were told and that is why Muslims have a heart burn when you mention crusades. In truth it wasn’t God who wanted that, it was mere men thirsting for power and wealth and control


And the whole Thou shall not kill.

again my interpretation.

You are not supposed to go out and kill someone in cold blood and take their life just because you can, nor are you suppose to take someone’s life for revenge (except in the case where a government authorizes an execution (it is in the bible))

But I don’t think there is anything wrong with taken a persons life if it is in self defense. Yes Jesus preached to turn the other cheek. But I have a conviction in my heart if someone were trying to take my life or that of someone I cared about and I eliminated the thread I honestly feel God wouldn’t have a problem with that. God just doesn’t want us going around killing innocent people in cold blood.

Free will..

Yes humans are given free will, however, we have also been placed on this earth as stewards of this earth.

Laws and the ability to enforce laws was given to man by God as a way to be stewards of this planet.

All rulers of this planet have been placed in their positions by God. even ones that are ungodly, this is a fallen world and because there are non believers, there must be rulers that are non believers to enforce the laws for non believers.

Refer to Romans 13:1

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage....chapter

Heck, hate to say it. But look at Iraq, that is a screwed up situation over there. In my opinion after we took things over, and just before Saddam was executed and the Iraqi people were not doing much to help their own country and just allowing US blood to be spilled we should have got Saddam out of Jail, brushed him and off and said “you know what, we made a mistake, you had everything under control here in this part of the world, guess what, you can have it backâ€

I am sooo fricken tired of the Iraq situation, and mainly the Iraqi people. ALL of the Iraqi people have the chance for freedom, to be able to make choices on their own and what are they doing? Whining about what the United States isn’t doing for them. They should be finding these terrorists themselves and taking their country back into their own hands..

But no, they have no problems letting US soldiers spill their blood so they don’t have to.

That part of the world has always been in so much turmoil, and they are sooooo used to war that it is NOTHING for their country to be at war. We don’t know how to control that. And with our laws we cant control that, with the world watching we cant do what is needed. We need to be over there just kicking the crap out of these people (terrorists and sympathizers ) , they don’t understand mercy, so we shouldn’t be showing them any.

Problem is we cant do that. That is what that country needs and how it needs to be controlled, and Saddam did a good job at it (well except for the killing of innocent children and women) but the point is Saddam had his country under control we, the United States will NEVER get that country under control. The Iraqi people need to step up to the plate and do it.

So yeah, even Saddam was put in control of Iraq because he could control the country, he however probably crossed the line and that is why God removed him from power.


Christians fall under the authority of God and will be held accountable to God while in this world, and while in this world God will often use the authority of man to hold Christians accountable and after physical death Christians are held accountable to God.

Non believers fall under the authority of man in this world and are accountable to man for their actions while in this world and then will be held accountable to God after this world

We humans do have freewill but there needs to be an authority on earth to ensure that one persons freewill does not trample upon another persons rights. There has to be some kind of order or there will be complete and total chaos.

As far as priests who molest kids and continue to preach. Yeah. That is wrong. And btw, that is mostly in the Catholic church. How that whole thing ever got started and why the catholic leadership allowed that crap to happen I will never understand, other than to say anyone that was aware was a corrupt individual and they were practicing a cult. Your right I feel the same way. They should have been properly dealt with. By execution.

But please do not compare Christians to Catholics. While Catholics profess to be Christians, and I have known some good catholic priests, for the most part Catholicism promotes practices that are not biblical (idolatry, confession of sin to a human (no longer required, encouraging the flock to just trust their priest and to not read the bible themselves etc etc)

Now, not all Catholics do this, and as I said I have met some good priests that are more Christian than catholic, but true Catholicism do things that are not biblical and are in contradiction to the bible they teach from.

Well, this will probably open up a new can of worms..


Anyway, hope this helped in some way

 

[thrasherfox]

Oh and wanted to give one last perspective / insight in regards to freewill.

Freewill meaning we are not programmed to do something. We are not wired to know only right and nothing else.

Creatures in heaven are basically programmed to worship God, they don't have freewill. They were created for one purpose, to worship.

I believe (and my belief) that angels were originally created this way also. I feel at one time God gave freewill to angels. at which time some chose to continue to follow God, others chose to rebel against God, hence the beginning of the war of angels and the fall of Lucifer and many other angels with him.

Enter next idea, create a being from scratch that has freewill from the beginning.

Enter mankind.

Todd - do not mistake consequences for ones actions as lack of freewill, there is a definable difference.

We as humans have free will to do ANYTHING we want. You can be as good as a person as you want to be, and you can be as evil as you want and you can be somewhere in between. You can be on a sliding scale and be really evil some times and really good others. That is freewill. You have that.

However your choices have consequences.

If you go up to some guy twice your size and just smack the crap out of him, you have that ability, there is no one stopping you. You have freewill to do that.

However that guy twice your size also has freewill and can choose to ignore you, or choose to do his best to lay a smack down on you.

If you have a wife or g/f and you choose to cheat on her, you can do so. And if she finds out she has the freewill to cut your nuts off in your sleep. She might go to jail for it, and she might get away with it.

Bottom line is, do you get my point? We are not pre programmed creatures. We have the freewill to do anything anytime we want. The only thing is we must deal with the consequences of our actions that usually are exacted upon us by other humans that have the same freewill to do as they please..

What you want (at least I gather from you post

) is you want freewill to do what ever you want without consequences (I think that is what you were driving at)

 

[thrasherfox]

BTW. AND THIS IS REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT:

Since I have been doing all this talk about God, pointing scriptures and all this other stuff. it is important for me to say that I have probably one of the blackest hearts around lol..

I feel I am pretty much evil to the core. I love God I try to do what I am supposed to do. but I am a sinner, I have sinned in so many ways and so many times over my life there is no way I could ever come close to comprehending how much I have sinned.

And I will continue to sin.

and I personally have the potential for great evil and great sin. fortunately my burden of sin is not real perverted so I thank God I don't have that burden.

I just have a really evil heart in a lot of ways.

One of the reasons I don't serve in my church. I just don't feel right. I have talked to God about it and told him if I ever get my act together then I will consider serving in the church in some capacity, but not at this time.

Anyway. I only wanted to share this because I dont want anyone to think I think highly of myself. because I don't. I am probably as a Christian on a scale of 1 to 10 about a 1 lol.. I just happen to have been around a bit and know scripture. AND I happen to understand the concept that I am forgiven and all I can do is continue to try.

So I don't walk around bummed out, thinking I am worthless and stuff like that. just honest with myself and I know God loves me anyway even though I am an idiot most of the time lol

Just didn't want people getting the wrong impression of how I feel about myself and stuff..

 

[SAMBUSA]

One day a while back, a man, his heart heavy with grief, was walking in
> >the woods. As he thought about his life this day, he knew many things
> >were not right. He thought about those who had lied about him back when
> >he had a job.
> >
> >His thoughts turn ed to those who had stolen his things and cheated him.
> >
> >He remembered family that had passed on. His mind turned to the illness
> >he had that no one could cure. His very soul was filled with anger,
> >resentment and frustration.
> >
> >Standing there this day, searching for answers he could no t find,
> >knowing all else had failed him, he knelt at the base of an old oak tree
> >to seek the one he knew would always be there. And with tears in his
> >eyes, he prayed:
> >
> >"Lord- You have done wonderful things for me in this life. You have told
> >me to do many things for you, and I happily obeyed. Today, you have told
> >me to forgive. I am sad, Lord, because I cannot. I don't know how. It is
> >not fair Lord. I didn't deserve these wrongs that were done against me
> >and I shouldn't have to forgive. As perfect as your way is Lord, this
> >one thing I cannot do, for I don't know how to forgive. My anger is so
> >deep Lord, I fear I may not hear you, but I pray that you teach me to do
> >this one thing I cannot do - Teach me To Forgive."
> >
> >As he knelt there in the quiet shade of that old oak tree, he felt
> >something fall onto his shoulder. He opened his eyes. Out of the corner
> >of one eye, he saw something red on his shirt.
> >
> >He could not turn to see what it was because where the oak tree had been
> >was a large square piece of wood in the ground. He raised his head and
> >saw two feet held to the wood with a large spike through them.
> >
> >He raised his head more, and tears came to his eyes as he saw Jesus
> >hanging on a cross. He saw spikes in His hands, a gash in His side, a
> >torn and battered body, deep thorns sunk into His head. Final ly he saw
> >the suffering and pain on His precious face As their eyes met, the
> >man's tears turned to sobbing, and Jesus began to speak.
> >
> >"Have you ever told a lie?" He asked?
> >
> >The man answered - "yes, Lord."
> >
> >"Have you ever been given too much change and kept it?"
> >
> >The man answered - " yes. Lord." And the man sobbed more and more.
> >
> >"Have you ever taken something from work that wasn't yours?" Jesus
> >asked?
> >
> >And the man answered - "yes, Lord."
> >
> >"Have you ever sworn, using my Father's name in vain? "
> >
> >The man, crying no w, answered - "yes, Lord."
> >
> >As Jesus asked many more times, "Have you ever"? The man's crying became
> >uncontrollable, for he could only answer - "yes, Lord."
> >
> >Then J esus turned His head from one side to the other, and the man felt
> >something fall on his other shoulder. He looked and saw that it was the
> >blood of Jesus. When he looked back up, his eyes met those of Jesus, and
> >there was a look of love the man had never seen or known before.
> >
> >Jesus said, "I didn't deserve this either, but I forgive you."
> >
> >It may be hard to see how you're going to get through something, but
> >when you look back in life, you realize how true this statement is.
> >
> >Read the following first line slowly and let it sink in.
> >
> >If God brings you to it - He will bring you through it.
> >
> >When Jesus died on the cross, he was thinking of you! If you are one of
> >the 7% who will stand up for him, forward this with the Title 7.%

93% of people wont forward this

 

[WWJD]

Wow. This has been an amazing read! Better than scripted Reality TV, better than books! Everyone has done a wonderful job in expressing their viewpoints, opinions and theorys. Now I'd like to express a couple of my perspectives.

First, how a Christian feels whenever he opens his mouth.

Chritian [walking down the street with his Unbelieving buddy]:
"Say, look at that! The cops are busting that guy with cuffs and everything! He must have done something bad."

Un [stops and punches his arm] yells "SEE??? There ya go JUDGING AGAIN, cuz you are a Christian and that makes you better than that guy! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HIM!..."

C: "... um... ok... but the cuffs...."

Un: "Oh no! You can't justify your way out of THIS one, YOU are a HYPOCRITICAL FAKE!"

C: ".... ..... uh... sorry? ..."

Un: "WHATEVER! Lets keep walking..."

[moments later]

C: "aw... look at that poor squished butterfly on the sidewalk..... "

Un: "YEAH! Poor thing is probably BURNING IN H311 right now because nobody told him about JESUS! Must have been an 'EVIL BUTTERFLY' to die like that in his prime, huh?"

C: ".. I just...."

Un: "Yeah YOU JUST.... you JUST JUDGED that butterfly, saying he's dead and burning in HECK!"

C: "What are you doing? Trying to fight with me?"

Un: "Oh sure, put this back on me. JUDGING ME now are we? Asking ME all the questions is just evasion!"

C: "WHAT??"

Un: "Sorry, Halo-Hank! I don't think I can be friends with such a blindly judgemental person! Good bye."

C: ".................. what? "


If you think I'm just joking, think again. We get jumped on for every little thing that comes out of our mouth, because, APPARENTLY, Christians become INHUMAN when they are saved. And just pointing out the obvious, the factual, even the AGREED upon, becomes a "JUDGEMENT". THAT is insane - and hard to live with also. Other insane things I've read say things like Christians TOTALLY IGNORE child molesters, yet HATE OPRAH because she has money. Go back through and read this thread over - just like I did and that is the summary. Why would ANYONE think ANYBODY is ignoring child molestation and ONLY focus on Oprah? Thrasher answered the questions wonderfully, but I as a Christian were told I ignore ALL OTHER harm in the world.

Not True.

It IS true that I, personally, am not ACTIVELY INVOLVED in the prevention of, or working with the victims of molestation, but that is not MY calling. And how many of you are invloded in that specific endeavor? Good for you if ya are.

There are many, many MANY other people that do a wonderful job helping people with that issue, both in and out of Chritianity. .... and the TEA in China? Huh? ? ? ? What do those polarizing statements - designed to make Christians look bent, twisted and hypocritical - do to serve the Oprah debate?

I saw part of the Secret crap on her show. I HAD to shut it off. My "holy spirit" sends off warning signals when I subject myself to ugliness. These people are just making up thier own theories.

And who said OPRAH was "Evil"? ? I didn't read that anywhere. Yes, there is a clip of Oprah on a christian site, insiting people to watch out for that kind of propaganda. Kinda like when you tell your kids things to look for when coming face to face with preachers that may have trouble with perversion. I guess we should just lay down and ignore it or go hide in our sancuaries and sing Koobyah?

Maybe Oprah IS the devil. Who ever said the devil had to be a hairy monster with a pitch fork chucking people into the hot zone? I've seen man's pictured interpretations, but I have never seen HIM or HER myself. If I was the devil, I'd win everyone over easily with so many good deeds they would THEEENK swimming in fire was the latest cool thing I allowed them to desire.

Now about the theory of quantum physics. One word: "THEORY". Just like the "THEORY" that the Jesus cat was the son of God. Someone show many ANY SCIENTISTS with ANY PROOF of utilizing that 90% to accomplish anything more than thinking up more crazy "Theories", and I will show you a million lives changed by an unproven God, not just in this decade of "enlightenment" but since the dawn of time..... REAL PEOPLE affected for the better, in REAL ways. Not THEORY PEOPLE on a paper some place. Lets tally up "PROOFS", shall we?

I don't fear Oprah, or feel my faith is threatened. I fear that...

"People that don't STAND for something, will FALL for anything."

I don't even care who's quote that is, it's so true. Isn't is EASIER to believe in modern people in nice clothes with theories of quantum physics, with colorful videos that make sense, marketed as "A secret" to appealling to the 'juicey gossip hungry' world than it is to believe some robe wearing, hebrew speaking sheperds on the other side of the globe? Sure it is.


But....

You let me know when any of these modern Bible rewrites change the world in such a significant way as Jesus/God thing, and I will convert right over and admit I was totally wrong in my belief.

PERSPECTIVE:

The Hayabusa will always be THE KING of bikes because it did what no other could do, stayed the course, STILL holds that reputation, STILL runs rides and feels great in TODAYS world - now come the imitators - trying to make it better by taking one part and changing it - everyone running off with parts of it's greatness and trying to make their OWN greatness for it. Is the ZX-14 a King? No. It goes fast, but lacks everything else the Busa has, mostly proven longevity.

Praise be to the KING!

I better reread this before pushing submit, to be sure that I offend everyone at once.
Yep. Looks good.

 

[thepushercg]

 

[JET-A]

This just goes to show how truly professional nearly everyone is on this board. To touch upon a subject so near and dear to the heart, with so many differing viewpoints and still continue the discussion without becoming a bash-fest.

We agree to disagree.

I am proud to be a part of this group.

 

[thrasherfox]

(WWJD @ Mar. 28 2007,17:45) Wow. This has been an amazing read!  Better than scripted Reality TV, better than books!  Everyone has done a wonderful job in expressing their viewpoints, opinions and theorys.   Now I'd like to express a couple of my perspectives.

First, how a Christian feels whenever he opens his mouth.

Chritian [walking down the street with his Unbelieving buddy]:
  "Say, look at that!  The cops are busting that guy with cuffs and everything!  He must have done something bad."

Un [stops and punches his arm] yells "SEE??? There ya go JUDGING AGAIN, cuz you are a Christian and that makes you better than that guy!  YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HIM!..."

C:  "... um... ok... but the cuffs...."

Un: "Oh no!  You can't justify your way out of THIS one, YOU are a HYPOCRITICAL FAKE!"

C:  ".... ..... uh... sorry? ..."

Un: "WHATEVER!  Lets keep walking..."

[moments later]

C:  "aw... look at that poor squished butterfly on the sidewalk..... "

Un: "YEAH!  Poor thing is probably BURNING IN H311 right now because nobody told him about JESUS!  Must have been an 'EVIL BUTTERFLY' to die like that in his prime, huh?"

C:  ".. I just...."

Un:  "Yeah YOU JUST.... you JUST JUDGED that butterfly, saying he's dead and burning in HECK!"

C:  "What are you doing?  Trying to fight with me?"

Un:  "Oh sure, put this back on me.  JUDGING ME now are we?  Asking ME all the questions is just evasion!"

C:  "WHAT??"

Un:  "Sorry, Halo-Hank!  I don't think I can be friends with such a blindly judgemental person!  Good bye."

C:  "..................  what? "


If you think I'm just joking, think again.  We get jumped on for every little thing that comes out of our mouth, because, APPARENTLY, Christians become INHUMAN when they are saved.  And just pointing out the obvious, the factual, even the AGREED upon, becomes a "JUDGEMENT".  THAT is insane - and hard to live with also.  Other insane things I've read say things like Christians TOTALLY IGNORE child molesters, yet HATE OPRAH because she has money.   Go back through and read this thread over - just like I did and that is the summary.   Why would ANYONE think ANYBODY is ignoring child molestation and ONLY focus on Oprah?  Thrasher answered the questions wonderfully, but I as a Christian were told I ignore ALL OTHER harm in the world.

Not True.

It IS true that I, personally, am not ACTIVELY INVOLVED in the prevention of, or working with the victims of molestation, but that is not MY calling.  And how many of you are invloded in that specific endeavor?  Good for you if ya are.  

 There are many, many MANY other people that do a wonderful job helping people with that issue, both in and out of Chritianity.  .... and the TEA in China?    Huh? ? ? ?  What do those polarizing statements - designed to make Christians look bent, twisted and hypocritical - do to serve the Oprah debate?

I saw part of the Secret crap on her show.  I HAD to shut it off.  My "holy spirit" sends off warning signals when I subject myself to ugliness.  These people are just making up thier own theories.

And who said OPRAH was "Evil"? ?  I didn't read that anywhere.  Yes, there is a clip of Oprah on a christian site, insiting people to watch out for that kind of propaganda.  Kinda like when you tell your kids things to look for when coming face to face with preachers that may have trouble with perversion.  I guess we should just lay down and ignore it or go hide in our sancuaries and sing Koobyah?

Maybe Oprah IS the devil.  Who ever said the devil had to be a hairy monster with a pitch fork chucking people into the hot zone?  I've seen man's pictured interpretations, but I have never seen HIM or HER myself.  If I was the devil, I'd win everyone over easily with so many good deeds they would THEEENK swimming in fire was the latest cool thing I allowed them to desire.

Now about the theory of quantum physics.  One word:  "THEORY".  Just like the "THEORY" that the Jesus cat was the son of God.  Someone show many ANY SCIENTISTS with ANY PROOF of utilizing that 90% to accomplish anything more than thinking up more crazy "Theories", and I will show you a million lives changed by an unproven God, not just in this decade of "enlightenment" but since the dawn of time.....  REAL PEOPLE affected for the better, in REAL ways.   Not THEORY PEOPLE on a paper some place.  Lets tally up "PROOFS", shall we?

I don't fear Oprah, or feel my faith is threatened.  I fear that...

"People that don't STAND for something, will FALL for anything."  

I don't even care who's quote that is, it's so true.  Isn't is EASIER to believe in modern people in nice clothes with theories of quantum physics, with colorful videos that make sense, marketed as "A secret" to appealling to the 'juicey gossip hungry' world than it is to believe some robe wearing, hebrew speaking sheperds on the other side of the globe?  Sure it is.  


But....

You let me know when any of these modern Bible rewrites change the world in such a significant way as Jesus/God thing, and I will convert right over and admit I was totally wrong in my belief.

PERSPECTIVE:

The Hayabusa will always be THE KING of bikes because it did what no other could do, stayed the course, STILL holds that reputation, STILL runs rides and feels great in TODAYS world - now come the imitators - trying to make it better by taking one part and changing it - everyone running off with parts of it's greatness and trying to make their OWN greatness for it.  Is the ZX-14 a King?  No.  It goes fast, but lacks everything else the Busa has, mostly proven longevity.

Praise be to the KING!  

I better reread this before pushing submit, to be sure that I offend everyone at once.
Yep.  Looks good.  

Yep. I would say that is how I feel sometimes. good job articulating that!!!

 

[BigDawg_03Busa]

John 14:6-7 says: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Now there are many beliefs in gods and religions today and God knew there would be.  That being said what separates a TRUE CHRISTIAN (research where the word came from) believes from every other belief......You can't get to the Father unless ya go through the Son!!!  That eliminates all the imitators baby, no Jesus wasn't an arch angel, no Jesus didn't have a thing with Mary Magdalene (other than salvation), no He is not still on the cross, no a priest can't obtain repentence for you!!!  Yes Jesus it the ONLY way to the Father.

Believe it or not but every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (Romans 14:11-12).

Jesus also teaches us to be fruit inspectors (Matthew 7:15-20) meaning if I say I'm a Christian my works will demonstrate it.  I can't say I love the Lord, but don't keep His commandments.  Likewise I understand keeping His commandments doesn't save me, but it's my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.  I keep His commandments first because I can't help it (the Love of God saturates true believers by the Holy Spirit) and secondly obedience is better than sacrifice.

Oprah won't admit this because she's more concerned with ratings and $$$ which is why Jesus says the road to heaven is difficult for the rich (Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:24).  Likewise, look at today's televised "church" and see what $$$ has caused.  If I see one more sermon on "holy spring water" or "annointed prayer cloths" I'm going to puke.  That's why CHRISTIANITY is not a religion it's a relationship.  Once you know Christ, no man, woman, demon, dog, cat, bird or fish can separate you from that unconditional love.  Remember we don't straddle the fence with God, we're either playing for His team or the advesary's team.

God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility.

Have a Christ filled one
BD

 

[WWJD]

ah come on. Oprah is not about money. Didn't you read she has completely stopped accepting an abundant paycheck, to focus on helping people for free to PROVE she is not about money? Oh wait... that's right.... I made that part up.

 

[Lamb busa]

(BigDawg_03Busa @ Mar. 29 2007,08:26) John 14:6-7 says: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Now there are many beliefs in gods and religions today and God knew there would be.  That being said what separates a TRUE CHRISTIAN (research where the word came from) believes from every other belief......You can't get to the Father unless ya go through the Son!!!  That eliminates all the imitators baby, no Jesus wasn't an arch angel, no Jesus didn't have a thing with Mary Magdalene (other than salvation), no He is not still on the cross, no a priest can't obtain repentence for you!!!  Yes Jesus it the ONLY way to the Father.

Believe it or not but every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (Romans 14:11-12).

Jesus also teaches us to be fruit inspectors (Matthew 7:15-20) meaning if I say I'm a Christian my works will demonstrate it.  I can't say I love the Lord, but don't keep His commandments.  Likewise I understand keeping His commandments doesn't save me, but it's my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.  I keep His commandments first because I can't help it (the Love of God saturates true believers by the Holy Spirit) and secondly obedience is better than sacrifice.

Oprah won't admit this because she's more concerned with ratings and $$$ which is why Jesus says the road to heaven is difficult for the rich (Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:24).  Likewise, look at today's televised "church" and see what $$$ has caused.  If I see one more sermon on "holy spring water" or "annointed prayer cloths" I'm going to puke.  That's why CHRISTIANITY is not a religion it's a relationship.  Once you know Christ, no man, woman, demon, dog, cat, bird or fish can separate you from that unconditional love.  Remember we don't straddle the fence with God, we're either playing for His team or the advesary's team.

God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility.

Have a Christ filled one
BD

What an EGO this GOD has!  Makes me sick!  "God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility".
Lamb hopes you feel better about yourself after a statement like that!  Lamb also likes how you put the final sentence, to make it look like your editorial is part of scripture............precious.  This is just a basic example of how MAN changes words and phrases to suit his needs and wants and beliefs.   You just did it here, how many times has it happened before it was put into final edition king james version that is so popular with todays automatons?

 

[extensive]

i actually agree with oprah. wow.

 

[SAMBUSA]

(Lamb busa @ Mar. 29 2007,14:47)

(BigDawg_03Busa @ Mar. 29 2007,08:26) John 14:6-7 says: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Now there are many beliefs in gods and religions today and God knew there would be.  That being said what separates a TRUE CHRISTIAN (research where the word came from) believes from every other belief......You can't get to the Father unless ya go through the Son!!!  That eliminates all the imitators baby, no Jesus wasn't an arch angel, no Jesus didn't have a thing with Mary Magdalene (other than salvation), no He is not still on the cross, no a priest can't obtain repentence for you!!!  Yes Jesus it the ONLY way to the Father.

Believe it or not but every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (Romans 14:11-12).

Jesus also teaches us to be fruit inspectors (Matthew 7:15-20) meaning if I say I'm a Christian my works will demonstrate it.  I can't say I love the Lord, but don't keep His commandments.  Likewise I understand keeping His commandments doesn't save me, but it's my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.  I keep His commandments first because I can't help it (the Love of God saturates true believers by the Holy Spirit) and secondly obedience is better than sacrifice.

Oprah won't admit this because she's more concerned with ratings and $$$ which is why Jesus says the road to heaven is difficult for the rich (Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:24).  Likewise, look at today's televised "church" and see what $$$ has caused.  If I see one more sermon on "holy spring water" or "annointed prayer cloths" I'm going to puke.  That's why CHRISTIANITY is not a religion it's a relationship.  Once you know Christ, no man, woman, demon, dog, cat, bird or fish can separate you from that unconditional love.  Remember we don't straddle the fence with God, we're either playing for His team or the advesary's team.

God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility.

Have a Christ filled one
BD

What an EGO this GOD has!  Makes me sick!  "God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility".
Lamb hopes you feel better about yourself after a statement like that!  Lamb also likes how you put the final sentence inside the quotes to make it look like your editorial is part of scripture............precious.  This is just a basic example of how MAN changes words and phrases to suit his needs and wants and beliefs.   You just did it here, how many times has it happened before it was put into final edition king james version that is so popular with todays automatons?

Yeah, didn't pick that up. The "remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6)" part was scripture and the rest of it was his words. Pretty clear to me. Maybe it's just an excuse for you to justify not reading it for yourself. Because it's not 100% accurate translation from the begining. Lame

 

[WWJD]

how can you QUESTION a "GOD"? ? ? okay there is all this stuff about "WORSHIP ME WORSHIP ME" etc and we are like, "Shya.... right big d00d... you have an EGO!" So? WE are using our human imperfections to catagorize GOD? How in the heck... HOW is THAT possible? "Boy he sure is selfish..." What? He gave us EVERYTHING [that's if you believe he exists at all]

How HUMAN and self important of us to QUESTION the motives of someone or something so far beyond our possible comprehensions.

Question: as a father, how do you feel when your young ones do any of the following:
1. they hug you and tell you they love you, and tell you you're the BEST daddy in the world
2. they do something really cool that makes you proud YOU raised them that way
3. they hang around you watching you work on something and you KNOW they are in awe of you and admiring all your skills

Feel good at all? My, my what an EGO you have

*If you don't believe it's possible that there is more in the universe that what you can immediately classify scientifically, then the previous words were pointless for you. Don't read them

 

[thrasherfox]

Hey Aughtsix.

I got an email with a post you made but it isnt showing up in here. I got the text version in email, post it again will ya. I thought it was a good comment

 

[BigDawg_03Busa]

(Lamb busa @ Mar. 29 2007,11:47)

(BigDawg_03Busa @ Mar. 29 2007,08:26) John 14:6-7 says: Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Now there are many beliefs in gods and religions today and God knew there would be.  That being said what separates a TRUE CHRISTIAN (research where the word came from) believes from every other belief......You can't get to the Father unless ya go through the Son!!!  That eliminates all the imitators baby, no Jesus wasn't an arch angel, no Jesus didn't have a thing with Mary Magdalene (other than salvation), no He is not still on the cross, no a priest can't obtain repentence for you!!!  Yes Jesus it the ONLY way to the Father.

Believe it or not but every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (Romans 14:11-12).

Jesus also teaches us to be fruit inspectors (Matthew 7:15-20) meaning if I say I'm a Christian my works will demonstrate it.  I can't say I love the Lord, but don't keep His commandments.  Likewise I understand keeping His commandments doesn't save me, but it's my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.  I keep His commandments first because I can't help it (the Love of God saturates true believers by the Holy Spirit) and secondly obedience is better than sacrifice.

Oprah won't admit this because she's more concerned with ratings and $$$ which is why Jesus says the road to heaven is difficult for the rich (Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:24).  Likewise, look at today's televised "church" and see what $$$ has caused.  If I see one more sermon on "holy spring water" or "annointed prayer cloths" I'm going to puke.  That's why CHRISTIANITY is not a religion it's a relationship.  Once you know Christ, no man, woman, demon, dog, cat, bird or fish can separate you from that unconditional love.  Remember we don't straddle the fence with God, we're either playing for His team or the advesary's team.

God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility.

Have a Christ filled one
BD

What an EGO this GOD has!  Makes me sick!  "God bless and remember God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) so if ya want to know talk to Him, read His word, fellowship with Him.  Otherwise, your story of unbelief has no credibility".
Lamb hopes you feel better about yourself after a statement like that!  Lamb also likes how you put the final sentence,  to make it look like your editorial is part of scripture............precious.  This is just a basic example of how MAN changes words and phrases to suit his needs and wants and beliefs.   You just did it here, how many times has it happened before it was put into final edition king james version that is so popular with todays automatons?

Not sure what Lamb was really trying to say, but BigDawg used the scripture as a reference to what BigDawg was saying so noone could say BigDawg just made it up. Oh and I feel good about myself right now more for my understanding as to my end, not because of anyone else's belief or lack there of.

My beliefs and comments are based on the revealed scripture I have read, heard preached and heart taught and on that day God isn't going to ask YOU what BigDawg or anyone else said about His word, rather how did YOU apply it.

Have a Christ filled one