The issues of the world......

[jellyrug]

Yes a few in comparison to the Arab population of Dearborn and the state of Michigan. No mention from Fox about how Arab leaders and citizens denounced the flag burning and chanting. It's biased reporting like this from Fox that leads to even more hate crimes against Arab Americans that had no part in the abhorrent behavior.

What is the difference between few, several and many?

Are all the anti semitism protests we have seen a few? I saw many, making up big crowds, with flag stomping, burning, more than a few separate protests, all with many participants.

Are the almost 10 million migrants who crossed our borders illegally a few?

 

[Bumblebee]

Yes a few in comparison to the Arab population of Dearborn and the state of Michigan. No mention from Fox about how Arab leaders and citizens denounced the flag burning and chanting. It's biased reporting like this from Fox that leads to even more hate crimes against Arab Americans that had no part in the abhorrent behavior.

The fact this is happening on US soil and being tolerated at all is alarming to begin with regardless of which media is reporting it.......people need to be rounded up and deported immediately....

Here's a few other media sources covering similar things happening in New York.......

 

[Bumblebee]

What is the difference between few, several and many?

Are all the anti semitism protests we have seen a few? I saw many, making up big crowds, with flag stomping, burning, more than a few separate protests, all with many participants.

Are the almost 10 million migrants who crossed our borders illegally a few?

The issue this causes will become very aware when the Middle East blows up and war is declared dragging the west into it...

Then all these flag burning anti-Americans will become a real problem for Homeland Security......and does anyone think for a second that they will don the American uniform and fight for the US? Not a chance........

Other western nations will be in the same predicament......

 

[jellyrug]

The fact this is happening on US soil and being tolerated at all is alarming to begin with regardless of which media is reporting it.......people need to be rounded up and deported immediately....

Here's a few other media sources covering similar things happening in New York.......

In Germany, even if you are a tourist, should you dare a Hitler salute in public, you are off to jail.

Just to emphasize how ridiculous it is that this behavior is tolerated in the US.

Just imagine what would happen to each of those protesters, should they dare similar behavior in the countries they represent in their protests.

 

[Bumblebee]

In Germany, even if you are a tourist, should you dare a Hitler salute in public, you are off to jail.

Just to emphasize how ridiculous it is that this behavior is tolerated in the US.

They should be rounded up and sent packing before they become a future problem....

I've always said, if where someone came from is so much better than where they are now, they should be going back.

Where are all the rednecks when you need them?

 

[Bumblebee]

I once had an immigrant tell me he was a better Canadian than many because he chose to come here and went through a lot to get here whereas people born here don't realize just how good they have it and take it for granted....

I couldn't disagree with him....

Then we get on the other side of the fence and see the sort of thing that is happening all over the west where immigrants come to our countries with no interest or desire to integrate into western culture or society. There is very little blending of cultures anymore like there was in the past.

 

[VaBusa]

Talking with a neighbor who is actually a little woke and they agreed that if people in the LGTBQ community would just live their life and not feel the need to advertise what their sexual orientation was, life would be far simpler for them...

It's the extremists who feel the need to place their lifestyle out in the open and use it as a weapon that draws the most ire amongst people who don't condone or agree with their lifestyle....

Here in Canada these people have the same rights as everyone else, they could just live their lives like everyone else and nobody would be none the wiser to their way of life.

People in the fetish community have rights, I wonder how people would react if they advertised their fetishes and expected everyone to accept and respect their view points-no matter how nasty some of these fetishes might be,,,,

I have personal experiences with this subject and your neighbor is correct. I have two people very close to me, one just lives his life like we all do, work, hobbies, time with family and friends...he was even employed in a former life by Pride in NYC and I suspect he finally left that job to escape the endless need to only care about "the cause". He's one of my dearest friends and one of the funniest people I know...smart, witty, and never ever ever shoving down anyone's throat a single thing about being gay. He's a happy and contributing member to society.

The other feels the need to only care about the LGBTQ community, every cause, every complaint, every blog and post she makes is only about what she cares about that's near and dear to her. She's so wrapped up in it, she can't speak eloquently on anything anymore. There are no civil conversations because the world is out to get her and her "tribe". She's lost the ability to see anything through a clear lens, and feels it's her job to tell everyone else how they should feel, how they've wronged her, how they should vote, you name it...always boils back down to her only caring about a small segment of the population, not humanity in general. She's queen of "the talking points" and if you press beyond those, you just get her rage. She's generally a miserable human...

The differences I see between these two people are pretty astounding...I've attributed it to exactly what your neighbor said.

 

[airborneuph]

Kind of like the need to change the mufflers on your Hayabusa (or Harley !) for louder ones, to shove your need for getting noticed in other people's faces .. At least with LGBTQ you aren't forced to to lookif it bothers you, but with the loud pipes you're forced to hear it no matter what ..

Unless maybe you carry earplugs with you ..

 

[Bumblebee]

Kind of like the need to change the mufflers on your Hayabusa (or Harley !) for louder ones, to shove your need for getting noticed in other people's faces .. At least with LGBTQ you aren't forced to to lookif it bothers you, but with the loud pipes you're forced to hear it no matter what ..

Unless maybe you carry earplugs with you ..

Around here they paint crosswalks in pride colors and fly flags everywhere so yes, you can not look, but it would be hard...

We don't have a pride parade here (yet) but all our larger urban cities have them and it's hard to ignore those.....if you live there.

I get you regarding the equation between annoying noise and visual acuity......there is a difference but one would need a blindfold and earplugs, which one is harder to drive wearing I wonder?

I only say I wonder because of the drivers around here sometimes seem to be wearing a blindfold......

 

[Red05]

What is the difference between few, several and many?

Are all the anti semitism protests we have seen a few? I saw many, making up big crowds, with flag stomping, burning, more than a few separate protests, all with many participants.

Are the almost 10 million migrants who crossed our borders illegally a few?

Obviously, it's a matter of size in relation to the whole. I am in no way condoning anti semitism, flag burning or chanting "death to America". My point is that neither are the majority of Arab Americans and immigrants. Those demonstrations are taking advantage of the freedoms we enjoy here, flagrantly, and it's maddening that our freedoms are used right in our faces to demean the U.S. All I'm saying is to report these incidents correctly and at least mention the millions of Arab Americans that dislike it as much as we do. Hate crimes are a pressing an issue for most of us.

 

[jellyrug]

I once had an immigrant tell me he was a better Canadian than many because he chose to come here and went through a lot to get here whereas people born here don't realize just how good they have it and take it for granted....

I couldn't disagree with him....

Then we get on the other side of the fence and see the sort of thing that is happening all over the west where immigrants come to our countries with no interest or desire to integrate into western culture or society. There is very little blending of cultures anymore like there was in the past.

Any American, who has travelled the world extensively, doing business abroad, not only short visits, rather spending time in other places, will sincerely appreciate what this country has to offer. In the same breath, they would be very concerned about the situation here today and the continuance of the quality of life, so many take for granted.

 

[jellyrug]

Obviously, it's a matter of size in relation to the whole. I am in no way condoning anti semitism, flag burning or chanting "death to America". My point is that neither are the majority of Arab Americans and immigrants. Those demonstrations are taking advantage of the freedoms we enjoy here, flagrantly, and it's maddening that our freedoms are used right in our faces to demean the U.S. All I'm saying is to report these incidents correctly and at least mention the millions of Arab Americans that dislike it as much as we do. Hate crimes are a pressing an issue for most of us.

I believe we all agree with you. The concern is that the behavior is tolerated and allowed, which will only cause further proliferation.

 

[jellyrug]

I have personal experiences with this subject and your neighbor is correct. I have two people very close to me, one just lives his life like we all do, work, hobbies, time with family and friends...he was even employed in a former life by Pride in NYC and I suspect he finally left that job to escape the endless need to only care about "the cause". He's one of my dearest friends and one of the funniest people I know...smart, witty, and never ever ever shoving down anyone's throat a single thing about being gay. He's a happy and contributing member to society.

The other feels the need to only care about the LGBTQ community, every cause, every complaint, every blog and post she makes is only about what she cares about that's near and dear to her. She's so wrapped up in it, she can't speak eloquently on anything anymore. There are no civil conversations because the world is out to get her and her "tribe". She's lost the ability to see anything through a clear lens, and feels it's her job to tell everyone else how they should feel, how they've wronged her, how they should vote, you name it...always boils back down to her only caring about a small segment of the population, not humanity in general. She's queen of "the talking points" and if you press beyond those, you just get her rage. She's generally a miserable human...

The differences I see between these two people are pretty astounding...I've attributed it to exactly what your neighbor said.

VABS, long time no hear??

You still have your Busa?

Is there still pink on your Busa?

Good to hear from you!!!

 

[Red05]

I believe we all agree with you. The concern is that the behavior is tolerated and allowed, which will only cause further proliferation.

Allowed within the first amendment. Tolerated is a stretch. That makes it more maddening.

 

[VaBusa]

VABS, long time no hear??

You still have your Busa?

Is there still pink on your Busa?

Good to hear from you!!!

Hey W! I do still have Caeser...he has seen better days, but he still runs. There is zero pink on that bike!! I also have a BMW R-nineT that I absolutely love. How are you doing??

 

[jellyrug]

Hey W! I do still have Caeser...he has seen better days, but he still runs. There is zero pink on that bike!! I also have a BMW R-nineT that I absolutely love. How are you doing??

Good, and good to see you here.

I'm doing good, but must be getting old, because I seem to remember pink, think it was in Robbins. Maybe Eureka?

Mmm, I'll see if I can dig up some old photos, to check my sanity.

 

[jellyrug]

Allowed within the first amendment. Tolerated is a stretch. That makes it more maddening.

I guess the first amendment applies to everyone, except Donald Trump?

So burning a flag constitutes a form of "sybolic speech" protected by the first amendment and you are correct.

True threats and intimidation is not protected by the first amendment though. So one can question whether speech including "Death to America!" is covered? Threatening violence (Counterman v Colorado) crosses the boundaries of the first amendment.

 

[Bumblebee]

I personally see it as a symbolism to burn the flag of a nation during any sort of uprising or protest...we see this across the middle east all the time where their citizens burn and stomp on the American flag as a sign of disrespect...

When one's own citizens start doing this, there is a big problem which often leads to some sort of violent end....

I do note the flag burning and stomping isn't happening in states where the citizens are less tolerant.....and express this intolerance regularly.....

If this happened in a certain time period in New York, a gang of teamsters armed with pick axe handles would be paying them a visit....

 

[Red05]

I guess the first amendment applies to everyone, except Donald Trump?

Jan 6th was more than a non violent protest despite the rantings of Zerks, but I don’t blame Trump for it; he wasn’t a part of the violence (even though he certainly didn’t help matters). His obstruction of election justice goes way beyond, including using executive power to try to change the outcome.

 

[jellyrug]

Jan 6th was more than a non violent protest despite the rantings of Zerks, but I don’t blame Trump for it; he wasn’t a part of the violence (even though he certainly didn’t help matters). His obstruction of election justice goes way beyond, including using executive power to try to change the outcome.

Sad that he did not accept the election results personally. He sure did pursue an unprecedented effort to challenge and contest the election results. The first amendment allows that.

But how did he use executive power to try to change the outcome?

As far as I know, there are no extraordinary powers available to a President in reversing an election.