oh so true....
The Race Card
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MACH5
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I am still checking my history books, but I haven't found the section that shows where white people were enslaved. The thoughts that black people have are not about being the minority in this country, that can be handled. It is how blacks came to be the minority in this country. It wasn't by choice. We didn't fly over here on Delta. We were brought over here in some fo the worst conditions imaginable then we were bought and sold like chattle (property). And if you don't believe that knowing this info cannot have an effect on your mind you are fooling yourself. Do you realize that the majority of blacks in this country will never know what there true history is. Where they came from in Africa. What tribe they belong to. There is not another race in this world that cannot go back and trace their heritage. Only blacks in this country, unfortunately hold that honor. As I have stated before, it is up to the indivdual to make things happen in their lives but please don't believe that a person can just forget what has happened in their past. Their have been best friends that have lost their friendships because one didn't pay back the money the other one owed them. They could not forgive that person. But everyone expects blacks in this country to just forget what happened. Very hard to do. So when something does happen that may or may not be race related these other things will surface in the minds of blacks.
Sirissac
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I have to agree with all of you who said stopping racism starts at home. We learn a lot from our parents, values, morals, religion, etc...
One of the biggest problems we have right now in america, is the divorce rate, and/or broken homes. I read a pretty good book about raising boys, I can't remember the author or title right now, but will post later.
Boys learn how to be men, through the guidance and observations they are taught or are learned by there father. The author did a good job of informing the reader how much society has changed over the past 60 years. At one time there were very few divorces or broken home. Children grew up with both parents under the same roof. Now days as you are probably well aware, have completely changed. You are definately of the minority if you make it until you are at least 18 years of age, and your parents are still together. It just doesnt happen that often anymore.
Right now, there are many boys, of all races, that are growing up without a positive male role model in there lives. I wish I had the numbers, because it is astonishing.
The blacks were the majority in this category. The number of black boys growing up without involvement from there fathers is very high. And of those boys a very large percentage do not have a positive role model to learn from.
The whites came in second. It really doesn't matter who came in first or second. The numbers overall are not acceptable. The children are the ones who suffer in the end.
The author said that if a boy does not have a man in there life, who they look up to and respect, they will find one. It might be a professional athlete, Rock star, teacher, etc.. As you know, there are a lot of people that should not be a role model to children. Take a look at the professional athletes these days. They don't exactly live a saintly life off the field, rink, court, etc..
The author also blamed the gang problem on the lack of father influence. When I say father, it could be a father, step dad, uncle, or any other male who cares for the boy.
The author also states that a woman can not teach a boy how to become a good man. COULD YOU IMAGINE
As I stated in the beginning, I believe that it starts at home, where we as parents teach and mold our children. There is a problem that arrises though. There are so many children out there right now that are growing up in fatherless homes. Who is going to teach them. A lot of these children, don't even know who there father is. The family structure in america is broken down and not getting any better. As long as this is the case, teaching our children not to judge by color, race, or creed is going to be a tough road.
There is so much hate out there right now. The problem is, it isn't very selective. People aren't hating just one individual, there hating a whole race of individuals. Whites and blacks are guilty of this.
I was happy to see that many of you feel the same way for one reason or another. I am not a racist nor do I believe those who understood where I was coming from, are either.
It is frustrating at times, because I just see it getting worse and I wonder how it is going to be when my kids are adults.
One of the biggest problems we have right now in america, is the divorce rate, and/or broken homes. I read a pretty good book about raising boys, I can't remember the author or title right now, but will post later.
Boys learn how to be men, through the guidance and observations they are taught or are learned by there father. The author did a good job of informing the reader how much society has changed over the past 60 years. At one time there were very few divorces or broken home. Children grew up with both parents under the same roof. Now days as you are probably well aware, have completely changed. You are definately of the minority if you make it until you are at least 18 years of age, and your parents are still together. It just doesnt happen that often anymore.
Right now, there are many boys, of all races, that are growing up without a positive male role model in there lives. I wish I had the numbers, because it is astonishing.
The blacks were the majority in this category. The number of black boys growing up without involvement from there fathers is very high. And of those boys a very large percentage do not have a positive role model to learn from.
The whites came in second. It really doesn't matter who came in first or second. The numbers overall are not acceptable. The children are the ones who suffer in the end.
The author said that if a boy does not have a man in there life, who they look up to and respect, they will find one. It might be a professional athlete, Rock star, teacher, etc.. As you know, there are a lot of people that should not be a role model to children. Take a look at the professional athletes these days. They don't exactly live a saintly life off the field, rink, court, etc..
The author also blamed the gang problem on the lack of father influence. When I say father, it could be a father, step dad, uncle, or any other male who cares for the boy.
The author also states that a woman can not teach a boy how to become a good man. COULD YOU IMAGINE
As I stated in the beginning, I believe that it starts at home, where we as parents teach and mold our children. There is a problem that arrises though. There are so many children out there right now that are growing up in fatherless homes. Who is going to teach them. A lot of these children, don't even know who there father is. The family structure in america is broken down and not getting any better. As long as this is the case, teaching our children not to judge by color, race, or creed is going to be a tough road.
There is so much hate out there right now. The problem is, it isn't very selective. People aren't hating just one individual, there hating a whole race of individuals. Whites and blacks are guilty of this.
I was happy to see that many of you feel the same way for one reason or another. I am not a racist nor do I believe those who understood where I was coming from, are either.
It is frustrating at times, because I just see it getting worse and I wonder how it is going to be when my kids are adults.
BrianKesler
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I believe this is part of the problem. You refer the the people who were slaves as "we". First off, you were more than likely not brought over here from Africa, you were probably born here. You were never a slave, and i dont know but i would think that your dad or mom or grandparents werent slaves, so how can you say we?? You say "we" as if the slavery thing ever directly affected you, when truth is it probably didnt.
For your information, BLACK People sold BLACK People as slaves. That's where they came from. Learn your history.
Any black people that came here on ships, came from having been "sold" by a black tribal leader in africa.
As for your statement that whites were never enslaved...ARE YOU KIDDING?
Romans, Chinese, British, Greeks, Egyptians, Norsemen, and a million other "peoples" have been enslaved. Nearly if not EVERY race of people has suffered enslavement.
That includes your "white" or "Europeans or Anglos" as you should refer to them if you want to sound less racist.
You have no beef about slavery, my friend. You or anyone else that is alive today. You sound like the type of person that perpetuates the myth that "your people" are oppressed.
YOU WERENT BROUGHT HERE ON A SHIP. You were BORN HERE and enjoy the freedoms of everyone else here, but you have actually enjoyed a benefit of having been born in the latter part of this century.
Black people have been given the upperhand at hiring and college educations as long as I have been alive.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
(NAACP) is racist by its very existence.
United ***** College Fund is racist by its very existence.
Black Panthers is racist by its very existence.
These programs are, along with "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION"; which also promotes the minority over the majority in every instance when applicants are equal...COMPLETELY racist by the fact that it determines its decisions based on race.
Black people dominate the sports to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year in compensation and endorsements. Black people are in the highest court of the land, and are in the highest positions of the government. Black people are free to do anything and everything they wish.
You are not a victim of slavery. If you want to complain about whoever turned your great great great great great grandpa into a slave...I assure you it was a black man in Africa... and that is fact, not opinion.
I am Italian and I can only find out as far back as my great grandpa, so I dont know anyone older than that...and it hasnt stopped me from functioning in this world.
Why is not knowing your entire lineage affecting your ability to function? I am willing to bet that 90% of people in the world dont know their entire history and family tree.
Every race has been a slave at one time . Hell , all races helped build the pyrmids . And we did it together as slaves. So I say we get back at the Egyptians ! Don't forget that AMERICA ENDED SLAVERY and WE ALL ARE AMERICANS !! If you don't like the way something is do something about it the way we are supposed to, Vote. And remember Majority rules and thats not a racial thing thats how it works everywhere even in your own home i'm sure.
I couldn't disagree more.
Education has virtually nothing to do with critical thinking. Education is little more than filling in where a void exists - with absolutely no guarantee that that which is being infilled is worthwhile or valid.
I also find it incredibly problematic that our public education system places a great deal of focus on preaching the dual mantras of diversity and tolerance all the while displaying absolutely no tolerance for those who wish to maintain diversity from that skewed mindset.
I'm reminded me of a slightly off-topic quote from the dusty recesses of my mind. Unfortunately, I can't recall the author.
"Education without Salvation makes men clever devils"
Not to be overly critical but the captive Jews, not "all races", built the pyramids and slavery still exists to this day - in fact it's rampant.
education and experience.
ive been in about every multi-national environment and about every multi-national threat(to my life).
go home. love your family. love your life. love your neigbors.
if you still have a problem, its YOURS.
peace.
Yes , alot of jews (which are white) but there were also blacks slaves then too. So Hence : all of us . Are you from Egypt? (Just joking)
TruWrecks
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Okay peeps!
Picture this:
A bright red structure standing upright, with blobs of yellowish masses hanging off at various points. Mostly white enamel that really stand out among the figure. Two white orbs with spots of colour at what appears to be the front area of the structure.
It moves a bit awkward, and it leaves red stains on everything it makes contact with.
And it's all controlled by this:
Picture this:
A bright red structure standing upright, with blobs of yellowish masses hanging off at various points. Mostly white enamel that really stand out among the figure. Two white orbs with spots of colour at what appears to be the front area of the structure.
It moves a bit awkward, and it leaves red stains on everything it makes contact with.
And it's all controlled by this:
TruWrecks
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Now that we've stripped the skin off the human body, and we found out that we'd all look pretty much the same, can we get past all this race cr@p?
In my book, either your a human, or your not!!! How I treat you depends on how you treat me! No excuses! No bull! I give everyone a chance, but if you blow it (and it depends on how bad you try to get me) you may not get another chance! If it's meant to hurt me, or someone I know, be prepared to slammed!
In my book, either your a human, or your not!!! How I treat you depends on how you treat me! No excuses! No bull! I give everyone a chance, but if you blow it (and it depends on how bad you try to get me) you may not get another chance! If it's meant to hurt me, or someone I know, be prepared to slammed!
BigDawg_03Busa
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Man what are you talking about! Those organizations were created because of racist white americans who wouldn't allow equal opportunity. Now I'm with you on the race card thing, many do abuse it. But to draw attention to those organizations is ignorant. You never need those organizations because the you had the U.S. Government.
Point taken, but I hate when people refer to organizations that if it weren't for RACISM would never have been started. This is what I say, don't ever tell me what it means to be a black male unless you're a black male. I don't expect anyone to understand, but DON'T tell me how I should approach a given situation!!
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BigDawg_03Busa
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This is what matters, when Christ returns he isn't going to ask how did you get along with white people, black people, brown people, yellow people, pokka dot people, plaid people or patten leather people. He is going to ask how did you treat MY people. My church which is predominantly black has been in fellowship 2 weeks consecutively with predominantly white churches and it's awesome. It feels like it's close to what heaven will resemble. It's time to put visual differences aside and decide "holiness or hell"!
MACH5
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This is my last post on this subject because I see what I have tried to show you will not be received. Riding piggyback on Big Dawg's comment. You will never know what it is like to be a black male so you would not understand. I have personally done very well for myself and did not allow anything to get in my way. But when I make my comments it is about a people as a whole. All sides have a long way to go on this matter so if you really want change be open to what you hear and just be ready to agree to disagree. And if anyone thinks affirmative action is really this great system that has done great things for blacks, why do you trhink people still have these feelings. Affirmative action is another failed program of government just like welfare which both white and black have taken advantage of. Whenever you have a disagreement about anything put yourself in the other person's shoes and try to think about how you would feel about it.
+ 2 !!!!!!!!
Mr Brown
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When people falsely use the race card, it diminishes its potency. Race is, and will be for some time a dividing factor in this society for those who wish it to be.
There are people who apply behaviour seen in one or more people of a given skin color to all people of that color. You are racist. Regardless of your reasoning for it, if you think that all of a certain race of people do/say/act/think/can't etc, you are a racist.
People are totally different, you cannot decide what a person is like based on the color of their skin.
Prejudice and racism are different. Everyone is prejudiced to a certain extent. We all pre-judge others, based on our life experiences. When all your prejudices are based on skin color, that is where the line is crossed into racism.
If you are a racist, and some of you that are reading this most certainly are, you have to bear that cross. If you wish to go through your life, making sweeping decisions about all people of a given ethnic group behaving in a certain pattern, that is your problem. If you choose to raise your children to think along the same lines, that is your choice. To assert that you know how an individual is likely to behave, without having met or even observed that particular person is arrogant and ignorant.
We all have our story, mine is no more important than anybody else's, some choose to use race as a crutch for what is broken in ourselves, be it lack of a job, justification for poverty, fear of a different culture, whatever. Some choose to make race no more than an interesting aside, as unimportant as eye color.
I am not going to attempt to explain the significance of the black organizations some of you are so offended by, if I've got to explain to you the need for these organizations, there's no point, you don't want to understand. If anyone thinks that racism in this country is gone, and that oppression of minorities and women is a thing of the past, you simply WANT to think that. I could cite countless examples of racism being alive and well in this country, but the ones who don't want to see it won't.
We each know what is in our heart, and live our lives accordingly. If you are a racist, you know it, and you have to live with it. It doesn't eat me up if a person is promoted/succesful/getting laid more/employed/given welfare based on the color of their skin, if it does you, sorry for ya.
There are people who apply behaviour seen in one or more people of a given skin color to all people of that color. You are racist. Regardless of your reasoning for it, if you think that all of a certain race of people do/say/act/think/can't etc, you are a racist.
People are totally different, you cannot decide what a person is like based on the color of their skin.
Prejudice and racism are different. Everyone is prejudiced to a certain extent. We all pre-judge others, based on our life experiences. When all your prejudices are based on skin color, that is where the line is crossed into racism.
If you are a racist, and some of you that are reading this most certainly are, you have to bear that cross. If you wish to go through your life, making sweeping decisions about all people of a given ethnic group behaving in a certain pattern, that is your problem. If you choose to raise your children to think along the same lines, that is your choice. To assert that you know how an individual is likely to behave, without having met or even observed that particular person is arrogant and ignorant.
We all have our story, mine is no more important than anybody else's, some choose to use race as a crutch for what is broken in ourselves, be it lack of a job, justification for poverty, fear of a different culture, whatever. Some choose to make race no more than an interesting aside, as unimportant as eye color.
I am not going to attempt to explain the significance of the black organizations some of you are so offended by, if I've got to explain to you the need for these organizations, there's no point, you don't want to understand. If anyone thinks that racism in this country is gone, and that oppression of minorities and women is a thing of the past, you simply WANT to think that. I could cite countless examples of racism being alive and well in this country, but the ones who don't want to see it won't.
We each know what is in our heart, and live our lives accordingly. If you are a racist, you know it, and you have to live with it. It doesn't eat me up if a person is promoted/succesful/getting laid more/employed/given welfare based on the color of their skin, if it does you, sorry for ya.
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