timing retarder question

[Johnnycheese]

the reason for 6th is to show it will go pass 186mph.
4th is the gear of choice for ratio reasons.
you will always get more hp and torque out of 6th than 4th due to more load.

 

[Narcissus]

(Johnnycheese @ Oct. 21 2006,12:05) a) it is not a cure for every Busa
b) it does not get rid of any timing retard because there is no retard
c) there are better ways to fix the stummble
d) there is a better way to exceed the limiter

I know about re-mapping, but I've been totally out of the loop. How is the limiter defeated without messing with the gear maps?

I've always been running the 6th gear map for around-town riding ('99). Looks like another ride south is in order once I get this bike finished.

 

[Johnnycheese]

with my gps mod

 

[ike]

Thanks J.C.. I use to run a dyno for a diesel engine company and we always ran in the highest direct gear. I ran the dyno for 9 years. It was a chassi dyno for tractors.
Reason we ran in a direct gear was because if you ran it in over drive it would fall on its face and power would read low. Thats why i thought running the busa in 4th made more sense and questioned why this tuner was running them in 6th for power.
I also thought the busa would fall on its face like the tractors do if they are run in over drive but I was wrong. I then figured it was because we are talking about 2 different monsters. 2100 rpm max for a tractor versus over 10000 rpm for a busa
and those machines (even with ecm's) didn't know what gear they were in so the ecm's didn't care what gear they were in. Thats why I thought the higher HP numbers on a busa run in 6th was because they (the ecm) were rated for max power in 6th gear so they had to know when they were in that gear. The tractors were just rated for max power at 2100rpm and if you ran it in a OD gear you couldn't even loaded it down to 2100 cause it would just bog down on ya. On the engine dyno we'd crank then up to a governed rpm of about 2350 then just load then down to 2100 (just like the chassi dyno) and take a power reading. Anymore load then that would just kill em. You'd have to let off your load right away or the rpms would just crash. Anyway, Thanks J.C. be cool bro.

 

[johnstein]

a) it is not a cure for every Busa
b) it does not get rid of any timing retard because there is no retard
c) there are better ways to fix the stummble
d) there is a better way to exceed the limiter

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statement b might need to be rewritten ! i belive there might be a retard involved in there somewhere ?

whats a tre ?

 

[Johnnycheese]

(johnstein @ Oct. 22 2006,08:36) a) it is not a cure for every Busa
b) it does not get rid of any timing retard because there is no retard
c) there are better ways to fix the stummble
d) there is a better way to exceed the limiter

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statement b might need to be rewritten !  i belive there might be a retard involved in there somewhere ?

whats a tre ?

okay prove it because to this date no one has

 

[Jayabusa01]

Speaking of TRE's... Help wanted.
I understand this topic has been beaten to death on this sight but I was wondering if someone could help me. I need to find a link to somewhere with some good pix of the tre connection.

I have a 2000 busa Canadian model which has no restrictions.

According to the C.F.M. (checkered flag motorsports) websight that I bought my STRE from, there should be a 3 wire connection that this unit connects to with under the left side of the gas tank.

There is a connector there (the only one on the bike that matches the connectors on the unit) but the wire colours are not the same as those in the instructions.

Also when connected the unit gives me the old flashing FI signal, forcing me to disconect it.

Is it possible the Canadian editions are wired differently?

Maybe some of our Austrailian or European brothers on the .org can tell me if they had problems with STRE instalations?

Any help would be greatly appreaciated.

 

[tinbender0]

why would you need one if you dont have a restriction to start with???

 

[Jayabusa01]

Hello Tinbender0
The TRE or STRE will also allow the bike access to full power under half throttle. The top end is not restricted on my model, but Suzuki does not allow full power under half throttle on the gear maps until 5th and 6th. This prevents wheel spin and preserves gas economy, some say that this is done buy Suzuki to limit liability and improve slow speed drivability. The eliminator should remove this restriction for me according to the vendors sights.
All clear?

 

[Johnnycheese]

(Jayabusa01 @ Oct. 22 2006,17:01) Hello Tinbender0
The TRE or STRE will also allow the bike access to full power under half throttle. The top end is not restricted on my model, but Suzuki does not allow full power under half throttle on the gear maps until 5th and 6th. This prevents wheel spin and preserves gas economy, some say that this is done buy Suzuki to limit liability and improve slow speed drivability. The eliminator should remove this restriction for me according to the vendors sights.
All clear?

again prove it has this restriction
since 1999 no one has proved it!

 

[tinbender0]

No because when I put one on it didn't do Jack,,save yo money

 

[johnstein]

i was just5 talkin about a guy who spends upward of 100 dollars for one of these things , i bet 1 out of every fifty sold ever makes it past 186 mph , not fuggin with you jc

just playin with the tre thread ! but yeah to buy 1 of these tre with all the info posted on this board , there has to be a retard in there somewhere !

 

[2busa]

(Johnnycheese @ Oct. 22 2006,15:04)

(Jayabusa01 @ Oct. 22 2006,17:01) Hello Tinbender0
The TRE or STRE will also allow the bike access to full power under half throttle. The top end is not restricted on my model, but Suzuki does not allow full power under half throttle on the gear maps until 5th and 6th. This prevents wheel spin and preserves gas economy, some say that this is done buy Suzuki to limit liability and improve slow speed drivability. The eliminator should remove this restriction for me according to the vendors sights.
All clear?

again prove it has this restriction
since 1999 no one has proved it!

only retards are the ones not understanding how your own bike works for the last 6 years!

SERVES YOU RIGHT

EXPLAIN FUEL INJECTION

ONE OF YOU

Then you'll know.... STUBID-STUBIUD-STUIBD!!!

 

[PaNDeM1C]

So Suzuki and everyone else is lying? The bike has no limiter? So what's the actual top speed of a stock Busa under the best conditions?

I just know that when I put on my tre I could notice a real difference. It was smoother in 1st and 2nd gears... that's about it.

 

[ranman]

(PaNDeM1C @ Oct. 23 2006,01:03) I just know that when I put on my tre I could notice a real difference. It was smoother in 1st and 2nd gears... that's about it.

+1

 

[Johnnycheese]

(2busa @ Oct. 23 2006,02:41)

(Johnnycheese @ Oct. 22 2006,15:04)

(Jayabusa01 @ Oct. 22 2006,17:01) Hello Tinbender0
The TRE or STRE will also allow the bike access to full power under half throttle. The top end is not restricted on my model, but Suzuki does not allow full power under half throttle on the gear maps until 5th and 6th. This prevents wheel spin and preserves gas economy, some say that this is done buy Suzuki to limit liability and improve slow speed drivability. The eliminator should remove this restriction for me according to the vendors sights.
All clear?

again prove it has this restriction
since 1999 no one has proved it!

only retards are the ones not understanding how your own bike works for the last 6 years!

SERVES YOU RIGHT

EXPLAIN FUEL INJECTION

ONE OF YOU

Then you'll know.... STUBID-STUBIUD-STUIBD!!!

let me rephase that


it has no retard in timing and no one has proved that it does

 

[NightCrawler]

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5
Link 6

I can go on and on, but I won't.

Johnny, this is why so many people here say Suzuki retards gears 1 - 4.  Is it proof because it online ... ? Of course not, but I didn't find anything saying Suzuki didn't retard those gears.

And from personal experience, I once borrowed a friends throttlemeister and "locked" my bike at around 30mph in 1st gear. I then began switching my switchable TRE on and off. I can feel the bike pull and bog respectively. I then rode the bike 10 laps around my block, stopping after each lap to allow him to switch it on or off without me knowing. Sometimes he left it alone and sometimes he'd flip the switch. 10 out of 10 I knew whether it was on or off. They were not lucky guesses. The feel of having the TRE on or off is like night and day.

So I'll say this, I can't prove Suzuki actually retarded the 1st 4 gears, but the TRE does makes a ~feelable~ difference in the 1st 2 gears. THAT I do know.

 

[PaNDeM1C]

This sounds like a debate whether or not there is a god.

No proof he exists and no proof that he doesn't...

But as Spigga said, the difference is definitely noticeable with it on/off.

Even with my very limited expertise, I'd have to say that there is a timing retard. Why? Well, why would they name it a timing retard eliminator to begin with? Or should they just call it a "throttle smoother"

 

[ranman]

we need a poll for who has one and who doesn`t

 

[thepushercg]

i run one , all i can say is i like the results i get.