Thing is you are assuming you can always assess that situation, and you can't.
Again though, we view things very differently, so I"m good with agreement to disagree
Today's Action with Police Involvement at a school
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Thing is you are assuming you can always assess that situation, and you can't.
Again though, we view things very differently, so I"m good with agreement to disagree
RedBull
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Thing is you are assuming you can always assess that situation, and you can't.
Again though, we view things very differently, so I"m good with agreement to disagree
I'm not completely disagreeing...but the opposite is true too.
So if no one else is in danger, and both people are willingly going at it, getting involved can go south for you real quick...no matter how good your intentions are.
RedBull
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I am not completely disagreeing . . .
But the opposite is true too .
So if no one else is in danger ,
and both people are willingly going at it ,
getting involved can go south for you real quick . . .
No matter how good your intentions are .
I'm not completely disagreeing...but the opposite is true too.
So if no one else is in danger, and both people are willingly going at it, getting involved can go south for you real quick...no matter how good your intentions are.
Again, can't assume you know who is in danger...perhaps one involved in the fight needs assistance, that's my point. We can go around and around in circles with this, but I think in the end, the world is full of those that see it one way or the other. I wish more would stop to help over walking away (or pulling out a phone to record it). I really do believe those passive actions make us less civilized as a whole, and only encourage apathy for your fellow human.
I get all that you're saying, it's a risk to step in, but sometimes that's what makes a hero a hero. And a true hero, BTW, doesn't do these things for the glory, they do it because they feel it's the right thing to do, to look out for a fellow human being if they can, without the over-analysis of why, they just do
Wow . . . the guy that saved the day, and SHOT the lunatic DEAD, was a firefighter and a PASTOR!
He may well have saved other peoples lives by stopping this maniac, but to kill him??
I guess he just acted in the heat of the moment and wanted to stop him, at any cost.
Kill, or be killed is the law of the jungle unfortunately
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Can tell here in America we live on different ends of the planet. We’re talking about a guy running around shooting people. And you say but kill him?? ....Wow . . . the guy that saved the day, and SHOT the lunatic DEAD, was a firefighter and a PASTOR!
He may well have saved other peoples lives by stopping this maniac, but to kill him??
I guess he just acted in the heat of the moment and wanted to stop him, at any cost.
Kill, or be killed is the law of the jungle unfortunately
He’ll ya kill this guy. This isn’t the movies you don’t get to shoot the gun out of someone’s hand.
Mr Brown
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I have a huge issue with non LEO shootings. Things get complicated enough when people are trained to make those type of decisions under duress, untrained persons will more often than not make things worse.
RedBull
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Again, can't assume you know who is in danger...perhaps one involved in the fight needs assistance, that's my point. We can go around and around in circles with this, but I think in the end, the world is full of those that see it one way or the other. I wish more would stop to help over walking away (or pulling out a phone to record it). I really do believe those passive actions make us less civilized as a whole, and only encourage apathy for your fellow human.
I get all that you're saying, it's a risk to step in, but sometimes that's what makes a hero a hero. And a true hero, BTW, doesn't do these things for the glory, they do it because they feel it's the right thing to do, to look out for a fellow human being if they can, without the over-analysis of why, they just do
For the record, I have and would again help someone in need.
I also have a Va concealed handgun permit.
I carry a .380 everywhere with the exception of my job, or in my daughter's school.
No one will ever know I have it either, unless they draw or shoot first.
I'm not a phone freak that must record everything, and I have no social media.
I keep a low profile, and am always ever mindful of my surroundings.
I mind my own business, am no hero, but am ever ready to help those that cannot help themselves, regardless of the circumstances.
I AM the guy that handles the situation, and dissapears there after, leaving everyone else none the wiser.
I need no recognition, and have nothing to say about any of it, past or future.
I am no badass, just one of the many that are paying attention. Because it IS your family and mine that go to school, the store, out in public, where these f'tards want to shoot and act up for no reason.
Letting 2 guys fight, and looking out for those who cannot defend themselves are 2 different things.
These 2 situations can cross paths, and decisions need to be made in an instant anymore, as of the cowardly active shooter scenario that has become all too familiar in recent years.
To each their own.
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Read this crazy story!
http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/showthr....R-members-on-guys-night-out-.&highlight=Ak47
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http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/showthr....R-members-on-guys-night-out-.&highlight=Ak47
HARR stand for Houston area Rex riders
Aka ZRX1200R
c10
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Yesterday was a normal ZRX guy night out for steaks / beer hosted by JM1 . When Txcanuck , and I arrived we were informed of the burglary of JM1's home .
JM1 saw the perp , and even gave chase . Bad guy got away with Laptop , Springfield custom 1911 .45 acp , and a I Pad .
The I pad was used to track the bad guy . Texas City Police were not much help in the beginning . So all evening JM1 was watching the GPS . Jody said the I pad was coming down the street now ! So I go out to look , and here comes the bad guy walking down the street 50 yards from the home .
I walked out of the garage to the light . There he is , and he stops when he sees me . Its on foot chase through the streets in the dark / night . I lose him as he rounded a corner . Bad guy was fast , and I'm not a long distance sprinter anymore . However I think I know were he ducked into for hiding . I wait a bit , and here comes Eddie Lane
on his ZRX . I jump on tell to make the block , and be ready for me to jump off if hes going slow enough .
We get back to JM1's place ( now 5 to 7 minutes have passed ) to find out the I pad still shows less than 300 feet from home . I said I know where he is .
Eddie , Paul , h2o , and I set off . JM1 gives me a nice bright Streamlight . Eddie gos to the dead end were pad is close to . I came in from behind on the other street between to homes were I lost him before . I make it nearly to eddie , and no bad guy ? F*&( is what I'm thinking .
Then out of the bushes jumps bad guy holiding a AK 47 on me saying he will blow my head off . I keep him blinded with the light , eddie turn on his high beam off the rex as well . ( I did not know were Paul or Dennis was at this time ) Bad guy says to take light off him , I wont it makes me a harder target in wide open area infront of these two homes with no tree to hide behind .
I thought fast / noticed the AK looked broken @ the barrel . So I thought air soft or paint ball FAKE AK . I looked behind him , and yelled PAUL SHOOT HIM ! ( Paul was not there I knew this ) It was my bluff to close distance ( approx 12' ) to grab the barrel of the AK .
Bad guy looked behind him , gun barrel raised up now , and I sprinted for the guy . However I didn't close enough distance .
When he realized I was coming for him he took off running with the AK . I was hot on his ass , eddie bolted on the ZRX to the next block to try and catch him as well .
Chase lasted over 1/4 mile through yards , over fences , through bushes . I gave up at the last big back yard due to when he went over the fence , and I did as well I lost him in the JUNGLE of a huge back yard . So not wanting to be jumped , and alone I came out .
Police arrived and we all did some back tracking . Found he was running in Nike sandals he lost in first yard , recovered back pack with computers / gun belonging to JM1 , Police , and I retraced my chase to find the AK 47 .
The AK 47 was REAL , and loaded . Stolen a week earlier from another homeowner . Paul was actually behind me / to my right by 40 yards , and had a 9mm on him ready .
Police dog was brought out , but after 2 hours no bad guy . Do have lots of prints though I knew he was armed most likely with the 1911 , but counted on he wouldn't know how to use it . It was going to be a hell of a fight had I caught him .
Last thing ever expected was AK 47 . Were all lucky to be alive today . Police let me snap a few pics of the AK on my phone . Ill try to get them up later today.
After further review of my pictures of the AK , and watching /learning how a AK works the SAFETY was off or in the down position .
I e mailed these pictures to a friend as I can not down load them correctly off my phone .
A few other tid bits to add . Eddie shut off his motor a few streets over to try , and hear where we were located . He said it sounded like gorillas
in the mist . With all the running through trees/shrubs , and over fences .
JM1 saw the perp , and even gave chase . Bad guy got away with Laptop , Springfield custom 1911 .45 acp , and a I Pad .
The I pad was used to track the bad guy . Texas City Police were not much help in the beginning . So all evening JM1 was watching the GPS . Jody said the I pad was coming down the street now ! So I go out to look , and here comes the bad guy walking down the street 50 yards from the home .
I walked out of the garage to the light . There he is , and he stops when he sees me . Its on foot chase through the streets in the dark / night . I lose him as he rounded a corner . Bad guy was fast , and I'm not a long distance sprinter anymore . However I think I know were he ducked into for hiding . I wait a bit , and here comes Eddie Lane
on his ZRX . I jump on tell to make the block , and be ready for me to jump off if hes going slow enough .
We get back to JM1's place ( now 5 to 7 minutes have passed ) to find out the I pad still shows less than 300 feet from home . I said I know where he is .
Eddie , Paul , h2o , and I set off . JM1 gives me a nice bright Streamlight . Eddie gos to the dead end were pad is close to . I came in from behind on the other street between to homes were I lost him before . I make it nearly to eddie , and no bad guy ? F*&( is what I'm thinking .
Then out of the bushes jumps bad guy holiding a AK 47 on me saying he will blow my head off . I keep him blinded with the light , eddie turn on his high beam off the rex as well . ( I did not know were Paul or Dennis was at this time ) Bad guy says to take light off him , I wont it makes me a harder target in wide open area infront of these two homes with no tree to hide behind .
I thought fast / noticed the AK looked broken @ the barrel . So I thought air soft or paint ball FAKE AK . I looked behind him , and yelled PAUL SHOOT HIM ! ( Paul was not there I knew this ) It was my bluff to close distance ( approx 12' ) to grab the barrel of the AK .
Bad guy looked behind him , gun barrel raised up now , and I sprinted for the guy . However I didn't close enough distance .
When he realized I was coming for him he took off running with the AK . I was hot on his ass , eddie bolted on the ZRX to the next block to try and catch him as well .
Chase lasted over 1/4 mile through yards , over fences , through bushes . I gave up at the last big back yard due to when he went over the fence , and I did as well I lost him in the JUNGLE of a huge back yard . So not wanting to be jumped , and alone I came out .
Police arrived and we all did some back tracking . Found he was running in Nike sandals he lost in first yard , recovered back pack with computers / gun belonging to JM1 , Police , and I retraced my chase to find the AK 47 .
The AK 47 was REAL , and loaded . Stolen a week earlier from another homeowner . Paul was actually behind me / to my right by 40 yards , and had a 9mm on him ready .
Police dog was brought out , but after 2 hours no bad guy . Do have lots of prints though I knew he was armed most likely with the 1911 , but counted on he wouldn't know how to use it . It was going to be a hell of a fight had I caught him .
Last thing ever expected was AK 47 . Were all lucky to be alive today . Police let me snap a few pics of the AK on my phone . Ill try to get them up later today.
After further review of my pictures of the AK , and watching /learning how a AK works the SAFETY was off or in the down position .
I e mailed these pictures to a friend as I can not down load them correctly off my phone .
A few other tid bits to add . Eddie shut off his motor a few streets over to try , and hear where we were located . He said it sounded like gorillas
in the mist . With all the running through trees/shrubs , and over fences .
Mathewrussell52
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This guy was running around town shooting people where were the police. Guess they cant magically appear when needed???
That argument is usually made by the same people that protest and hate police.
Mathewrussell52
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...not if you have guns too!
...I don't call the police
Dougyp333
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This is why I carry all the time. Even when I am just taking the trash out in the morning. You never know when crazy is going to show up at your door. When it does you better be ready.
Mathewrussell52
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Asking for a gun fight.... It didn’t say he had a gun just one of 4 did.
I wouldn't want to initiate a gun fight either.
But I can't say I wouldn't have went after him just like they did.
Stay strapped
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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