Turbo Busa vs. TT Viper.

Gary,

From just the video, it's a little hard to believe. Your calm matter of fact posts do make it easier though. Either way, I'm sure you could take out my stock Busa with ease but I'd love to try just to see how bad. Very cool ride.

-Chris
 
Thanks.
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maybe the guy on the busa just couldn't ride, but me i would have been so anxious that i would have tucked into the tank if possible(lol), in all honesty if he messed up or you just out powered him congrats. i honestly say "race what you bring", and he didn't bring it!! sorry if i sound like i'm bashing. i think a lot of us were picturing ourselves on the busa, and what we would have done in that situation.
do you ever bring your car to houston? if so wensday nights walmart parking lot after 9pm off el dorado blvd, and sat nites target off fairmaont and the beltway. lot's of very strong cars, mostly MTI LS1'S, and some very fast SUPRA'S.
anytime you'd like come on down and join the pack, lot's of 1/4 mile straight's.
 
I've seen a video of a twin turbo Viper putting down 900 to 1000 rwhp bearly pulling stock Busa's. A big bore Busa left the same car like it was standing still. A TURBO BUSA would have made the Viper seem like it was backing up. From what I've read these bikes (Turbo Busa's) will reach 200mph in seconds. They can do wheelies up to 180 plus! There is something wrong with the bike in question.

URBAN COWBOY
 
Like I said, bad info.  The two cars are night and day. Do us both a favor and just take my word on that.



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Put me down in the disbelief column.

Whole video looks like a commercial for the viper TT.

I've been in a stock viper, and I know it's scary fast, I can only imagine how fast a TT viper would be.

I've only driven a stock busa and it was even more scary fast then that stock viper....and I cannot even fathom how fast a turbo busa would be.

If they had rollled on at 150mph, I could see the TT viper blowing the busa away (specially if the busa was under 300hp). However, at an 80mph roll on, I cannot, for any way shape or form, see that viper destroying a turbo busa like that....unless he went to hammer the throttle and hit the kill switch.
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I've been wrong thousands of times in my life, I could be again, but I still smell a boat load of manure being shipped over here.



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Jay,
I respect your opinion, and I appreciate you being tasteful about it. I do not think I destroyed anything in the video, but that is subjective. If you ever get down to GA I will have to make you a believer with one ride in the car!!
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On referance to the video Thrash posted up, that would be me on some Green Tea(Yeah Buddy)...

Gary, maybe one day I'll get a chance to play with a Viper of your likes, but until then....
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Gary why don't you post some #'s for your car. We know anything with a TT is going to be fast. I think some people might belive the video more if you put up some horsepower #'s up. Everyone has seen 900 rwhp Vipers and stock Busa's race and it was a real close race. In the same video a a piped busa beat the viper. So if your car was puting out over 1200 hp then your video would be more beliveable.
 
(GARY JAVO @ May 06 2005 said:
Dragon,
Alright here you go.  I haven't taken the car to the track yet, so I don't have any times.  The car makes 930rwhp/1070rwtq.  (Those #'s are decieving because turbos on this big motor are way different than superchargers.  Without going on and on about it, a 750rwhp will have a faster ET and higher trap speed than an 850rwhp supercharged car.  The torque curve is rediculous.) The video you are trying to find is of a supercharged car that is not comparable to this car.  I understand why some folks are doubting.  I can see what you guys are talking about not being tucked, but I can tell you with absolute certainly that the bike was right there behind me all the way to around 170-180mph.  If he wasn't tucked well enough, then he must have really been feeling the wind, because I am telling you that he was going that fast, no doubt about it, you can take it to the bank!!  I didn't get where I am in life by being dishonest.  You are saying, "well how the hell can you be so sure what speed you were going?"  

I'll break it down for you.  In the video I started at 80mph in 3rd.  The race started and I shifted to fourth at 6000rpm.  I ran that gear out and shifted to fifth at 6000rpm, then I stayed in the throttle for another six seconds or so.  So here is the deal.  At 6000rpm in 4th gear this is how the #'s work out:

(Copy And Pasted From My Buddy Paolo)
Tire Size
(e.g. 245/50-16) / - 345/25/20
OR
Tire Diameter
(in inches) 26.791338582677166
OR
Revolutions Per Mile

Axle Ratio 3.07
Redline (RPM) 6200
First Gear 2.66
Second Gear 1.78
Third Gear 1.30
Fourth Gear 1
Fifth Gear .74
Sixth Gear .5

4000 39 58 80 104 140 208
4100 40 60 82 106 144 213
4200 41 61 84 109 147 218
4300 42 63 86 112 151 223
4400 43 64 88 114 154 228
4500 44 66 90 117 158 234
4600 45 67 92 119 161 239
4700 46 69 94 122 165 244
4800 47 70 96 125 168 249
4900 48 71 98 127 172 254
5000 49 73 100 130 175 260
5100 50 74 102 132 179 265
5200 51 76 104 135 182 270
5300 52 77 106 138 186 275
5400 53 79 108 140 189 280
5500 54 80 110 143 193 286
5600 55 82 112 145 196 291
5700 56 83 114 148 200 296
5800 57 85 116 151 203 301
5900 58 86 118 153 207 306
6000 59 88 120 156 211 312
6100 60 89 122 158 214 317
6200 61 90 124 161 218 322

If you look at the little chart you will see that Paolo's calculations reflect that the car is going 156mph in 4th gear at 6000rpm.  I shift to fifth and stay in the throttle for about six more seconds.  How much speed do you think a car at this level will build on top of 156mph after another 5 or 6 seconds of full throttle acceleration.  I looked down at the speedo(which is spot on in vipers,I verified mine with my police buddies laser)  and the needle was clearly above 170.  I am guessing it was more like 180 because by the time I looked down, I had already been out of the throttle for a moment.  When I looked back the Bike was still there until the last second or so of acceleration in fifth.  Why do I know this?  Because that is what made me lift.  I didn't want to be the first to lift becuase I didn't want him to come flying past me and then say, "yeah the Busa got ya on the top end just like I knew it would".(Don't we all know folks like that)  

The point I am making is the bike DID in fact stay right with me to 170MPH.  There is no doubt about it.  If you don't believe me then that is on you, but I think this explination should have enough facts in it to convince anyone that is reasonable that at the very least, we were going the speed I claim.  Now could the bike rider be inexperienced, and could the bike benifit from a professional tune?  Of coarse, but maybe the "half tucked" rider position is just this guy's style, and maybe the bike has a really good "static tune" that puts it where it needs to be.  The only thing I knw for sure is that I don't have any excuses for my performance, and we went from 80-175(+/-5mph) in this race.
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I GUESS THE PEOPLE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MISSED THIS POST THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOUR, "THERE ARE NO NUMBERS ON THE CAR" POST.
 
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