Turbo Busa vs. TT Viper.

For that matter I could beat a Busa with my F4 on a 80-to-whatever race if the Busa pilot was afraid to hit a certain speed or was afraid to open the throttle all the way. That doesn't mean I could beat anyone who pilots the Busa, just that one. Put someone else on the Busa and the results may be different.
Getting off topic, but that's the point of doing a rollon is to show the abilities of the machines and not the riders.  
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 Look at all the BS that accompanies a unskilled race, can you imagine if they had gone from a dig?  

I'd really like to see a dyno of that turbo to see if it's actually making the claimed hp. The viper is obviously fast and the video shows what I'd expect a highly worked 8.0L to do to a STOCK hayabusa, but I have a hard time believing anything streetable can do that to a well tuned boosted busa in the 250hp+ range.
I'll say it like this. I, on my F4, have beaten a pilot on a Honda 954 from a 80 to 150 "race". Not because my bike was faster, but because he became nervous at 120mph.

When we first rolled the throttle, he took off. Slowly but surley I caught up to him and passed him because he only got up to 120 while I got up to 150. Does that mean my F4 is faster than his 954? Nope. That simply means I'm more comfortable at higher speeds than he is.

On another note, I also beat this pilot in the 1/4 mile because by him knowing his front tire would have come up if he launched hard, he decided to hold back on the take-off causing him to lose the race ... that doesn't mean my F4 was faster.

In either race scenario, I would have won both races on either bike simply because I'm a better rider/racer than he is.

Thats why I said if another pilot had been on the bike, the result may have been different.
 
Hey Screwdrvr One Question you said you had a bike at 170 would you come out of your tuck? That is what everyone on here has been trying to point out that guy does look like he is on a Sunday casual drive and you can post this on the viper forum do I think a tt viper is fast HELL YES. I Have driven a 93 viper stock and its fast too, but that video Does look a little ? Butt as far as a little defensive you did post that on Hayabusa.org. and their are some very good riders and some awesomely tricked out bikes on here that have said they would race that viper. Do you think if they beleived that video they would be saying that? I read some times on the viper ally post someone made showed 9.72 147.? on one of them tt vipers Well Keith Dennis Pulled a 9.48 148.? on a non turboed Busa Look up Grudge Match between the zx12r and the Busa on Suzuki.com go to the hayabusa 2004 on the bottom in suzuki showcase all His times are on there and their are alot faster bikes than stock so that viper would have to be alot faster than the other tt viper with his posted times.
 
Hello. I just found this thread. I ask that you don't let anyone speak for me. I know a lot of folks are skeptical and that is fine. Give it some time and there will be another race lined up against someone the Busa community respects. I have no problem putting it on the line again. What more can you ask for? So in the mean time take it easy on me. I regularly visit suzukihayabusa.org(even though there are a few nit wits over there that like to beat on me a little) so I will see some of you guys around. Thanks.
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Hey Gary -

Glad to see you over here.

Just my .02 all. I have been conversing with Gary over at SH.org and I think the guy is a stand up guy. Even with All the flaming towards him and the video he has been very respectful about the whole thing.

The problem seems to be with people who are not involved in the video and probably do not even own a Viper OR a Busa.

I think what has happened is he owns a viper, he posted a video of him running a Busa on the viper board. nothing wrong with that. And others on the viper board decided to do something that is now causing Gary to have to defend himself.

I personally think Gary got the raw end of this deal.

Welcome to Hayabusa.org Gary. If you were closer I would love to run my stock Busa against your viper.. I know I would get my arse handed to me, but it would be fun just the same
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This is where I wish I had a vid of my friend riding(on his BMW 1100RT with full luggage) up a viper's a$$ who was trying his best to leave him on our way to the airport (with normal traffic and both were using both shoulders/on ramps/etc on occasion).


Not saying your viper isnt fast but that vid was weak, especailly when beavis (who apparently doesnt tuck at speeds that should have been in excess of 170) was talking about how the bike he installed the turbo on didnt have what it took and blah blah blah.


If we need to have yet another example why not hook it up "Nickslick style" with chase vehicles/etc. and make it an open invite? Most results against 800-1000hp vipers end up with a stock busa beat by a length or so but a decently modded one walking it with ease. And all races i've seen take place in the car's sweetspot (roll on and a distance where speeds are <200 mph) which is fine for saftey but dont expect the same result from a DOT tire (or anything thats not a full on drag tire) equiped car vs a bike from the line.

Personally I'd love to see some of those somewhat rare (but what I would consider equally modified compared to the car) 500+hp Busas racing the vipers.
 
Some people have come close to saying it but I will: This is a bull$hit video. Every one of us here who has dropped the Busa to third or second at 80 mph and hit the throttle can guaran-damm-tee you that the Busa will do the roll-on a he11uva lot faster than that. Even *I* know that and I'm a true-blue, dyed-in-the-wool puzzy when it comes to riding fast.

The video was staged and any Busa owner on this board who has ever ridden it hard knows it.

End of discussion.

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Welcome Gary. The offer I extended to screw when I thought it was his car is of course extended to you. I'm sure it would be fun to race, and the loser buys the beer. If you want to make it a $$ race, that can be arranged, but it won't be my bike, or me on it. I would prefer to keep it friendly, but I can get down either way. I'm sure there are members in many other areas of the country who would be willing to do the same. Let us know.....
 
ScrewDrvr, everyone on this board is man & woman enought to admit when someone (whether on a Busa or in the space shuttle) got their buttocks handed to them.  Fact remains the video is sceptical, if it was such a big deal why were there no cameras 1 mile down the road?  The proof is in the puddin and we've seen video of a bone stock busa hang with a 900 rwhp viper, so why should we believe the same calliber viper beat a busa almost twice as strong?  Just doesn't add up that's all.  What needs to happen is a rematch with multiple shots of both riders from start to finish.  THE ONLY WAY TO DISPEL THE DOUBT right?



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I'm sorry but that was not a real race, how much did you pay this guy on the Busa to pretend he was going fast? I've also took a look at viper alley and all they were talking about us busa riders being cry baby's about this and this and this and that. I'm in Los Angeles and if anybody want's some of this, then you know where I'm at...



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Get NickSlick to shoot the video and I'll believe it without a doubt. That guy knows how to set up a shootout video. He has shown plenty of bikes getting beat by cars.

Welcome to the board Gary. Sweet car regardless.



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Nick posted on the thread over at SH.ORG.

Guys. I honestly don't think Gary set anything up. Garry has pretty much been the only one on the viper board not talking smack. he is totally willing to run against a respected Busa and rider.

He has also acknowledged on the Viper board that if he runs against a Busa with a good rider and a good turbo he will probably get his arse handed to him. He made this comment himself, on the viper board. That is not someone talking smack

It is a bunch of other smucks on the viper board that are talking shid.

Read all of Gary's posts, the only time he has even come close to slamming someone was out of defense for personal attacks. otherwise he has been respectful and acknowledged himself he needs to be lined up with something better.

If one of us took the time to video us racing a viper and we smoked it, even if it were a stock Viper and some dweeb was driving it, I am sure we would have posted the video.

Anyway, once again it seems we are attacking guests without cause. this Screwdrvr character was the one who posted the video, he was the one talking smack (at first) but I think with him it was more of an issue that he is not familiar with the Busa and just didnt know any better

I would say feel free to tear him a new arsehole just for specifically posting the link and video here just to stir the pot but he doesn't seem to be around any longer.

I would ask you all to please just welcome Gary. he seems like a standup guy. Instead of tearing him and the video apart, lets welcome him and see if we can line him up against someone we all know and respect. No sense in having a grudge match when we can have a friendly race. those are much funner anyway.

A friendly race all can enjoy the outcome, a grudge match, someone is still going to be pissed.

So as I said, read the entire thread and determine who was talking smack and who wasn't. I think you will find Gary has not talked any shid and has been more respectful about the comments that have have made towards him than a lot of us would have been if the same comments were made about any of us.

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ok, i dont know why it matters what i drive like i stated befor. but i have a 97zx7r with an 850 big bore kit, and a 94 Supra TT BPU+(75 shot) The car has been indicated 180mph and wouldt go any faster(no nitrous). The bike has gone 170 indicated and the rider would not go any faster(yeah, im scared as hell of the bike). Both of my vehicles would be destroyed by a stock busa and would outrun a stock viper.

I do not want to race any turbo busa or built viper. There is no point.

But just becasue i dont own either doesnt mean i dont know jack about whats going on and i cant participate in the threads.
Okay, when you grow some balls and learn to overcome your fear, you can participate in discussion time. Until then, go play in the Viper nut-swingers forum. There are several Supra forums, why are you jocking the Vipers so hard? At least one of our members here (Shindo97) has a Supra. I've got considerable seat time in a 95TT BPU. It's not that we don't appreciate fast cars over here, or think our bikes are unbeatable, it's just that the video you posted, that by your own admission you know nothing about, looks to be a fraud. Either that or the bike pilot was asleep.
Hey, Forza Motorsports is coming out for xbox today, maybe you can race a Viper in your Supra and post the video of that here too.
hey mr brown, you play xbox?

i do too, wanna race!
 
Thanks for the welcome. I don't want to give out too many details, but I have something lined up in a different region. It will be a respected rider and bike. It should walk me pretty good on the low settings(300) and stomp my ass on the higher settings(>400). I can't wait to see what the bike i plan to build will be capable of. I think a lot of guys have it all wrong. I am anxious to see what it takes in a bike to flat out hand me my ass, because whatever it is, I want to build that bike. So when i get clobbered, to me, it is just the beginning of a new project.:D
 
Welcome Gary. You seem like an honest and stand up guy. Nice car btw and good luck with the new busa project. Just my opinion, but I watched the video and the guy doesn't look tucked and actually raises his head up towards the end of the race...don't know about you, but at speed, I want to be invisible from the front of the bike. Good luck with your new race. IMO, I think you should race someone from this site that is respected with approx. 240-260 rwhp and a stock bike for giggles.
 
Video is BS and who does roll-on's? I don't even think deoderant uses that idea anymore which is fitting because all of this stinks. I want to watch someone go that fast and not be tucked, now that will be a funny video.
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