Who provides best ecu flashing service

Flashed mine with a maxx

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Cruising180 said:
2 Wheel Dyno works is the TOP. They do the best all around ecu flash I've seen. They did my FZ-10 and transformed that bike into what it should've been from the factory. Moore I've heard, and it makes sense, is more of a drag tune. They have some videos up on Youtube if you want to see what they're about. An ecu fash is $350 and they will reflash your ecu for free if you make any mods that would require a new tune. Like you go from slip-ons to a full exhaust for example.
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You local? I see 1 or 2 Moore ecus on their counter every time I'm there. I tell people watch 1 2WDW youtube video and you'll see the difference. Now, they won't give you pops and bangs or raise any Joe Schmos limiter, but they will make your bike run STRONG. BusaRellz just posted a non biased video of his running worse after a moore flash, not sure what that was about.
 
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The importance Of Individual Cylinder-Specific ECU Mapping

On virtually every modern motorcycle engine, you have more than one cylinder (with very few exceptions). Even modern entry level motorcycles, such as the Ninja 500, CBR500, etc are small displacement twin cylinder engines. Most "middleweight" bikes these days are twin or triple cylinder engines...
2wheeldynoworks.com

Things like this really set them apart from the rest, but their reputation is in track racing where schnitz and Moore have drag cred. A stock engine is a stock engine, though.
 
07WashingtonBusa said:
2wheeldynoworks.com

The importance Of Individual Cylinder-Specific ECU Mapping

On virtually every modern motorcycle engine, you have more than one cylinder (with very few exceptions). Even modern entry level motorcycles, such as the Ninja 500, CBR500, etc are small displacement twin cylinder engines. Most "middleweight" bikes these days are twin or triple cylinder engines...
2wheeldynoworks.com

Things like this really set them apart from the rest, but their reputation is in track racing where schnitz and Moore have drag cred. A stock engine is a stock engine, though.
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So, they have a header for every bike that they'll flash an ecu for, and have previously dyno-tuned that model, with their header, with a wideband O2 sensor in each downpipe?
Reading their reasoning makes sense in theory...but if things are that precise...then how are they able to make generic flashes for all of those bikes based off of only one?
I think the issue with any poor performing dyno-tune or mail-in flash is the result of an inexperienced tuner, as there are too many excellent running bikes out there that have been well tuned by very knowledgable people.
This company says that they tune A/F and timing to each cylinder, because every engine is a little different(which technically they are), so again; how can that transfer to a mail-in flash?
And even if they only dyno'd a bike with their header; how can that transfer to any other exhaust, as there will be minute changes in bends, diameters, and lengths there as well, and an ideal aftermarket exhaust works because it has timed the exhaust gas pulses correctly, and a certain amount of back pressure is required, based on engine modifications.
Again, in theory, this tuning each cylinder sounds good, but in reality, I would think is overkill and unesacerry in most cases, again assuming that your bike is tuned by someone knowledgable and experienced.
If this were not the case, we would see poor performance or catastrophic failures often from top tuners, which is not the case.
I would like to hear more on this subject, as I am not sold on it overall.
Do I think that if I was building a LSR bike, turbo, top shelf everything, that a wideband O2 sensor in every down tube, and in the exhaust that was staying on the bike would be beneficial?
Well, it does seem as though it would.
However, would a canned tune based off of this, or even dyno'd with their header, be noticeable at all in the average bolt-on bike? I do not think so, but, as I am not a dyno-tuner, it is not for me to officially say, but I personally do not think so.
 
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sixpack577 said:
So, they have a header for every bike that they'll flash an ecu for, and have previously dyno-tuned that model, with their header, with a wideband O2 sensor in each downpipe?
Reading their reasoning makes sense in theory...but if things are that precise...then how are they able to make generic flashes for all of those bikes based off of only one?
I think the issue with any poor performing dyno-tune or mail-in flash is the result of an inexperienced tuner, as there are too many excellent running bikes out there that have been well tuned by very knowledgable people.
This company says that they tune A/F and timing to each cylinder, because every engine is a little different(which technically they are), so again; how can that transfer to a mail-in flash?
And even if they only dyno'd a bike with their header; how can that transfer to any other exhaust, as there will be minute changes in bends, diameters, and lengths there as well, and an ideal aftermarket exhaust works because it has timed the exhaust gas pulses correctly, and a certain amount of back pressure is required, based on engine modifications.
Again, in theory, this tuning each cylinder sounds good, but in reality, I would think is overkill and unesacerry in most cases, again assuming that your bike is tuned by someone knowledgable and experienced.
If this were not the case, we would see poor performance or catastrophic failures often from top tuners, which is not the case.
I would like to hear more on this subject, as I am not sold on it overall.
Do I think that if I was building a LSR bike, turbo, top shelf everything, that a wideband O2 sensor in every down tube, and in the exhaust that was staying on the bike would be beneficial?
Well, it does seem as though it would.
However, would a canned tune based off of this, or even dyno'd with their header, be noticeable at all in the average bolt-on bike? I do not think so, but, as I am not a dyno-tuner, it is not for me to officially say, but I personally do not think so.
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That's why I went with Moore Mafia as they have done a lot of differently set up Hayabusas of all model years enough to get it just about on the mark for a canned mail in flash....

With the very specific tune such as the one described, the bike would have to be tuned for it's use at sea level or barometric pressure if it's going to be that precise.....

I can see MotoGP or NRHA going to this length but not the average, everyday rider...
 
Bumblebee said:
That's why I went with Moore Mafia as they have done a lot of differently set up Hayabusas of all model years enough to get it just about on the mark for a canned mail in flash....

With the very specific tune such as the one described, the bike would have to be tuned for it's use at sea level or barometric pressure if it's going to be that precise.....

I can see MotoGP or NRHA going to this length but not the average, everyday rider...
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The Moore Mafia dyno tune on the '18 Gsxr1k is almost perfect, with the only downside being switch like on and off the throttle, but, them being dragracers, that doesn't suprise me.
The rest of the tune is flawless, very linear, zero hesitation or flat spots.
 
sixpack577 said:
So, they have a header for every bike that they'll flash an ecu for, and have previously dyno-tuned that model, with their header, with a wideband O2 sensor in each downpipe?
Reading their reasoning makes sense in theory...but if things are that precise...then how are they able to make generic flashes for all of those bikes based off of only one?
I think the issue with any poor performing dyno-tune or mail-in flash is the result of an inexperienced tuner, as there are too many excellent running bikes out there that have been well tuned by very knowledgable people.
This company says that they tune A/F and timing to each cylinder, because every engine is a little different(which technically they are), so again; how can that transfer to a mail-in flash?
And even if they only dyno'd a bike with their header; how can that transfer to any other exhaust, as there will be minute changes in bends, diameters, and lengths there as well, and an ideal aftermarket exhaust works because it has timed the exhaust gas pulses correctly, and a certain amount of back pressure is required, based on engine modifications.
Again, in theory, this tuning each cylinder sounds good, but in reality, I would think is overkill and unesacerry in most cases, again assuming that your bike is tuned by someone knowledgable and experienced.
If this were not the case, we would see poor performance or catastrophic failures often from top tuners, which is not the case.
I would like to hear more on this subject, as I am not sold on it overall.
Do I think that if I was building a LSR bike, turbo, top shelf everything, that a wideband O2 sensor in every down tube, and in the exhaust that was staying on the bike would be beneficial?
Well, it does seem as though it would.
However, would a canned tune based off of this, or even dyno'd with their header, be noticeable at all in the average bolt-on bike? I do not think so, but, as I am not a dyno-tuner, it is not for me to officially say, but I personally do not think so.
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was with the family all morning sorry man I'm drained Those are great questions for 2wdw if you were curious. Just giving a recommendation based on my experience and their knowledge, understanding, etc. I'm not sure what you're to be sold on, I believe this is just how they prefer it and I don't think it can be "noticed" per say but it's better than a pop and bang tune for the same price imo. I can almost guarantee you'll never see a 2wdw flash go to south Carolina. That's all.

The exhausts they would have personally tested. They'll buy it, test, then sell the pipes.
I don't know how large their catalog is, or anyone's to be fair.
 
dcnblues said:
You should wait on the flash until you figure out what your final exhaust will be. Moore Mafia can then match the tune to that exhaust.
- I recommend paying extra for the pops and bangs, but I requested it to be mild. Came out perfect. About 1/3 of the time, you'll get a really great growl and sputter when you are downshifting and passing people. Not sure other tuners offer the same thing.
-Mine was an early one for the Yosh AT2, and in first gear in the twisties, the fuel map can be a little Twitchy. I've gotten used to it but I'd be nervous about loaning the bike to anybody. I'm sure he would smooth it out if I send it back but I'm too lazy.
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I am getting pops and bangs with my akrapovic full system already with stock ecu lol...

I have no idea if i should change my final exhaust to brocks penta carbon... They look pretty dope..
But i like my akrapovic's sound
 
DING said:
I am getting pops and bangs with my akrapovic full system already with stock ecu lol...

I have no idea if i should change my final exhaust to brocks penta carbon... They look pretty dope..
But i like my akrapovic's sound
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Pair valve blocked off yet?
 
DING said:
I am getting pops and bangs with my akrapovic full system already with stock ecu lol...

I have no idea if i should change my final exhaust to brocks penta carbon... They look pretty dope..
But i like my akrapovic's sound
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if you're running the stock ECU with a full exhaust, you could be running lean, and that can be a problem. Make a decision and get the flash sooner rather than later...
 
DING said:
Not yet, i am getting stacks, gen2 cams and pair valve blocked off together soon, then a proper ecu flash.

Although i have no idea what does that pair valve blocked off thing do, i see everyone is getting that thing
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When the pair is blocked off, it stops the snap, crackle and pop of the exhaust as it's no longer pumping air into the system....

I have the pair block off system sitting in my garage but haven't installed it as I kind of like the racket when I'm on decel......
 
Bumblebee said:
When the pair is blocked off, it stops the snap, crackle and pop of the exhaust as it's no longer pumping air into the system....

I have the pair block off system sitting in my garage but haven't installed it as I kind of like the racket when I'm on decel......
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So basically it does not add any extra horsepower with that thing installed
Maybe it does make the bike smoother?
 
DING said:
So basically it does not add any extra horsepower with that thing installed
Maybe it does make the bike smoother?
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From everything I've read about it....all removing it does is stop the pops and bangs....it adds no hp and I've never read about it making anything smoother.

Some just do the marble mod and leave it in place.
 
Bumblebee said:
From everything I've read about it....all removing it does is stop the pops and bangs....it adds no hp and I've never read about it making anything smoother.

Some just do the marble mod and leave it in place.
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Okay, for saving some weight, I'm getting that thing.... Hahahah
 
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