Woman gets a $835 parking ticket.

[MelodicMetalGod]

??? I still don't know why fines s/b "reasonable". Reasonable fines are like sending a spoiled kid to their room on "time out" as punishment when they have every entertainment device known to man in there and asking them what you can bring them to eat or drink while their on time out.

For the same reason that we don't cut off someones hands when they steal a candy bar! You might want to spend a little more time studying the Constitution and the letters written by our founding fathers. Maybe that will give you a little more understanding of our justice system and fairness under the law..

We're not talking about maiming people for life for making mistakes, we're talking about setting monetary fines for offences of willful inconsideration.

Thanks for the recommended reading.

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

If people knew how much the ticket is going to be for sure the wont park there, but how are they going to know that? It looks like this is an ongoing problem, and a extreme fine is just going to teach 1 person at the time, it looks like there was a "no parking" sign but it was a lil far away from the side that she parked, the asked couple of persons and they say they didnt see it, they need to put couple more with the amount of the high fines and towing away.

Fair enough.

 

[BusainOrlandoFlorida]

The fact that there are always an exceptional few willing to take such extreme action doesn't mean that the fine has no deterrent value.

Judging by the discussion in the forum alone, I think it's obvious that virtually no one wants to deal with being fined $835. Therefore, it's safe to say that virtually no one will park on the grass if they know that it may cost them $835.

On the other hand, many legal metered parking spaces and garage spaces can cost $20 to use for a single day in some cities. So...a $20 fine is often seen as simply the cost of parking in which case there is no deterrent value whatsoever.

Let's look at it this way: You're a city official trying to ensure that no one parks on the grass. You don't have budget to install a physical barrier. How do you best ensure that folks don't park on the grass?

I don't think that virtually no one wants to deal with being fined $835, its that virtually no one thinks its fair to be fined $835. And therein lies the problem here. That's why that ridiculous fine made the news in the first place !!! because it was CLEARLY out of line.

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

I don't think that virtually no one wants to deal with being fined $835, its that virtually no one thinks its fair to be fined $835. And therein lies the problem here. That's why that ridiculous fine made the news in the first place !!! because it was CLEARLY out of line.

In either case, would you not agree that nobody wants to pay $835 to park for a few hours?

The reason it made the news is that the fine is out of the norm, no doubt. And if you want to change normal behavior, it makes sense to impose a penlty that is not normal. Charge the same ol' parking fine of $25 to $40 and watch the same people simply pay to park...that's how our greates cities make money grab. The don't charge $835 b/c they know people just woudln't park illegaly and therefore they city loses it's income from parking violations.

 

[smac]

??? I still don't know why fines s/b "reasonable". Reasonable fines are like sending a spoiled kid to their room on "time out" as punishment when they have every entertainment device known to man in there and asking them what you can bring them to eat or drink while their on time out.

We're not talking about maiming people for life for making mistakes, we're talking about setting monetary fines for offences of willful inconsiderati

We ARE talking about excessive penalties and that has been my point of contention the whole time. My example above was about an excessive penalty.

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

??? I still don't know why fines s/b "reasonable". Reasonable fines are like sending a spoiled kid to their room on "time out" as punishment when they have every entertainment device known to man in there and asking them what you can bring them to eat or drink while their on time out.

We're not talking about maiming people for life for making mistakes, we're talking about setting monetary fines for offences of willful inconsiderati

We ARE talking about excessive penalties and that has been my point of contention the whole time. My example above was about an excessive penalty.

OK, you're in charge, you want to ENSURE that people no longer park on the grass and the community supports that goal. You have no budget for installing physical barriers or adding manpower and you don't want to raise taxes on the general population to pay for a solution. What do you do?

TO clarify, what penalty is not excessive AND will stop the behavior in question?

 

[BusainOrlandoFlorida]

The fact that there are always an exceptional few willing to take such extreme action doesn't mean that the fine has no deterrent value.

Judging by the discussion in the forum alone, I think it's obvious that virtually no one wants to deal with being fined $835. Therefore, it's safe to say that virtually no one will park on the grass if they know that it may cost them $835.

On the other hand, many legal metered parking spaces and garage spaces can cost $20 to use for a single day in some cities. So...a $20 fine is often seen as simply the cost of parking in which case there is no deterrent value whatsoever.

Let's look at it this way: You're a city official trying to ensure that no one parks on the grass. You don't have budget to install a physical barrier. How do you best ensure that folks don't park on the grass?

??? I still don't know why fines s/b "reasonable". Reasonable fines are like sending a spoiled kid to their room on "time out" as punishment when they have every entertainment device known to man in there and asking them what you can bring them to eat or drink while their on time out.


OK, you're in charge, you want to ENSURE that people no longer park on the grass and the community supports that goal. You have no budget for installing physical barriers or adding manpower and you don't want to raise taxes on the general population to pay for a solution. What do you do?

TO clarify, what penalty is not excessive AND will stop the behavior in question?

Where did it say they had no budget for installing physical barriers ???
Every government has a budget, that's some of what a budget is for, to put up signs, barriers, etc.
come on, how much can these cost to fix the problem ?

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

One ticket for $835 bucks would pay for all those, hmmmm.....

 

[smac]

??? I still don't know why fines s/b "reasonable". Reasonable fines are like sending a spoiled kid to their room on "time out" as punishment when they have every entertainment device known to man in there and asking them what you can bring them to eat or drink while their on time out.


OK, you're in charge, you want to ENSURE that people no longer park on the grass and the community supports that goal. You have no budget for installing physical barriers or adding manpower and you don't want to raise taxes on the general population to pay for a solution. What do you do?

TO clarify, what penalty is not excessive AND will stop the behavior in question?

Question answered on post 96...

 

[Schexy1]

Where did it say they had no budget for installing physical barriers ???
Every government has a budget, that's some of what a budget is for, to put up signs, barriers, etc.
come on, how much can these cost to fix the problem ?

I don't know about where you live, but here that would be a 6 month $2,000,000.00 job. Only about $10,000.00 in acutual cost, the rest would be in kick backs and fake contracts.

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

Where did it say they had no budget for installing physical barriers ???
Every government has a budget, that's some of what a budget is for, to put up signs, barriers, etc.
come on, how much can these cost to fix the problem ?

No mention was made of budget in the story. Of course gov't has A budget, but why should the average law abiding citizen that DOES NOT park on the grass have to foot the bill for those that do? Right now, is there ANY gov't that has surplus of funds to burn?

One ticket for $835 bucks would pay for all those, hmmmm.....

Question answered on post 96...

So, in essence, y'all are now arguing to charge ALL citizens to effectively subsidize the bad behavior of the very few who can't be bothered to abide by the laws? ???

 

[smac]

No mention was made of budget in the story. Of course gov't has A budget, but why should the average law abiding citizen that DOES NOT park on the grass have to foot the bill for those that do? Right now, is there ANY gov't that has surplus of funds to burn?







So, in essence, y'all are now arguing to charge ALL citizens to effectively subsidize the bad behavior of the very few who can't be bothered to abide by the laws? ???

It is my understanding that the park is private property, why should the government pay for anything?

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

It is my understanding that the park is private property, why should the government pay for anything?

Well, in the video the sign they presented for the park says that it's public. But either way, why should the gov't have to pay (with OUT money) so that offenders don't have to pay/or pay less?

 

[smac]

Well, in the video the sign they presented for the park says that it's public. But either way, why should the gov't have to pay (with OUT money) so that offenders don't have to pay/or pay less?

I never said they should. My only point of contention has been that the penalty should fit the offense, which it does not! You asked for solutions and I gave you solutions....

 

[houstonbussa]

She knowingly broke the law but $700+.. naw.. But stick it to someone that you know will pay the fine vs someone who deserves the fine (like real criminals). Although she admitted passing parking spaces. Everyone should know from driver's ed that red curbs are a no no. It was clearly marked. The city probably needs to put up more signs.. or better yet, on on the entrance of the complex with a sign to say how much the fine will be. But the city rep was wrong.. That is my damn tree.. haha.

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

She knowingly broke the law but $700+.. naw.. But stick it to someone that you know will pay the fine vs someone who deserves the fine (like real criminals). Although she admitted passing parking spaces. Everyone should know from driver's ed that red curbs are a no no. It was clearly marked. The city probably needs to put up more signs.. or better yet, on on the entrance of the complex with a sign to say how much the fine will be. But the city rep was wrong.. That is my damn tree.. haha.

Of course the tree belongs to the community. I believe the city attorney meant that the tree was not for parking under.

Here's another perspective. If the "fine should fit the crime", if it cost $1000 to put up a physical barrier, would a fine of $1000 be fitting? ???

 

[BusainOrlandoFlorida]

I have officially lost interest in this thread.

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

I have officially lost interest in this thread.

Hmmm...your post says otherwise.

Oh, and let's leave the horses out of it and stick to the point.

 

[BusainOrlandoFlorida]

I said it was OFFICIAL !!!!!

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

I said it was OFFICIAL !!!!!

Eh? What was that? Couldn't "hear" ya? Any chance you could speak up?