And I thought "Jobs" was the #1 priority

here ya go guys...Tim Cox (the dude who's a self made millionair and known for incorporating card readers into gas pumps years ago) is championing a revolutionary new selection/election process/concept called G.O.O.O.H. (acronym for)...

"Get Out Of Our House"

his mission is simple...get the beltway boys off the freakin beltway...no more Jekyle/Hyde politicians and no more voting against the principles elected politicians ran their campaign on...check it out..

- 1/5 - Tim Cox - GOOOH interviewed by Elizabeth Allan Hodge for FYIdaho[/url]

the mans onto something...and IIIIIIIII LIKE IT! :thumbsup: :beerchug:
 
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About this "NOT" designed to be a Christian nation by our founding fathers...

George Washington - It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
 
Obama's health care pitch to Democrats: Trust me
CHARLES BABINGTON
From Associated Press
March 07, 2010 4:03 PM EST
WASHINGTON (AP) — In private pitches to Democrats, President Barack Obama
says he will persuade Congress to pass his health care overhaul even if it kills
him and even if he has to ask deeply distrustful lawmakers to
trust him on a promise the White House doesn't have the power to keep.

That, in a sometimes darkly joking way, is what the president is telling
Democratic House members as he begins an all-out push to coax Congress
into passing his proposals despite voters' misgivings and Republicans' dire warnings.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

TRUST ME :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Trust me...O.M.G.
 
The country pulled out of the great depression thanks to WWII. If the government stops spending the depression becomes worse, and quickly.
Funny how so many people have the answer to what's wrong in Washington yet don't run for office, or change their tune drastically once they are there......
Where did George state this? In the Constitution?
 
This is all a moot point because universal health coverage is unconstitutional and will be shut down by the Supreme Court on the first challenge. :rulez:
 
You can pick and choose your arguement all day long Mr. Brown and that is your right. I invite you and anyone else to continue this conversation after the November 2010 elections. I believe the American people are tired of what is going on with our current elected officials and us Christians are standing up for what is right more than ever. Let's agree to disagree for now and continue this dialog after the elections, agree?......det45

Perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly. The principles that this country, the United States of America, was founded on are not unique to Christianity, and pre-date the Christian religion by thousands of years. To say that simply because they are the same this is a Christian country is absurd. It's like aftermarket parts. Yes, they fit and do the job, but they are not OEM parts, no matter what you call them.
On another note, the founding fathers did not mention which God they were referring to when speaking of Him, it's an insult to all the other major belief systems out there for anyone to assume that they meant the Christian one. Had they intended that to be the case, they would have made that clear. They were wise enough to use a general term, thus not practicing the religious persecution the original pilgrims were attempting to escape. Freedom of religion is a basic right of this country, nowhere does it state what this religion is to be. Christianity is a belief, just like any and every other story, and just because we happen to believe it, doesn't make it factual. The existence of God, any God, cannot be proven. A belief cannot be proven by definition, when it can it becomes a fact. Christianity has no more factual basis than any other theory, religion or story and therefore carries no more empirical weight. You can profess the founding fathers values and structure as coinciding with Christianity, and you would be correct, but to state that this is a Christian country is an opinion, and a fallacious one at that.
I'm not insulted by your statement at all, it just isn't accurate.....
 
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Couldn't have said it any better my good brother.....det45

About this "NOT" designed to be a Christian nation by our founding fathers...

George Washington - It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
 
this pretty much says it all....

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

seems to me, the founding fathers were pretty clear about the position religion had in the gov. of thier new country.
 
Subject: An idea whose time has come

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn't pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered...in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop. This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

Have each person contact a minimum of Twenty people on their Address list, in turn ask each of those to do likewise..

In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."
 
this pretty much says it all....

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

seems to me, the founding fathers were pretty clear about the position religion had in the gov. of thier new country.


The problem is the part about "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" is pretty much stomped on regulary. This is what's creating such a stir with Christians currently. Practices that have been in place since our government was established all of the sudden "must be abolished" because we don't want to offend anyone. What about offending the Christians that have prayed before meetings or saying the pledge, or praying before school for many generations? When it comes to our rights it seems no one really cares whether it offends us or the fact that it obviously hasn't hurt our country seeing as how America is one of the most blessed countries out there (or used to be).

To be honest I've never really understood what the big problem is. If the majority of the people that lived in same country as I did prayed to cows every morning and I didn't believe in it, I wouldn't be threatened or offended by it I would just say oh well if that's what they want to believe then so be it.

I would be the first to defend anyone that was being forced to participate, however the ones pushing the atheist agenda are not happy with that. They want to see it COMPLETELY REMOVED FOR EVERYONE. This is where our problems begin. To me it's a huge double standard. Non-believers scream how intolerant we are, when in the same breath they expect everyone to do as they say, even when the majority doesn't even agree with them.

Personally I believe if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We continue to remove God from our schools, workplaces, etc, and then we wonder why our fellow Americans seem to have lost their moral compass. We reap what we sow and if we continue to remove God from our lives then he will remove America from his hand.
 
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The problem is the part about "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" is pretty much stomped on regulary. This is what's creating such a stir with Christians currently. Practices that have been in place since our government was established all of the sudden "must be abolished" because we don't want to offend anyone. What about offending the Christians that have prayed before meetings or saying the pledge, or praying before school for many generations? When it comes to our rights it seems no one really cares whether it offends us or the fact that it obviously hasn't hurt our country seeing as how America is one of the most blessed countries out there (or used to be).

To be honest I've never really understood what the big problem is. If the majority of the people that lived in same country as I did prayed to cows every morning and I didn't believe in it, I wouldn't be threatened or offended by it I would just say oh well if that's what they want to believe then so be it.

I would be the first to defend anyone that was being forced to participate, however the ones pushing the atheist agenda are not happy with that. They want to see it COMPLETELY REMOVED FOR EVERYONE. This is where our problems begin. To me it's a huge double standard. Non-believers scream how intolerant we are, when in the same breath they expect everyone to do as they say, even when the majority doesn't even agree with them.

Personally I believe if it ain't broke, don't fix it. We continue to remove God from our schools, workplaces, etc, and then we wonder why our fellow Americans seem to have lost their moral compass. We reap what we sow and if we continue to remove God from our lives then he will remove America from his hand.

well said, but you point out one thing i have a problem with. you say that we should do things like pray, or invoke god because we have always done them.

thats a legitimate argument. however i have two questions, that need some asnwers if you could.

1. Just because we have done something for many years, does that justify that we continue to do them? slavery was allowed, but it has been outlawed. Women can now vote, although originally they very few rights. today people of all races, and genders are considered equal, even though from the very first minute this country was born they were not equal.

sometimes change occurs becuause it is the right thing to do....

2. Although you may not know this, our money did not always have "in god we trust". These words did not get placed on our money until the 1860's. In fact "in god we trust" did not become the Nations motto until the 1950's.

Today we recite our Pledge of Allegiance, and the words "one nation under god" without giving the thought that the pledge was written in 1892, and it did not have "one nation under god" in it. This was added in the 1950's as well.

the writers of our Constitution, our Founding Fathers did not include any of the things christians currently fight over. All of these things were added many years after the Constitution was written.

The inclusion of god in the pledge of allegiance was not a national issue, the people were not crying out for it. this was the idea of a few, they convinced lawmakers and the nation was changed. in 1950, the nation was not marching in protest to add god to the pledge....most people were indifferent.


people are afraid of change, its normal. Will you or anyone else be less spiritual or holy if you recite a pledge without the words "under god" ?

no, you won't.....because a person religion is a personal thing...


just an opinion.
 
well said, but you point out one thing i have a problem with. you say that we should do things like pray, or invoke god because we have always done them.

thats a legitimate argument. however i have two questions, that need some asnwers if you could.

1. Just because we have done something for many years, does that justify that we continue to do them? slavery was allowed, but it has been outlawed. Women can now vote, although originally they very few rights. today people of all races, and genders are considered equal, even though from the very first minute this country was born they were not equal. I don't think comparing slavery to worshiping God is a legitatimate comparison so I can't entertain that.

sometimes change occurs becuause it is the right thing to do....

2. Although you may not know this, our money did not always have "in god we trust". These words did not get placed on our money until the 1860's. In fact "in god we trust" did not become the Nations motto until the 1950's. I didn't know that, thanks for the info. It would still qualify as "generations" though.

Today we recite our Pledge of Allegiance, and the words "one nation under god" without giving the thought that the pledge was written in 1892, and it did not have "one nation under god" in it. This was added in the 1950's as well.

the writers of our Constitution, our Founding Fathers did not include any of the things christians currently fight over. All of these things were added many years after the Constitution was written. It's interesting though that we didn't actually become a superpower until the 1890's, so some might venture to say it wasn't until we began recognizing God that we become the blessed nation that we are today.

The inclusion of god in the pledge of allegiance was not a national issue, the people were not crying out for it. this was the idea of a few, they convinced lawmakers and the nation was changed. in 1950, the nation was not marching in protest to add god to the pledge....most people were indifferent. Actually it was more than a few. The change was partly motivated by a desire to differentiate between communism, which promotes Atheism, and Western capitalistic democracies, which were at least nominally Christian. The phrase "Atheistic Communists" has been repeated so many times that the public has linked Atheism with communism; the two are often considered synonymous. Many consider Atheism as unpatriotic and un-American as is communism. The new motto was first used on paper money in 1957, when it was added to the one-dollar silver certificate. By 1966, "In God we Trust" was added to all paper money, from $1 to $100 denominations.


people are afraid of change, its normal. Will you or anyone else be less spiritual or holy if you recite a pledge without the words "under god" ? I'm not afraid of change, however I will never agree with the removal of God from anything. As a Christian, it would be "against my religion" so to speak to do otherwise.

no, you won't.....because a person religion is a personal thing...


just an opinion.
Thank you for sharing your opinion in a less demeaning way. As I said before I do enjoy reading your posts, because you do bring a different point of view to the conversation. I also appreciate you sharing the reason for your feelings. It does help me to better understand your position. I truly hope that one day you will give God another chance. He does love us and he would never condone what that Catholic priest did to your friend. It says in Matthew 18:6 that "whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea". That priest has something unspeakable waiting for him when he takes his last breath.
 
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The country pulled out of the great depression thanks to WWII. If the government stops spending the depression becomes worse, and quickly.
Funny how so many people have the answer to what's wrong in Washington yet don't run for office, or change their tune drastically once they are there......
Where did George state this? In the Constitution?

Exactly :thumbsup:

WWII pulled the country out of the depression NOT, I repeat NOT 1 single
socialist program of FDR worked to pull us out of the depression NONE.

You can't raises taxes and turn the country into a Nanny state and expect
people to prosper and have a healthy economy...it doesn't work.
 
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this pretty much says it all....

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

seems to me, the founding fathers were pretty clear about the position religion had in the gov. of thier new country.

Yes again Exactly :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The statement is there for FREEDOM TO WORSHIP...not freedom from worship.

People occasionally miss the boat on this one. People came to America for
religous freedom TO worship and not be persecuted. The law was put in place
to make certain that Govt never ever ever prohibits the practice of religion...
not to kick God out of govt and our lives...to make certain he can always come in.

It kills me when the atheists start chanting seperation of church and state,
the whole purpose and intent just went...

 
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"I don't think comparing slavery to worshiping God is a legitatimate comparison so I can't entertain that."

Who owned these slaves? Certainly not god worshiping Christians? I agree it's not comparing to the worship,but the worshipers owned the slaves. In a country founded on the idealism of freedom?

Peoples rights kept getting added from this countries creation. Worshipers of god have issues when it conflicts with the spreading of the words of god(that they are taught to do). Fact is not everyone shares the same beliefs. Change will always happen. Shame some people don't like it.

Not like the government ever had to fix their own mistakes. Government would not be in place if it didn't have anything to govern. Once enough of "We The People" see fit for change,it will happen. Rally up! Make it happen! That's what these people are doing that you might have issues with. :beerchug:
 
"I don't think comparing slavery to worshiping God is a legitatimate comparison so I can't entertain that."

Who owned these slaves? Certainly not god worshiping Christians? I agree it's not comparing to the worship,but the worshipers owned the slaves. In a country founded on the idealism of freedom? We'll I'm pretty sure atheist owned slaves as well, so once again the comparison is not valid. We could also say it was a majority of Christians that helped to stand against slavery, because they were taught that everyone was created equally.

Peoples rights kept getting added from this countries creation. Worshipers of god have issues when it conflicts with the spreading of the words of god(that they are taught to do). Fact is not everyone shares the same beliefs. Change will always happen. Shame some people don't like it.

Not like the government ever had to fix their own mistakes. Government would not be in place if it didn't have anything to govern. Once enough of "We The People" see fit for change,it will happen. Rally up! Make it happen! That's what these people are doing that you might have issues with. :beerchug:
You are corect, we do need to rally up. Hopefully we'll see this change forth coming.
 
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