And the Govt fires the first shot over the bow of health care

[Dino]

then you might want to read this article from the WSJ

The Health Care Rationing Commission

I think the last sentence of this article says it best.....

"The core problem with government-run health care is that it doesn't make decisions in the best interests of patients, but in the best interests of government."

Thanks for the link.

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Keep in mind that the link is to an "OPINION" editorial NOT a news story. Also if you think insurance companies have your "best interest" in mind you are living in fantasy land, why would they? Insurance companies LOSE money when they pay a claim. So making decisions that are in your best interest cut into their profits.
and is counter to their business model.

 

[Dino]

Here's the thing and Dawn makes an excellent point. This whole issue was to insure those that did not have insurance ( even though a lot of those folks opted not to pay for insurance because they were healthy and self employed, not that they couldn't afford it. )??

Seriously do you have any reliable evidence to back this up?

 

[BlondeOnaBusa]

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Keep in mind that the link is to an "OPINION" editorial NOT a news story. Also if you think insurance companies have your "best interest" in mind you are living in fantasy land, why would they? Insurance companies LOSE money when they pay a claim. So making decisions that are in your best interest cut into their profits.
and is counter to their business model.

I guess we can both live in fantasy land together if you believe government will be any better.

 

[PDBusa]

I just ask this. If the Government wants to run health care and is so confident in its ability to do so, why aren't all those in Government running to sign up for it? Are they even going to be taxed equally for this master plan? Oh, that's right.... some in this administration don't bother to pay taxes....

 

[Dino]

I guess we can both live in fantasy land together if you believe government will be any better.

Based upon it NOT being in the company's or stockholder's best interest to pay for YOUR health care clains, I do not think any option that includes private insurance companies will make a difference.

If it is the goal is saving money then you would want to cure disease not just treat it. Once you crue a disease there is no longer a market for treatment. So inorder to save money you work toward a cure (Government Health Care). If you want to make money and a profit you make a product people need and keep purchasing a treatment not a cure (Private Health Care).

I just ask this. If the Government wants to run health care and is so confident in its ability to do so, why aren't all those in Government running to sign up for it? Are they even going to be taxed equally for this master plan? Oh, that's right.... some in this administration don't bother to pay taxes....

Because it is a polarizing issue and there is so much mis-information being thrown around that the voter is confused, so even though they may want vote to do the right thing it could potentially cost them their jobs.



"The World Health Organization (WHO) in 2000 ranked the U.S. health care system first in both responsiveness and expenditure, but 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study)."*

How is it that we accept that we spend the most but are 72d in overall health? Don't you think that a healthy population is more productive?



*<http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html>

 

[skydivr]

You only have to look at the VA to see the future of your health care....

 

[Dino]

You only have to look at the VA to see the future of your health care....

If you are not happy with the VA why don't you choose something else?


The VA can not compete with private for profit health care. If the system is corrupt it will suqash those trying to do the right thing.

 

[Justyntym]

this should be simple philosophy...whatever the gov't gets into...they screw it up.


But...this is not about healthcare

Check out all the new taxes, we all have a bunch of extra money
as does our employers...

 

[Justyntym]

One reason socialism doesn't work...

watch it till the end, it's global

 

[Justyntym]

and you trust these people....

they are lying to us...

 

[Justyntym]

one more and I'm done

so much for the land of the free...

 

[Dino]

We are really in trouble if we are letting Glenn Beck think for us.

 

[MrsGrumpy]

It's the mamogram that they want us to wait till we are 50 and the pap at 21. I don't think this should be left up to the government to decide but between the doctor and patient.

Always on the ball Dawn! Ya beat me to it. I thought that this is the information that I heard as well. Personally....being the parent of a daughter, I would just assume have the test done earlier and pay out of pocket. No way in heck is she going to wait until she's 21.

 

[Dino]

It's the mamogram that they want us to wait till we are 50 and the pap at 21. I don't think this should be left up to the government to decide but between the doctor and patient.

Always on the ball Dawn! Ya beat me to it. I thought that this is the information that I heard as well. Personally....being the parent of a daughter, I would just assume have the test done earlier and pay out of pocket. No way in heck is she going to wait until she's 21.

Take a second and really inform yourselves. It is your health after all. The study, not the government, is saying the if no other pre-conditions exist then you may be safe waiting beyond age 21. So OF COURSE it is between the patient and doctor to determine what tests are necessary based upon your medical history.

You are now free to continue to be "on the ball"

 

[J'Man]

We are really in trouble if we are letting Glenn Beck think for us.

As nutty as GB gets some times, he does bring valid points. I think we're in more trouble if we let the current admin think for us.

Personally I think we do need to make some changes (i.e.- do away with pre-existing condition clauses, etc), however I think the current proposal is "throwing the baby out with the bath water". We don't need government running healthcare. Come on they couldn't even get the cars for clunkers program right. Do you really want to turn them loose with our Health care system??

I was reminded of what to expect the other day when I needed to call the DMV. If you've ever called or visited a DMV office you quickly realize you're not a customer. They could give a crap less whether you have a good experience with them. I don't see how them running health care will be any different AFTER they put the private sector out of business.

 

[Dino]

As nutty as GB gets some times, he does bring valid points. I think we're in more trouble if we let the current admin think for us.

Personally I think we do need to make some changes (i.e.- do away with pre-existing condition clauses, etc), however I think the current proposal is "throwing the baby out with the bath water". We don't need government running healthcare. Come on they couldn't even get the cars for clunkers program right. Do you really want to turn them loose with our Health care system??

I was reminded of what to expect the other day when I needed to call the DMV. If you've ever called or visited a DMV office you quickly realize you're not a customer. They could give a crap less whether you have a good experience with them. I don't see how them running health care will be any different AFTER they put the private sector out of business.

I did not know the DMV was a federal organization?

My arguement is simple with privatized health care there is no incentive to cure you, only treat you, because there is no profit in a cure.

In a government system there is incentive to cure you because in the long run a cure saves money.

 

[StromBusa]

Ya the US mail has the private sector on it's knees......

 

[J'Man]

I did not know the DMV was a federal organization?

Did I say it was run by the federal government?? It's a state "GOVERNMENT" run organization smarty. As usual you missed the point of the analogy.

You're right Dino we should just turn everything over to the government and save ourselves from ourselves.

 

[Justyntym]

We are really in trouble if we are letting Glenn Beck think for us.

Oh really...

and the taxes he showed on the video...those are lies and are NOT in the bill.

And the John Murtha clip...never really happened.

And New York State isn't really in the red and neither is the rest of the World.

And the 24 trillion dollar deficite that he got off whitehouse.gov is also not accurate...

I tend to think he's spot on. The entire thought of saddling healthcare and
extra taxes out the wazzoo for employers and the public in this economy is INSANE...
all for the sake of the worthless. It's redistribution of wealth...period.

Obama believes in redistribution of wealth and has surrounded himself with
like minded socialist, communists, etc...

I only hope it's wont be to late

 

[Justyntym]

Take a second and really inform yourselves. It is your health after all. The study, not the government, is saying the if no other pre-conditions exist then you may be safe waiting beyond age 21. So OF COURSE it is between the patient and doctor to determine what tests are necessary based upon your medical history.

You are now free to continue to be "on the ball"

BS...healthcare now isn't between patient and doctor. Throw in the fed govt
and you just made it ten times snafu.

I had insomnia (big time) got perscribed lunesta. Pay...I dunno $1500 a year
for health insurance. Make 1, singe, UNO trip to the doctor in the whole year.
Get the above persctiption. I go to get it filled, the insurance company bumped
it saying it was to expensive and refused to fill it. Some pencilneck 1000
miles away with probalby NO medical degree whatsoever has decided I
do not need the perscription. The doctor is totally removed from the equation
and it happens all the time.

SO here I am pised off as hell at 3:00 in the morning staring at the ceiling.

And somehow you think geting the Feds involved is going to make this better.