Can anyone here tell me what "Like an AR15" really means?

[Blanca BusaLess]

I must have struck a nerve with you.......my interpretation skills are only as good as the product provided by yourself.

Gun crimes are a thing here because of the number of guns smuggled into Canada from the US. It's hard to control that but thankfully gun violence is very minimal here in comparison by capita. I have lots of weapons and I feel I am well above average in the proficiency of them but in all honesty, I don't really need them...I like to have them but don't need them to protect my family or property...it just isn't that way here.

I now know you are anti-vax and anti gun control...that's allowed so no worries on my end believe what you want, I have no problem with people believing what they want, we slugged that out in other threads already and honestly, I'm sick and tired of the whole subject.

The pandemic was the pandemic, not much the world could do about that, we weren't the only country that imposed vaccinations and rightfully so.

Not to delve into the measurement contest but what you did in country and what I had to do are not capable of a comparison so there's no need to dwell on that.

You have yourself a nice day...I'm going out to do a little maintenance on the Bumblebee...which is my real passion...

The only nerve you struck is that you wish to imply something I never said.
Also it’s not a vaccine. But yeah I don’t wish to pick that scab either. The fact you still think it was right to force people to take something they didn’t want shows you have no concept of true freedom.
Have yourself a nice day.

 

[Bumblebee]

The appropriate solution would be to let citizens of this country decide for themselves if they wish to protect themselves or not.

Indiana shooting that killed four raises controversial ‘good guy with a gun’ theory

Conservatives often claim only a ‘good guy with a gun’ can stop shootings. The data paints a more complicated picture

www.independent.co.uk

Let people of NYC carry to protect themselves and crime rates would drop significantly. It’s not rocket science. In places where people can carry and will defend themselves crime rates are considerably lower than in places where they can’t. Why is that? It’s because criminals know that and have no fear of the average citizen. They are sheep being preyed upon by violent predators.
As I said you cannot even defend yourself with deadly force inside your home in Canada. You are literally directed to flee instead. They are subjects there not citizens. Subject to political whim, subject to King Truedeau, subject to having their entire financial life frozen if they go against the edicts of their govt. subjects and definitely not free.

Uh, you quoted @Dnyce but dug your spurs into me....and my country (that you know very little about).

I admit there was governmental overreach during those protests and that will be answered for in the future. I certainly never voted for our current government and will be happy when they get replaced...

That being said, I am not antigovernmental, they have a job to do as well.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Uh, you quoted @Dnyce but dug your spurs into me....and my country (that you know very little about).

I admit there was governmental overreach during those protests and that will be answered for in the future. I certainly never voted for our current government and will be happy when they get replaced...

That being said, I am not antigovernmental, they have a job to do as well.

I quoted his post to point out what my opinion is of the solution to deterring violent crimes. The threat of being caught certainly isn’t one. Like I said look at NYC and how violent crimes have skyrocketed. That is a direct result of the govt there preventing people from being able to defend themselves.
I’m not anti-govt either. I just think both sides of the aisle have forgotten ‘for the people and by the people’. They no longer think, believe or will admit they work for us. All of them now seem to use it to simply enrich themselves. And that is wrong.
Three boxes of liberty, The ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box. The first two seem to be failing. The creators of this country gave us the right to the third one which the democrats seem hell bent on changing. While lecturing us on how we shouldn’t be able to own certain things or defend ourselves they do it from gated communities and from behind their own personal armed security. Hypocrites the lot of them are.
What I said about Canada is true. If you took it personally it wasn’t my intent. I don’t know you and have no reason to personally insult you. But the Canadian system is not designed to give you individual liberty or freedom.
Like I said I prefer dangerous liberty and so did the founders.

 

[Bumblebee]

I'm tracking and agree, the upper crust have forgotten the people who put them in their positions...they get so wrapped up in their own soap operas that they lose touch in reality.

It's a sad thing this happens, the leaders of many countries almost get lost in their own power that they lose touch with their purpose.

Canada has a robust charter of rights, it is as detailed as one would ever expect. I won't bore you with attaching a link to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We have no 2nd Amendment so the right to bear arms is not in any charter...our country was founded very differently than yours..it was fought for but we fought the French...won then conceded Quebec....and we should have continued fighting and not have conceded as Quebec has become a pain in our back-side over the years...however I digress..

Back to guns, I've carried and used them since I was a young child-learned to respect and look after them....I then carried them in the military for most of my adult life and used them for their intended purpose on too many occasions to remember...that being said, it was a VERY nice feeling to come home and know I didn't need to carry or use one in defense of my own family or property. I was in the kind of job that we deployed on a moment's notice into some pretty bad situations...I could go from eating Thanksgiving dinner with my family to deploying in the middle of the night into a failed state so I know what it's like to need a weapon platform to do a specific job.

I can only speak on us here in Canada but nobody here needs a weapon such as an AR-15 or it's brethren....and because have no right to carry a weapon, handguns are another weapon system we don't really need here...I got rid of all my handguns as they were a pain in the arse to own.

 

[Dnyce]

Pain in the ass bcuz of Canada’s laws? Just curious.
So what weapons did you keep?

I feel like an ar15 or similar (need) argument is similar to a Hayabusa.

Transportation is a (high enough want in 1st world countries) Thats its a need. But do u need a Busa? It’s a great platform for various types of racing, touring, etc but could u use a ninja 300 instead so you don’t have to walk? You could.

But in this country it’s a right, so there shouldn’t be a need to justify exercising your right.

I’m in ca so it’s already super fuucked over here but oddly enough, the places ppl seem to feel they need to carry to protect themselves, are also the places that don’t even bother giving out ccw permits. For example. Orange County? Low crime, ccw permit issuance is like auto approved as long as u not a criminal or certified crazy. La county? High crime, Ccw historically is like impossible unless you gave the governor a bj or something.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I'm tracking and agree, the upper crust have forgotten the people who put them in their positions...they get so wrapped up in their own soap operas that they lose touch in reality.

It's a sad thing this happens, the leaders of many countries almost get lost in their own power that they lose touch with their purpose.

Canada has a robust charter of rights, it is as detailed as one would ever expect. I won't bore you with attaching a link to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We have no 2nd Amendment so the right to bear arms is not in any charter...our country was founded very differently than yours..it was fought for but we fought the French...won then conceded Quebec....and we should have continued fighting and not have conceded as Quebec has become a pain in our back-side over the years...however I digress..

Back to guns, I've carried and used them since I was a young child-learned to respect and look after them....I then carried them in the military for most of my adult life and used them for their intended purpose on too many occasions to remember...that being said, it was a VERY nice feeling to come home and know I didn't need to carry or use one in defense of my own family or property. I was in the kind of job that we deployed on a moment's notice into some pretty bad situations...I could go from eating Thanksgiving dinner with my family to deploying in the middle of the night into a failed state so I know what it's like to need a weapon platform to do a specific job.

I can only speak on us here in Canada but nobody here needs a weapon such as an AR-15 or it's brethren....and because have no right to carry a weapon, handguns are another weapon system we don't really need here...I got rid of all my handguns as they were a pain in the arse to own.

I already thanked you for your service. Whether or not you served our country or yours it is still note worthy and deserving of peoples thanks.
I am however confused by your statements though?

How do you know ‘who does or doesn’t need an AR?’

She needed one..

Pregnant Woman Uses AR-15 To Protect Husband, Daughter From Home Invasion

A pregnant mother used an AR-15 rifle to defend her husband and 11-year-old daughter from two violent intruders in their Lithia, Florida, home three years ago.

amp.dailycaller.com

These people needed one and in my opinion there was no better tool to use for the task at hand when one person faces multiple attackers or home invaders..

10 True AR-15 Self-Defense Stories - The Truth About Guns

"A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it." These AR-15 self defense stories are prime examples of times when the black rifle saved innocent lives.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Also you say you’re so glad to know you don’t need one or a handgun to protect yourself or your family? No disrespect meant but are you clairvoyant?
How do you know when or where you will or won’t need a firearm to protect you or yours? Answer is you dont. If you FEEL no reason to carry or own to protect yourself than that is your decision and I won’t fault you for it. Many people here feel they don’t need guns. Unfortunately though most often they are the ones who immediately call the guys with guns to come save them. Again it’s a personal decision and many simply aren’t comfortable with them or around them. That is also their right. But nobody truly knows when evil will rear it’s head, nobody. Personally I prefer to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is why I have fire extinguishers in my home and a whole house generator. I hope for no fires and no hurricanes but am prepared for both. Not paranoid but prepared.

 

[Bumblebee]

I already thanked you for your service. Whether or not you served our country or yours it is still note worthy and deserving of peoples thanks.
I am however confused by your statements though?

How do you know ‘who does or doesn’t need an AR?’

She needed one..

Pregnant Woman Uses AR-15 To Protect Husband, Daughter From Home Invasion

A pregnant mother used an AR-15 rifle to defend her husband and 11-year-old daughter from two violent intruders in their Lithia, Florida, home three years ago.

amp.dailycaller.com

These people needed one and in my opinion there was no better tool to use for the task at hand when one person faces multiple attackers or home invaders..

10 True AR-15 Self-Defense Stories - The Truth About Guns

"A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it." These AR-15 self defense stories are prime examples of times when the black rifle saved innocent lives.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Also you say you’re so glad to know you don’t need one or a handgun to protect yourself or your family? No disrespect meant but are you clairvoyant?
How do you know when or where you will or won’t need a firearm to protect you or yours? Answer is you dont. If you FEEL no reason to carry or own to protect yourself than that is your decision and I won’t fault you for it. Many people here feel they don’t need guns. Unfortunately though most often they are the ones who immediately call the guys with guns to come save them. Again it’s a personal decision and many simply aren’t comfortable with them or around them. That is also their right. But nobody truly knows when evil will rear it’s head, nobody. Personally I prefer to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is why I have fire extinguishers in my home and a whole house generator. I hope for no fires and no hurricanes but am prepared for both. Not paranoid but prepared.

I can count on one hand how many armed home invasions have happened in all of Canada over the past year or longer....

Our gun storage laws here would making it impossible to get to, unlock the weapon, unlock the ammo, load and engage a target in a given time frame....and although there's the impending court battle, for me personally, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 8.....If someone were to break into my home with me here, I don't need a gun to dispatch them, I have had very advanced CQC training with and without weapons (knives, bow staff, things like that).

As for needing a gun while out in public, I've lived here for more than 56 yrs and haven't had any need to be armed whatsoever, I've never encountered a situation where I wished I was armed as a citizen and nobody I know or have heard about has ever had this need in their lifetime either.

I have a Generac system, a back up battery pack for my sump pump, extra fuel in 5 gal tanks, fire extinguishers and salt for the steps in icy conditions but I've never had or felt the need to be armed while here in Canada.

I am well armed, I have multiple firearms and probably 10K of ammo that generally sits...
especially now that many of my weapons are banned and the local ranges are basically shut down, my weapons are just things that sit in a locked cabinet.

The US and Canada are vastly different places both in ideology and view points...we do share a good many other good things such as the car culture, music, movies food and the like...

 

[Dnyce]

So you’re Canadian John Wick. I knew it!

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I can count on one hand how many armed home invasions have happened in all of Canada over the past year or longer....

Our gun storage laws here would making it impossible to get to, unlock the weapon, unlock the ammo, load and engage a target in a given time frame....and although there's the impending court battle, for me personally, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 8.....If someone were to break into my home with me here, I don't need a gun to dispatch them, I have had very advanced CQC training with and without weapons (knives, bow staff, things like that).

As for needing a gun while out in public, I've lived here for more than 56 yrs and haven't had any need to be armed whatsoever, I've never encountered a situation where I wished I was armed as a citizen and nobody I know or have heard about has ever had this need in their lifetime either.

I have a Generac system, a back up battery pack for my sump pump, extra fuel in 5 gal tanks, fire extinguishers and salt for the steps in icy conditions but I've never had or felt the need to be armed while here in Canada.

I am well armed, I have multiple firearms and probably 10K of ammo that generally sits...
especially now that many of my weapons are banned and the local ranges are basically shut down, my weapons are just things that sit in a locked cabinet.

The US and Canada are vastly different places both in ideology and view points...we do share a good many other good things such as the car culture, music, movies food and the like...

I bet these victims wished they had been armed and had a better chance than zero. While not as often it happens there too.

Three dead, including gunman, in Canada shooting -police

Three people including the suspected gunman were killed in a series of shootings early on Monday in the Canadian province of British Columbia, police said.

www.reuters.com

Defend yourself with deadly force against a home invader in Canada and you will find yourself being tried by 12 as according to your laws you don’t have the right to do that. You have to flee your own home.
Point is all the silly gun laws you have there do nothing to stop or deter crime yet here you are in this thread saying the USA needs more. Hows that make sense? It doesn’t.

 

[Bumblebee]

I bet these victims wished they had been armed and had a better chance than zero. While not as often it happens there too.

Three dead, including gunman, in Canada shooting -police

Three people including the suspected gunman were killed in a series of shootings early on Monday in the Canadian province of British Columbia, police said.

www.reuters.com

I agree, I'll bet they would want more chances than zero...

It takes a special kind of person to carry a weapon and then actually use it in a crisis such as this...

It's a tough, cruel world we live in and we could "what if" it all day and night and never come up with a solution.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I agree, I'll bet they would want more chances than zero...

It takes a special kind of person to carry a weapon and then actually use it in a crisis such as this...

It's a tough, cruel world we live in and we could "what if" it all day and night and never come up with a solution.

I already gave you the solution. Let people decide for themselves if they wish to carry to defend themselves. To criminals the unknown of who may have what is the deterrent. Again in NYC and places like it criminals know for sure nobody there is carrying. So its open season on sheep for the lions. That is common sense the left refuses to admit.

 

[Bumblebee]

I already gave you the solution. Let people decide for themselves if they wish to carry to defend themselves. To criminals the unknown of who may have what is the deterrent. Again in NYC and places like it criminals know for sure nobody there is carrying. So its open season on sheep for the lions. That is common sense the left refuses to admit.

Even in carry states there is quite a bit of gun violence, it might be less but it is still very much present. I can only surmise there are many people carrying who walk away from gun violence without engaging an active shooter.....lots of people have first aid courses that go in the opposite direction at an accident scene too...


Here in Canada there is zero right to carry anything yet our gun violence (although present) is very low per capita. The gun culture is firmly embedded into the US and nothing will change that....as more and more immigrants move into the US it might stifle somewhat but will never change. We've never had a big gun culture here in Canada...we have lots of hunting weapons in the form or bolt actions and shot guns though.

Left, right, it makes little difference, there was still a lot of gun violence in the US under either democrats or republicans..

We here in Canada had strict gun laws under any government....I'm not happy our current government went and banned 1500 weapon platforms and is on the way to ban handguns but I'm not 100% certain this wouldn't happen in some sort of manner if the conservatives were in power...

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Even in carry states there is quite a bit of gun violence, it might be less but it is still very much present. I can only surmise there are many people carrying who walk away from gun violence without engaging an active shooter.....lots of people have first aid courses that go in the opposite direction at an accident scene too...


Here in Canada there is zero right to carry anything yet our gun violence (although present) is very low per capita. The gun culture is firmly embedded into the US and nothing will change that....as more and more immigrants move into the US it might stifle somewhat but will never change. We've never had a big gun culture here in Canada...we have lots of hunting weapons in the form or bolt actions and shot guns though.

Left, right, it makes little difference, there was still a lot of gun violence in the US under either democrats or republicans..

We here in Canada had strict gun laws under any government....I'm not happy our current government went and banned 1500 weapon platforms and is on the way to ban handguns but I'm not 100% certain this wouldn't happen in some sort of manner if the conservatives were in power...

So you admit that where people can carry gun crimes are less. Point made.
Also in passing more laws and banning more guns anywhere it is an admission that the laws already passed and on the books didn’t work. So why pass more? Very definition of a criminal is one who doesn’t obey the law. Laws only affect law abiding citizens and they aren’t the ones out committing the overwhelming majority of violent crimes.
Im glad youre highly trained. The average person is not. The ability to defend yourself is a great equalizer. The words ‘from all enemies foreign and domestic’ were written in our constitution for a reason and on purpose. Has nothing to do with hunting or sporting events and everything to do with proper checks and balances between govt and its populace.

Scroll to 1:10 and listen to how purposefully ignorant the Penguin is in his question.

He appears to seem shocked the congressman would suggest that civilians would use weapons against troops and govt. He’s not that stupid. But he is purposefully ignoring the true intent of the reason we have the 2A. The fact that there are approx 40 million AR type rifles in our hands scares the ever loving crap outta them. And that it why they continue to try to place the 2A in a hunting or sporting type mentality. Many people these days have no idea what happened in history or why we have the right to keep and bear arms. So when penguins like Nadler speak about semi-auto weapons to the sheep who listen to him they believe his bs. The 2A was written and given to us for one reason and one reason only. And that is to keep our govt in check. And many of the founders said it is our duty to overthrow it if it becomes too oppressive. People who doubt that have never read things that Madison, Jefferson or Washington said. Purposeful dumbing down of our kids and society so these rights can easily be taken away. The ones who want to abolish the 2A do not understand or refuse to see that it is the one and only right that guarantees all others. Without it we’d simply be subjects. Subject to the whims of govt. Nothing good ever comes when it gets to that point.
So as I said before I’ll take my dangerous liberty over being a submissive subject.

 

[Zerks]

You nailed it Blanca. In a nutshell... power corrupts... and those that want to enslave a country will stop at nothing until somebody stops them.

The wife asked me years ago... "what if they come to the door to take your guns?". Well... the answer will be no... and then we shall see how it plays out after that... It probably won't go to good for me as when they ( the Feds ) decide to do something like deprive people of the power they were guaranteed by the Constitution they usually get it done regardless of what the law says.

Like they did after Hurricane Katrina by using the National Guard to confiscate weapons because its for the citizens own good, don't you know? Unlike what happened with the Bundy Ranch standoff where the Feds blinked because the power of guns in numbers is understood to be a force to reckon with.

I guess when a person is a liberal leftist the word tyrant and tyranny don't really mean anything because its considered a conspiracy theorist type of thought process. We all know how stupid conspiracy theorist are.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

“We all know how stupid conspiracy theorist are.”

We sure do

 

[Bumblebee]

So you admit that where people can carry gun crimes are less. Point made.
Also in passing more laws and banning more guns anywhere it is an admission that the laws already passed and on the books didn’t work. So why pass more? Very definition of a criminal is one who doesn’t obey the law. Laws only affect law abiding citizens and they aren’t the ones out committing the overwhelming majority of violent crimes.
Im glad youre highly trained. The average person is not. The ability to defend yourself is a great equalizer. The words ‘from all enemies foreign and domestic’ were written in our constitution for a reason and on purpose. Has nothing to do with hunting or sporting events and everything to do with proper checks and balances between govt and its populace.

Scroll to 1:10 and listen to how purposefully ignorant the Penguin is in his question.

He appears to seem shocked the congressman would suggest that civilians would use weapons against troops and govt. He’s not that stupid. But he is purposefully ignoring the true intent of the reason we have the 2A. The fact that there are approx 40 million AR type rifles in our hands scares the ever loving crap outta them. And that it why they continue to try to place the 2A in a hunting or sporting type mentality. Many people these days have no idea what happened in history or why we have the right to keep and bear arms. So when penguins like Nadler speak about semi-auto weapons to the sheep who listen to him they believe his bs. The 2A was written and given to us for one reason and one reason only. And that is to keep our govt in check. And many of the founders said it is our duty to overthrow it if it becomes too oppressive. People who doubt that have never read things that Madison, Jefferson or Washington said. Purposeful dumbing down of our kids and society so these rights can easily be taken away. The ones who want to abolish the 2A do not understand or refuse to see that it is the one and only right that guarantees all others. Without it we’d simply be subjects. Subject to the whims of govt. Nothing good ever comes when it gets to that point.
So as I said before I’ll take my dangerous liberty over being a submissive subject.

The ideology of the 2nd amendment is flawed.....when your founding fathers wrote it, they most likely didn't see technology being where it is today...

It was written in a day and age when the possibility was very real that the US could be overthrown by a foreign power....there was tiny fledgling military and a vast territory to defend...the vast territory still exists (to the benefit of the US) but there is now a very robust military, coast guard and police force protecting the nation...

We have to be realistic....do we think for one second that the federal government would order it's own troops to go quell it's civilians? It came to that a few times (Kent State University), most recently under Trump who wanted to send in troops to quell riots and protests....

There are many AR15 type platforms in the hands of the civilian population-an unorganized group of civilians....if you know anything about tactics and strategy, It would be a real miracle to organize these civilians into any sort of effective fighting force who would have to fight against National Guard and regular troops who have quite an arsenal at their beckoned call....In reality, what military will turn against it's civilians and still have any sort of country left. I've been to those countries and they aren't fit to live in.

To take and occupy even a medium sized city would take vast resources that are sustainable and if there wasn't 100% buy in from the civilian populace, you could end up with a civil war within a civil war...


Now I'm writing a short novel here and could write much more on the subject but will digress as I know it is falling on deaf eyes...your mind has been made and set, there's is no point discussing it any further.

 

[Bumblebee]

If there were at least better gun owner storage laws in the US, this sort of headline could be avoided....if a kid can't get their hands on a gun within the household, it would be much better.

Alaska teen shot, killed 3 siblings before turning gun on himself: police

 

[xc700]

there is a lot more ways of killing people without using a gun. you are not going stop someone from murder by a bunch of bs laws. highland park already had banned the ar 15 from that city years ago. myself i dont have 77 minutes to wait for someone to show up and save me like they did in texas with 380 law enforcement agents that responded to that mass shooting.

 

[Bumblebee]

there is a lot more ways of killing people without using a gun. you are not going stop someone from murder by a bunch of bs laws. highland park already had banned the ar 15 from that city years ago. myself i dont have 77 minutes to wait for someone to show up and save me like they did in texas with 380 law enforcement agents that responded to that mass shooting.

Better ways? Certainly is but the gun is the weapon of choice these days in the US and on a smaller scale Canada....

Gun control in the US is a non-starter...it just is an impossibility at this point and shouldn't even be attempted....proper security and storage is a whole other animal and should definitely be enforced to stop people who shouldn't have guns from getting them. Responsibility of gun ownership needs to be brought to light.

There are countless instances where legal gun owners don't even know where their firearms are...did they leave them in an unlocked car or in a purse somewhere, many don't even know???

There are also countless instances where toddler aged children are finding them and killing by accident....this isn't right at any level.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I’d be for some restrictions as to the sales of any weapon platform to anyone under 21 and even older, but only after some waiting period for a proper background check for prior convictions for assaults with or without using a gun, or mental health issues or confinement. This might prevent shootings by teenagers who previously could obtain them legally. It also wouldn’t bother me in the least to see open carry laws go the way of the do do bird. This ain’t Tombstone in the 1800s. It’s ridiculous to simply say let the individual decide.

For those teenagers growing up in rural areas, farms or ranches, I’m sure their parents would provide them with ‘learner’ guns. I had a Remington bolt action single shot 22 when I was a kid. My dad also showed me how to shoot a 12 gauge. I didn’t buy a handgun until I was 21. Red flag laws, if properly written, enforced and adjudicated just might prevent some deaths too. I am not for laws removing what weapons are already in the hands of Americans, just preventing teenagers, mental health individuals or those with assault convictions from buying them. I also think that if a person can ‘qualify’ to own a handgun they should be able to legally carry one concealed. Storage laws should be written and enforced across all states too. If children reside in the home, every weapon should be unobtainable to them.