Caps quick thoughts on Gen 3

[Mythos]

We should be grateful it hasn't been discontinued.

Except for the fact it could mean the end of this forum, I would welcome the Hayabusa being discontinued. I already got the best one and I don't want there to be a better one I can't afford. I might buy a ZX14R though. I don't have one of those yet.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I’m sure their forum awaits your presence.

 

[zucchero]

I've waited to post my thoughts on the Gen 3 because I wanted to have some time to digest all of the data Suzuki has released.

I started by journey with the Hayabusa in 99 when I ordered by 2000 Busa and replaced it with a 2007 and then my 3rd busa was my 2008 Gen 2.

I have had just about every mod on the bikes over the years at some point and have ridden the bike on the quarter mile, across the country on weeks long tours and had full weekends on road tracks.

On very few occasions have I ever opened the bike up full throttle and just let the bike run out to the top end speed. 1st of all there just isn't a good place to do this for top end and 2nd it's just not safe on public roads.

What I did see from Suzuki is a lot of effort in changing the motor to make it more efficient and powerful where it's typically needed as opposed to power in a speed band that very few ever touch. What I have consistently heard over the past couple of days is that people wanted the increased HP and bike spec numbers for bragging rights for a bike in which the war is already over.

I started looking at all of the mods I have had over the years and I remembered Steve Holl and Ken from Suzuki coming to the Robbinsville Bash with us and watching them go over all of the mods that we had put on our bikes. They asked in detail why we made the changes and what the benefits were. We tried to explain to them but I clearly recall the best way to explain the changes was to let them ride on so Ken threw his leg over Zukracers Gen 1 and off on the Dragon we went.. When Ken came rolling back in he raised his visor and was grinning from ear to ear he got it, he understood every single mod that Brian had put on his bike. Ken had an all new appreciation for the mods

Fast forward to Scar's 1st annual Reno event and American Suzuki was there and our old friend Steve Holl again and they asked us about colors, mods and the future of the busa. I remember telling them that some of the best mods would be HID's and cruise control and we were told there wasn't any way they could put those features on a bike because of liability.

I started making a list of the mods I have had on my bikes and the new features on the new Gen 3

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The list goes on and on of things that have been included in standard bike. What I think is important is that the top speed wars are over so why are so many focused on the HP and top grunt. The bike is more aerodynamic and if you notice the mid-range get up and go is better than the Gen II. So while I understand it would have been great to have an even bigger motor between your legs that you won't ever use Suzuki offered up a bike that really meets the needs of most of the riders out there.

Folks might want to wait until someone actually rides one before they put a nail in the coffin for the Hayabusa.

The biggest detractor for me is the price, I get there is a lot of bike there but GEESH… I will have to wait a few years and buy a used one from someone else.

Thanks Suzuki for keeping the bike going!

Someone tell me if the trashcan mod got added to the Gen 3

Cap

I must admit that after reading your post my perspective towards Gen3 has changed because I was under the impression that Suzuki had left busa to die and were lingering on with it only because it was still selling but i guess that's not true because they did listen and implemented some changes.
we all know that any street legal bike cannot exceed 300kmph mark so even if busa comes with a 500bhp stock engine it will be restricted to not go beyond 300kmph limit so ultimately the race is who can reach the 300kmph mark quicker.YES when launched Gen1 was the undisputed champ and we again want busa to have that glory.
Almost all my busa owner friends who still have it or have sold it and bought a litre class 'peppy' bikes swears by busa's STABILITY at high speeds.Infact there only complain is that beyond 260kmph many litre class bike do not give them the confidence to push it further.According to them busa is 'rock solid' stable and give immense amount of confidence to push it even further 300 mark.(which they can't due to restricted speed limit)
now what we have is-
1.TOP SPEED(limit300kmph) - as seen in promo videos this Gen3 will reach there effortlessly. 10/10
2.HIGH SPEED STABILITY -the aerodynamics and shape of busa makes it an absolute CHAMP.Busa truly shines in this department. 10/10
3.DESIGN - I personally think this is the best looking busa.The front and rear looks so futuristic.I am glad they have retained the orignal speedo and tacho meter.A digital ones would have been a big turn off for me.And yes this is so aerodynamic now.I truly love the way Gen3 looks. Thanks Suzuki.10/10
4.ELECTRONICS- I guess Gen3 now comes with more electronics than one can ask for.It now even comes with 'hill slope stop' which wasn't that necessary but it has it..!!!Now it comes with all the bells and whistles we have been craving for.10/10
Honestly with Gen3 I wasn't expecting it to be a H2 killer but all I wanted was a few more HP with a slight weight reduction because every new busa cannot replicate the impact Gen1 did.
I have this gut feeling that this time Suzuki only focused on adding electronics(which were long pending) and designing it more aerodynamically ,futuristically so that when the Gen4 is launched it is with a bigger engine.Electronics + new styling+bigger engine would have increased the cost substantially higher.Maybe with Gen3 they have made a 'platform' for a new bigger engine to be launched in future.
With the same 1340cc busa is like a lion who has lost its kingdom and this feeling really truly deeply HURTS!!! The price tag is too high.will wait till i get some used Gen3 which doesn't seem to be anytime sooner but when the opportunity comes will certainly buy a Gen3.

 

[Bumblebee]

I must admit that after reading your post my perspective towards Gen3 has changed because I was under the impression that Suzuki had left busa to die and were lingering on with it only because it was still selling but i guess that's not true because they did listen and implemented some changes.
we all know that any street legal bike cannot exceed 300kmph mark so even if busa comes with a 500bhp stock engine it will be restricted to not go beyond 300kmph limit so ultimately the race is who can reach the 300kmph mark quicker.YES when launched Gen1 was the undisputed champ and we again want busa to have that glory.
Almost all my busa owner friends who still have it or have sold it and bought a litre class 'peppy' bikes swears by busa's STABILITY at high speeds.Infact there only complain is that beyond 260kmph many litre class bike do not give them the confidence to push it further.According to them busa is 'rock solid' stable and give immense amount of confidence to push it even further 300 mark.(which they can't due to restricted speed limit)
now what we have is-
1.TOP SPEED(limit300kmph) - as seen in promo videos this Gen3 will reach there effortlessly. 10/10
2.HIGH SPEED STABILITY -the aerodynamics and shape of busa makes it an absolute CHAMP.Busa truly shines in this department. 10/10
3.DESIGN - I personally think this is the best looking busa.The front and rear looks so futuristic.I am glad they have retained the orignal speedo and tacho meter.A digital ones would have been a big turn off for me.And yes this is so aerodynamic now.I truly love the way Gen3 looks. Thanks Suzuki.10/10
4.ELECTRONICS- I guess Gen3 now comes with more electronics than one can ask for.It now even comes with 'hill slope stop' which wasn't that necessary but it has it..!!!Now it comes with all the bells and whistles we have been craving for.10/10
Honestly with Gen3 I wasn't expecting it to be a H2 killer but all I wanted was a few more HP with a slight weight reduction because every new busa cannot replicate the impact Gen1 did.
I have this gut feeling that this time Suzuki only focused on adding electronics(which were long pending) and designing it more aerodynamically ,futuristically so that when the Gen4 is launched it is with a bigger engine.Electronics + new styling+bigger engine would have increased the cost substantially higher.Maybe with Gen3 they have made a 'platform' for a new bigger engine to be launched in future.
With the same 1340cc busa is like a lion who has lost its kingdom and this feeling really truly deeply HURTS!!! The price tag is too high.will wait till i get some used Gen3 which doesn't seem to be anytime sooner but when the opportunity comes will certainly buy a Gen3.

This is what I was trying (and obviously failing) to say....

I ride like a little old man these days as my racing days are far behind me so having more than what I have now is wasted on me..

However, the analogy of the lion is a good one and this is what I was trying to say. The Hayabusa was designed to rule and there should have been more effort made for this to be a reality again.

 

[zucchero]

This is what I was trying (and obviously failing) to say....

I ride like a little old man these days as my racing days are far behind me so having more than what I have now is wasted on me..

However, the analogy of the lion is a good one and this is what I was trying to say. The Hayabusa was designed to rule and there should have been more effort made for this to be a reality again.

I am sure now that Suzuki has got everything right,be it style,electronics,better brakes,better riding position by bringing handle bars 12MM closer to rider NOW all they need is to just add couple of more HP and slight weight reduction and the busa will SHINE again.....

 

[Bumblebee]

I am sure now that Suzuki has got everything right,be it style,electronics,better brakes,better riding position by bringing handle bars 12MM closer to rider NOW all they need is to just add couple of more HP and slight weight reduction and the busa will SHINE again.....

Suzuki knows the users will be doing that...

I am bit surprised Suzuki didn't come up with a luggage carrying system for it though.

 

[captain]

If all this is true, or the way you feel, you need no more than a good 300cc bike. I know there is more than pure power but Hayabusa had both and that is what drew me to them in the first place

Would a Burgman 400 be too much?

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I don't think I can afford a Gen 3 Busa as it's out of my price range but this beast is starting to look pretty hot to me. I bet I can still get a knee down on it too!

www.hayabusa.org

 

[captain]

We all have our own opinions and I respect you all, my only request is that if you are going to throw the bike out as the end of line for the mighty bike would you at least let someone ride it first.

cap

 

[Bumblebee]

We all have our own opinions and I respect you all, my only request is that if you are going to throw the bike out as the end of line for the mighty bike would you at least let someone ride it first.

cap

Fair enough request...

I would say the latest rendition of the Hayabusa will be a better all around motorcycle and the electronic aids will make it better and easier to go fast on.

I guess street domination would be a never ending chore and one not financially smart for a motorcycle company in today's fiscal down turn to partake in.

 

[Dennis]

95% of the people can't ride a Gen 1 to its full potential. If you like the Gen 3 buy one, if not, don't. I like it from what I have seen and will more than likely be buying one. Several of my close friends feel the same way. I will never sell my 05 Gen 1. I love the way I feel when I am on it, and probably will the Gen 3 also. Now, to sell the Concours and have a nice down pmt on the new Gen 3.

99% of people (including me) can’t ride a 250 or 300 to its full potential.

 

[Dennis]

So from what I read this bike is faster (Gen3) than the Gen 2 inmid range and has launch control and other doo dads that are there for safety and to maximize not just the bike but the rider...

Agreed. Welcome to modern day sport bike status quo.

 

[pashnit]

And with that folks, we'll slide this right in here.

 

[Red05]

The Hayabusa was designed to rule and there should have been more effort made for this to be a reality again.

I know I'm harping on it but the definition of rule is different for everyone. I know the defining number for most has been the quarter mile time. Mine changed in the 70's when I realized my butt couldn't feel the difference of a tenth of a second. Most races are decided by the rider's ability to know their bike and the rider's weight.
The Hayabusa rules the sports touring segment in the performance department, with the word performance encompassing all factors of a motorcycle. Pretty sure the gen 3 just widened the gap and if Suzuki introduces hard bags for it I'll be hooked.

 

[jellyrug]

While some likes the rush of more power on tap than what can be used, one can only practically use what Newtonian laws allow. The Busa achieved that limit more than 20 years ago.

Below is a copy and paste directly from Suzuki.


“There was an option to take the Hayabusa in a new direction with a new engine," says Naoki Mizoguchi, Engine Designer. "We made prototypes with larger displacement, a turbocharger and different numbers of cylinders. But while comparing prototypes with the second-generation model we found that its engine offered better all-around performance than any of the prototypes.

"In testing, the turbocharged engine power output characteristics were so drastic that it was only good for long straight roads. Therefore, we used the second-generation model's engine as a basis from which to improve the power and torque in the low to mid-range."”

 

[Dennis]

While some likes the rush of more power on tap than what can be used, one can only practically use what Newtonian laws allow. The Busa achieved that limit more than 20 years ago.

Below is a copy and paste directly from Suzuki.


“There was an option to take the Hayabusa in a new direction with a new engine," says Naoki Mizoguchi, Engine Designer. "We made prototypes with larger displacement, a turbocharger and different numbers of cylinders. But while comparing prototypes with the second-generation model we found that its engine offered better all-around performance than any of the prototypes.

"In testing, the turbocharged engine power output characteristics were so drastic that it was only good for long straight roads. Therefore, we used the second-generation model's engine as a basis from which to improve the power and torque in the low to mid-range."”

Right .... because turbo motors never make low end torque.

 

[captain]

While some likes the rush of more power on tap than what can be used, one can only practically use what Newtonian laws allow. The Busa achieved that limit more than 20 years ago.

Below is a copy and paste directly from Suzuki.


“There was an option to take the Hayabusa in a new direction with a new engine," says Naoki Mizoguchi, Engine Designer. "We made prototypes with larger displacement, a turbocharger and different numbers of cylinders. But while comparing prototypes with the second-generation model we found that its engine offered better all-around performance than any of the prototypes.

"In testing, the turbocharged engine power output characteristics were so drastic that it was only good for long straight roads. Therefore, we used the second-generation model's engine as a basis from which to improve the power and torque in the low to mid-range."”

Anyone remember that ride with hotfoot in Arkansas that time when he was on his Turbo Busa... That was an incredibly, ridiculously fast busa but had so much power he had to feather the throttle in the curves so the back tire didn't break loose and send him 60 feet in the air on a world record high side. We passed him in the corners then like a beam of light he ate us on the straightaways... Well that was until we found him in the ditch...

There is balance somewhere in the power and ability of the rider.. I've watched Uncle Steve at the track chew up guys on Gixxer 1000's not because the Busa was the fastest bike because he was able to take that bike past where most of us could take it AND the guy on the Gixxer wasn't at the same riding level as Steve. We should all just stipulate that two equal riders on both bikes and the busa will lose on a road course, this isn't to say that you won't have loads of fun.

The bike is what it is, the best all freaking around bike out there, cross country, quarter mile, track days you name it and the bike will do it.

Cap

 

[captain]

And with that folks, we'll slide this right in here.

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I look pretty good in a beret!

 

[Jza]

Could you at least wait until some has ridden one before you throw it out!

Don’t need to... after 14 years to not even put the time and effort into improving the power (which for me is the DNA of this bike) is unforgivable and has completely put me off even trying one. Suzuki are spitting in our faces and unfortunately it seems a lot of you are ok with that... pure cost savings on their part.

I don’t want ‘drivability’, I want, after 14 years, to ride something new that moves the goalposts forward and shocks me like my Gen2 did the first time I got it past 7k revs... that’s a Busa!!!

 

[captain]

Don’t need to... after 14 years to not even put the time and effort into improving the power (which for me is the DNA of this bike) is unforgivable and has completely put me off even trying one. Suzuki are spitting in our faces and unfortunately it seems a lot of you are ok with that... pure cost savings on their part.

I don’t want ‘drivability’, I want, after 14 years, to ride something new that moves the goalposts forward and shocks me like my Gen2 did the first time I got it past 7k revs... that’s a Busa!!!

Okay so lets work through this... What goal post?

1. Top speed? > Haven't we already been through this one 186 done...
2. 1/4 Mile? > Do you need more HP or the ability to get the power you have to the ground?
3. Dyno numbers? > Oh my here we go again

What power do you want more of and what are you going to do with it? I will repeat 99% of the riders out there don't use what they have now..

Cap

 

[twotonevert]

Anyone remember that ride with hotfoot in Arkansas that time when he was on his Turbo Busa... That was an incredibly, ridiculously fast busa but had so much power he had to feather the throttle in the curves so the back tire didn't break loose and send him 60 feet in the air on a world record high side. We passed him in the corners then like a beam of light he ate us on the straightaways... Well that was until we found him in the ditch...

There is balance somewhere in the power and ability of the rider.. I've watched Uncle Steve at the track chew up guys on Gixxer 1000's not because the Busa was the fastest bike because he was able to take that bike past where most of us could take it AND the guy on the Gixxer wasn't at the same riding level as Steve. We should all just stipulate that two equal riders on both bikes and the busa will lose on a road course, this isn't to say that you won't have loads of fun.

The bike is what it is, the best all freaking around bike out there, cross country, quarter mile, track days you name it and the bike will do it.

Cap

Oh Lord I remember that day. And to add insult to injury he received a ticket to boot.