dyna beads... update?

[Twobrothersbusa]

Go ahead and say it, this is out of character for me. Ok, I'm going to say it...oh, the drama.

Tuf didn't post it, but he did say it in our conversation tonight. If dyna beads were the cat's meow then every BMW or Ducati out the door would come factory with them so that the UGLY tire weights would not be goofing up the art that those guys pose as motorcycles.

If you like the snake oil drink it and enjoy.

 

[skydivr]

Card, Tuf's been around a long time and his bonifides are solid, even when he is being intentionally blunt about getting his point across. What I got from all this is the below:

Dynabeads may be an alternative for a bike ridden for touring or under 'normal' or even under straight-line conditions, or when looks are important; but for race or really high performance riding they may have issues the would make a normal balace weight a better choice.

 

[SKnight]

This is the sort of barnyard horse apples that comes from a man who has nothing of substance to say. Are these remarks really the substance of your ability to debate an issue? You can't just insult a man with a single insult, you must repeat yourself multiple times just to make your point and everybody knows that you are indeed the best man at school yard tactics!

I have a huge advantage over you my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'm smart enough to know I'm not very smart!

Besides forgetting I said pitiful, which isn't an insult more a tactful statement of fact, beyond that all I'm doing is stating the obvious. I've yet to see anything truly intelligent or constructive from you regarding this subject. You're squawking but not saying anything intelligent, about this topic or anything else in this thread. You did ask for proof, I provided the proof that I felt like gathering for you and asked for you to actually disprove it. I still see nothing of the sort from you. See, you don't know the difference between statement of fact and name calling. If I called you a dumbass, that's calling names. Stating that you have nothing intelligent to say on the matter, which so far you don't, isn't an insult. It's saying.......That you obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the matter.

Consider the substance of your debate. You're calling a group of people, the same people that have actually tried this product, the vast majority of which like the product and will use it again, liars and claiming it can't work. Your sole claim is that racers don't use it, which even DB recommends against use in an actual racing environment. OK. Anything to say past that?

Still waiting on credible evidence and or experience on this subject.

I know I'm not smart either, in fact I question my intelligence almost daily. However I don't resort to petty name calling during a debate with no facts to back me up so I can prove it. That's the advantage I have over you. I've tried the product, used it under some pretty harsh conditions, and in my experience they work really well. 100%. What experience do you bring to the table regarding this subject?

And I'm not in the minds of BMW or Ducati but I know OE manufacturers. Clip on weights are established, they work, they're accepted, they're cheap and they're fast. No reason to change unless they can do it cheaper, lower warranty costs, effectively out do the other makes. Just the way they think.

 

[Twobrothersbusa]

I'm sorry, I am over my normal line tonight...

Besides forgetting I said pitiful, which isn't an insult more a tactful statement of fact, beyond that all I'm doing is stating the obvious. I've yet to see anything truly intelligent or constructive from you regarding this subject. You're squawking but not saying anything intelligent, about this topic or anything else in this thread. You did ask for proof, I provided the proof that I felt like gathering for you and asked for you to actually disprove it. I still see nothing of the sort from you. See, you don't know the difference between statement of fact and name calling. If I called you a dumbass, that's calling names. Stating that you have nothing intelligent to say on the matter, which so far you don't, isn't an insult. It's saying.......That you obviously have nothing intelligent to say on the matter.

Consider the substance of your debate. You're calling a group of people, the same people that have actually tried this product, the vast majority of which like the product and will use it again, liars and claiming it can't work. Your sole claim is that racers don't use it, which even DB recommends against use in an actual racing environment. OK. Anything to say past that?

Still waiting on credible evidence and or experience on this subject.

I know I'm not smart either, in fact I question my intelligence almost daily. However I don't resort to petty name calling during a debate with no facts to back me up so I can prove it. That's the advantage I have over you. I've tried the product, used it under some pretty harsh conditions, and in my experience they work really well. 100%. What experience do you bring to the table regarding this subject?

And I'm not in the minds of BMW or Ducati but I know OE manufacturers. Clip on weights are established, they work, they're accepted, they're cheap and they're fast. No reason to change unless they can do it cheaper, lower warranty costs, effectively out do the other makes. Just the way they think.

 

[SKnight]

Say I'm taking a long sweeper on the Cherohala Skyway at 120 MPH, but meet up with a pothole or big asphalt ripple that wasn't there last time. Are these beads going to perform as well as my stick-on weights, or is there a chance they could cause some catastrophic condition with my bike? (Of course nobody would ever ride the Skyway like that )

Unless I missed something, it appears that they work well under normal riding (and wheelbarrowing) conditions, and that superbike teams don't use them because they're more cumbersome than traditional stick-on weights.

So can anyone here cite a professional roadracing team or rider who has successfully tested these beads? Maybe not raced or used regularly, but at least tested. Is there any evidence to prove that these things are safe under truly aggressive riding conditions? Knowing that they work while cruising down a highway or on a stationary electric motor is great for some riders, but how do I know these will work under more sporting conditions?

Somewhere A few pages back I mentioned that I hit a bump hard enough I looked back at it, honestly I wouldn't have been surprised if had bent the lip of the wheel. The ride didn't change one bit. No shake, vibration or otherwise. Had it been leaned over it would have put me in the ditch. Never once have I felt like they were any concern, bumps, ripples, transitions, hard launches. It just never shook. Wish I had more to offer. I tried it weightless then installed the Dynabeads and went on the same roads at the same speeds. It was a dramatic difference, as in slick as glass.

And like I said, they're 1oz. front and 2oz. rear. If they got dislodged and if they clumped in one spot it would be the same as 1 or 2 oz. static imbalance. Riders live with that everyday when they don't balance their wheels and I've never heard of a single person dying, crashing or even getting scared because of a wheel imbalance.

So far as independent testing goes I've not heard of any. Lots of real world testimony though.

 

[SKnight]

I'm sorry, I am over my normal line tonight...

You're not over the line. In fact I totally agree with you. Just don't feel like letting him get the last word right now.

 

[BusaBret]

I'm sorry, I am over my normal line tonight...

Want some while your at it?

 

[Twobrothersbusa]

Yep, pot stirring going on for now.

Want some while your at it?

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I'm sorry, I am over my normal line tonight...

Omg that's funny!!!!! Cannt sssssttttop llllllafffffffin!

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

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If at first mount I balance the tire and then ride say 5000 miles on it. Here it's gonna have a flat spot down center, others may be more evenly worn down but still both have lost an obvious considerable amount of rubber. I don't know many if any that rebalance their tires throughout the life of it. So after that 5000 miles and that loss of rubber is the tire still going to be balanced? If not than you have the tire weights stuck to rim on an unbalanced tire right? Or is it since its an even amount of rubber loss it stays balanced throughout? We've all been to speed with worn tires so were/are we riding with out of balance tires?

 

[Phrogg]

Really? Washing machines are nothing like bikes.... Nope... Not at all.... C'mon get with the thread here...
But the concept of keeping them balanced with a weight that is always changing, is the same.

Good Find!

 

[Phrogg]

In doing my research I just learned front loading washing machines use this same principle.

Really? Washing machines are nothing like bikes.... Nope... Not at all.... C'mon get with the thread here...
But the concept of keeping them balanced with a weight that is always changing, is the same.

Good Find!

 

[BusaBret]

Bret popcorn is colon colon nineteen like this

Thank you Sir.
Colon pop colon works as well. I forgot it was only pop and not popcorn. My bad.

 

[Tufbusa]

Bret popcorn is colon colon nineteen like this



If at first mount I balance the tire and then ride say 5000 miles on it. Here it's gonna have a flat spot down center, others may be more evenly worn down but still both have lost an obvious considerable amount of rubber. I don't know many if any that rebalance their tires throughout the life of it. So after that 5000 miles and that loss of rubber is the tire still going to be balanced? If not than you have the tire weights stuck to rim on an unbalanced tire right? Or is it since its an even amount of rubber loss it stays balanced throughout? We've all been to speed with worn tires so were/are we riding with out of balance tires?

Personally, I have never had a tire that needed to be rebalanced during it's life cycle as long as the weights stay in place. I always mark the rim with the amount of weight as well as the spot so I can simply replace the weight in case it gets dislodged. I did throw a wheel weight once at a buck fifty or so and it shook my mouth guard out before I could get slowed down to a moderate shake.

If you never experience any vibration in the bike then I wouldn't worry about balance.

 

[SKnight]

Bret popcorn is colon colon nineteen like this



If at first mount I balance the tire and then ride say 5000 miles on it. Here it's gonna have a flat spot down center, others may be more evenly worn down but still both have lost an obvious considerable amount of rubber. I don't know many if any that rebalance their tires throughout the life of it. So after that 5000 miles and that loss of rubber is the tire still going to be balanced? If not than you have the tire weights stuck to rim on an unbalanced tire right? Or is it since its an even amount of rubber loss it stays balanced throughout? We've all been to speed with worn tires so were/are we riding with out of balance tires?

As tires wear their balance point does shift around some but with modern tires it's much better than it used to be. However if you check the balance of lead balanced tires every 5000 miles the weight will change some. Older radials actually shifted around pretty bad and the old bias plys would get out of balance somewhere between the shop and the fifth redlight to your house!

 

[Flicka]

We are curremtly accepting applictions for test dummies.
Please sign below and we'll get your dyna beads ordered for the bash.

Thanks, but I'll stick with my obsolete sticky weights for now. I will, however, be more than happy to ride along and film the test vehicle from my bike

Somewhere A few pages back I mentioned that I hit a bump hard enough I looked back at it, honestly I wouldn't have been surprised if had bent the lip of the wheel. The ride didn't change one bit. No shake, vibration or otherwise. Had it been leaned over it would have put me in the ditch. Never once have I felt like they were any concern, bumps, ripples, transitions, hard launches. It just never shook. Wish I had more to offer. I tried it weightless then installed the Dynabeads and went on the same roads at the same speeds. It was a dramatic difference, as in slick as glass.

And like I said, they're 1oz. front and 2oz. rear. If they got dislodged and if they clumped in one spot it would be the same as 1 or 2 oz. static imbalance. Riders live with that everyday when they don't balance their wheels and I've never heard of a single person dying, crashing or even getting scared because of a wheel imbalance.

So far as independent testing goes I've not heard of any. Lots of real world testimony though.

Cool. I'm glad they worked for you.

I wonder about hard braking though. It seems like the beads would all rush to the front of the tires and cancel out any balancing effect they had in the first place. Oh well...

My wife's cousin is an engineer at Bridgestone. I'll get his thoughts next time I see him.

 

[Tufbusa]

Go ahead and say it, this is out of character for me. Ok, I'm going to say it...oh, the drama.

Tuf didn't post it, but he did say it in our conversation tonight. If dyna beads were the cat's meow then every BMW or Ducati out the door would come factory with them so that the UGLY tire weights would not be goofing up the art that those guys pose as motorcycles.

If you like the snake oil drink it and enjoy.

Oh Charlie, you are a bad man!

It's easy to pick out the ones who arrive on the short bus. Feed em enough rope and they will hang themselves. It works on every thread every time.

Was I right when I told you what would happen next? I'll expect payment on that $20 bet in the mail next week!

And I want to thank you two fellas for playing along and I promise to think of you when I'm enjoying a hot starbucks latte with Charlie's twenty bucks!

 

[SKnight]

I wonder about hard braking though. It seems like the beads would all rush to the front of the tires and cancel out any balancing effect they had in the first place. Oh well...

My wife's cousin is an engineer at Bridgestone. I'll get his thoughts next time I see him.

Not until you get below 25ish where the centrifigual forces drop low enough for them to move around. Above 25-30 the forces at work keep them pretty planted.

Oh Charlie, you are a bad man!

It's easy to pick out the ones who arrive on the short bus. Feed em enough rope and they will hang themselves. It works on every thread every time.

Was I right when I told you what would happen next? I'll expect payment on that $20 bet in the mail next week!

And I want to thank you two fellas for playing along and I promise to think of you when I'm enjoying a hot starbucks latte with Charlie's twenty bucks!

Enjoy a drink for me too.

Although the only one wearing a noose and looking stupid trains poodles. You still have said nothing constructive in this discussion, nor have you provided proof that they don't work. From my point of view looks like I'm driving the bus for you.

We're still waiting. You're taking so long to refute our experience that I'm sure it will be a real whopper once you finally provide it.

 

[m_ridgeway]

as soon as i can find someone in china to start making them cheaper, ill run them........

 

[Tufbusa]

Not until you get below 25ish where the centrifigual forces drop low enough for them to move around. Above 25-30 the forces at work keep them pretty planted.

Enjoy a drink for me too.

Although the only one wearing a noose and looking stupid trains poodles. You still have said nothing constructive in this discussion, nor have you provided proof that they don't work. From my point of view looks like I'm driving the bus for you.

We're still waiting. You're taking so long to refute our experience that I'm sure it will be a real whopper once you finally provide it.

You just can't quit, can you? You are still whining and mumbling those words of great wisdom. I'm not sure you can make a sentence without slanderous name calling. You've shown me and everyone else what you've got to work with. When you find yourself in a hole the proper thing to do is stop digging!