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[Oz22]

$480. That was the Tesla share price back on Dec 17 2024. Not even three months ago. Today?
$262. That's nearly a 50% loss. Why? It's not just that everyone is shying away from EV either.

Vandalism And Attacks On Tesla Accelerate As Musk Says ActBlue, Soros To Blame

Over the last few weeks, there have been countless reports of protests at Tesla showrooms and vandalism to Tesla vehicles and Super Chargers. Just yesterday, another leftitst was caught on video smashing up a Tesla vehicle.

A leftist smashes up Tesla cars in downtown Seattle. The FBI needs to do something about this. pic.twitter.com/pM4O54DOUR

Meanwhile in Oregon last week, a Tesla store in Tigard, Oregon, was shot up on March 6, marking the third violent attack on the company in the state, following the federal charging of a trans extremist for firebombing and shooting another Tesla location in Salem.

Trans extremists no less No it's not a pretty picture is it, and who's gonna want a car half the nation hates! We can see clearly now that the rise of Tesla was all due to a personality cult around elon musk and had nothing to do with the actual value of the cars. Now that the "Personality" is engaged in politics it's all going the other way. Is elon disturbed by this? Of course not, he's made his money out of that donkey and moved on.

How many Tesla shares does Elon own?
He owns about 12% of Tesla excluding options, but has pledged more than half his shares as collateral for personal loans of up to $3.5 billion. In early 2024, a Delaware judge voided Musk's 2018 deal to receive options equaling an additional 9% of Tesla.

He lost $56 Billion over that, but the payment was just pure Greed and more like a lotto ticket that didn't pay rather than actual earnings he missed out on.

Elon Musk is the wealthiest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of US$347.7 billion as of March 6, 2025, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, and $347.7 billion according to Forbes

Tesla could go into bankruptcy tomorrow and I doubt he's care. he'd just blame it on Soros. So what's with the politics? Money of course! He hardly cares about the American people, his looting of the working class and middle class prove that. He's sold much of his Tesla shares at a much higher price but the people still hold theirs through the pension system no doubt. They are the bag hodlers. I haven't looked into what he expects to gain by siding up with trump but the other elite billionaires have followed his lead so there must be a fortune to be had. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[TallTom]

$480. That was the Tesla share price back on Dec 17 2024. Not even three months ago. Today?
$262. That's nearly a 50% loss. Why? It's not just that everyone is shying away from EV either.

Vandalism And Attacks On Tesla Accelerate As Musk Says ActBlue, Soros To Blame



Trans extremists no less No it's not a pretty picture is it, and who's gonna want a car half the nation hates! We can see clearly now that the rise of Tesla was all due to a personality cult around elon musk and had nothing to do with the actual value of the cars. Now that the "Personality" is engaged in politics it's all going the other way. Is elon disturbed by this? Of course not, he's made his money out of that donkey and moved on.


He lost $56 Billion over that, but the payment was just pure Greed and more like a lotto ticket that didn't pay rather than actual earnings he missed out on.


Tesla could go into bankruptcy tomorrow and I doubt he's care. he'd just blame it on Soros. So what's with the politics? Money of course! He hardly cares about the American people, his looting of the working class and middle class prove that. He's sold much of his Tesla shares at a much higher price but the people still hold theirs through the pension system no doubt. They are the bag hodlers. I haven't looked into what he expects to gain by siding up with trump but the other elite billionaires have followed his lead so there must be a fortune to be had. We'll have to wait and see.

Yeah because suddenly, the Libtard Greenies aren't interested in helping the environment. They have to hurt him because they don't agree with his politics. It's the America we live in now.

 

[Red05]

Yeah because suddenly, the Libtard Greenies aren't interested in helping the environment. They have to hurt him because they don't agree with his politics. It's the America we live in now.

Not everyone’s life revolves around the conservative/liberals chasm like yours does, Tom. It’s not just EV’s, the auto industry is going through a tough spell. Trump’s plan seems to be to make it worse before it gets better, which is not what he promised. Of course, Donald J has a tenuous relationship with the truth.

 

[Bumblebee]

People are still buying EVs.....but are dumping Tesla because people are starting to hate the owner.......who brought this hate upon himself.

The sales of EVs made by other companies are up.......China is set to rule that world if we aren't careful....

However exactly as @Red05 alluded to, the entire auto industry is in for a tremulous ride.......these tariffs will be a real issue and the CEOs know this and have been applying lots of pressure on the administration hence why the tariffs on the auto industry are in flux....

Even the CEOs know it would take years and years and billions upon billions of dollars to even hope to get the American auto industry to be completely internal to the US......and that's even if they could get all the resources and employees....

 

[TallTom]

Even the CEOs know it would take years and years and billions upon billions of dollars to even hope to get the American auto industry to be completely internal to the US......and that's even if they could get all the resources and employees....

They also know it will be impossible to be competitive with the cost of American labor. Manufacturing and assembly in Mexico makes better sense. Or you invest heavily into robotics and essentially eliminate the workforce. Which China also is taking the lead on.

 

[voodoodoo]

I have 2 TM3's in my garage. One 2022LR and a 2024 Performance. Also had a 2020LR before so i have had 3 model 3's. Just love them.
In Norway, the ev's are tax free and fossil cars are taxed to hell. That was the reason i bought them in the first place but damn they are cheap to run.
Gas prices here is at an average of 20kr/l or 7,5usd/galon
I can charge my ev's for free at work and at home i pay an average of 5cents/kwh.
I commute 260km to work 3 times a week. we have a 5year/100000km full warranty in Norway so i trade in the cars every 4th year.

In 2020 i paid approx 45000usd for the LR, after 4 years and 160000' km i sold it for 25000usd thats a 20000 usd loss. but i drove over 160000km with close to zero expenses on fuel. with a fossil car like my previous passat it would have cost at least 19000usd in fuel alone. add in the service cost every 15000km and the depreciacion of the car its a no brainer.

I have tried a couple of other ev brands but fin Tesla way ahead when it comes to simplicity, ease of use and maitenance cost.

 

[TallTom]

I have 2 TM3's in my garage. One 2022LR and a 2024 Performance. Also had a 2020LR before so i have had 3 model 3's. Just love them.
In Norway, the ev's are tax free and fossil cars are taxed to hell. That was the reason i bought them in the first place but damn they are cheap to run.
Gas prices here is at an average of 20kr/l or 7,5usd/galon
I can charge my ev's for free at work and at home i pay an average of 5cents/kwh.
I commute 260km to work 3 times a week. we have a 5year/100000km full warranty in Norway so i trade in the cars every 4th year.

In 2020 i paid approx 45000usd for the LR, after 4 years and 160000' km i sold it for 25000usd thats a 20000 usd loss. but i drove over 160000km with close to zero expenses on fuel. with a fossil car like my previous passat it would have cost at least 19000usd in fuel alone. add in the service cost every 15000km and the depreciacion of the car its a no brainer.

I have tried a couple of other ev brands but fin Tesla way ahead when it comes to simplicity, ease of use and maitenance cost.

Yes I remember your EV story from before. The EU has done essentially what the U.S. and Canada was going to try to do. Tax the hell out of ICE vehicles and it's fuel, making EVs the only thing you could afford to drive.

Our cost of fuel is still nowhere near what the EU citizens are paying. Although EVs in California we're making it into homes for the same reasons they were for you. They pay the highest fuel cost in the country. And getting tax incentives to buy EV. So they do make sense when being forced via taxes.

 

[Bumblebee]

I have 2 TM3's in my garage. One 2022LR and a 2024 Performance. Also had a 2020LR before so i have had 3 model 3's. Just love them.
In Norway, the ev's are tax free and fossil cars are taxed to hell. That was the reason i bought them in the first place but damn they are cheap to run.
Gas prices here is at an average of 20kr/l or 7,5usd/galon
I can charge my ev's for free at work and at home i pay an average of 5cents/kwh.
I commute 260km to work 3 times a week. we have a 5year/100000km full warranty in Norway so i trade in the cars every 4th year.

In 2020 i paid approx 45000usd for the LR, after 4 years and 160000' km i sold it for 25000usd thats a 20000 usd loss. but i drove over 160000km with close to zero expenses on fuel. with a fossil car like my previous passat it would have cost at least 19000usd in fuel alone. add in the service cost every 15000km and the depreciacion of the car its a no brainer.

I have tried a couple of other ev brands but fin Tesla way ahead when it comes to simplicity, ease of use and maitenance cost.

The product might be ok.....(it's not for Canadian winters) but I believe it's the CEO which has turned many people and countries off the product.......

He has drawn the ire of everyone with his antics and I think they've had enough.

The used market for especially Tesla is almost non-existent......people don't want a used EV, dealers don't even want to take them in on trade and if they do, they send them off to auction right away and don't hold them in their lots.....

 

[voodoodoo]

Yes I remember your EV story from before. The EU has done essentially what the U.S. and Canada was going to try to do. Tax the hell out of ICE vehicles and it's fuel, making EVs the only thing you could afford to drive.

Our cost of fuel is still nowhere near what the EU citizens are paying. Although EVs in California we're making it into homes for the same reasons they were for you. They pay the highest fuel cost in the country. And getting tax incentives to buy EV. So they do make sense when being forced via taxes.

ICE taxes in Norway have been high since forever, EV has been tax f

The product might be ok.....(it's not for Canadian winters) but I believe it's the CEO which has turned many people and countries off the product.......

He has drawn the ire of everyone with his antics and I think they've had enough.

The used market for especially Tesla is almost non-existent......people don't want a used EV, dealers don't even want to take them in on trade and if they do, they send them off to auction right away and don't hold them in their lots.....

Well, i dont now about Canadian winters but i have -30c and 50-100cm of snow every winter. My usable range is about 300km in those temperatures wich is more than enough to bring me back and forth to work. I'n my experienc those who struggle most with the ev range are those driving ICE cars(i know, i was one of those). Maybe i will change my mind after pulling a trailer with two bikes back an forth to italy this autumn....

 

[Bumblebee]

Well, i dont now about Canadian winters but i have -30c and 50-100cm of snow every winter. My usable range is about 300km in those temperatures wich is more than enough to bring me back and forth to work. I'n my experienc those who struggle most with the ev range are those driving ICE cars(i know, i was one of those). Maybe i will change my mind after pulling a trailer with two bikes back an forth to italy this autumn....

Good to hear that.....

I've not heard very much good here regarding EV......most are either deciding to not buy them or are dumping the ones they currently have.

A good friend and former colleague has a Model S and he can't wait to get rid of it......he can't even park it in his garage because insurance won't cover him if he does......he has the long range version but has yet to see anywhere even close to the maximum range and nobody wants it in a trade....

It's a beautiful car, black with a black interior, brembo brakes, all the bells and whistles, ludacris mode will put you in the back seat, but he's done with it and is planning on either getting a Mercedes or BMW this spring.....he said he will suck up the loss to get rid of it.....

 

[voodoodoo]

Good to hear that.....

I've not heard very much good here regarding EV......most are either deciding to not buy them or are dumping the ones they currently have.

A good friend and former colleague has a Model S and he can't wait to get rid of it......he can't even park it in his garage because insurance won't cover him if he does......he has the long range version but has yet to see anywhere even close to the maximum range and nobody wants it in a trade....

It's a beautiful car, black with a black interior, brembo brakes, all the bells and whistles, ludacris mode will put you in the back seat, but he's done with it and is planning on either getting a Mercedes or BMW this spring.....he said he will suck up the loss to get rid of it.....

OOOH, a modern BMW or Merc.. He is in for a world of pain..

 

[TallTom]

OOOH, a modern BMW or Merc.. He is in for a world of pain..

Yeah that might be a frying pan to fire type decision.

My sister has a Model X. She misses her old BMW she traded in. But yeah she has no desire to jump into anything new now. She doesn't go anywhere far. Plugs it into her house socket.

Rents if she takes any trips with distances.

It has great acceleration. Which she uses often. Because she isn't going very far. She got a bad taste in her mouth when the windshield cracked in warranty and Tesla said it's not covered. Cost her $3K. She was not happy from that.

It's sad what the overall car industry has become.

 

[Bumblebee]

OOOH, a modern BMW or Merc.. He is in for a world of pain..

I guess he leases them and trades them before the warranty is done..

I've known him for over 30 yrs and other than the Tesla, he's always had BMWs.......

The biggest detractor of an EV here is not only the cold and road conditions but also the distance......it is over 2 hrs to the nearest large city from where I live and in between is a lot of nothing....

If we drive from here to our largest city it is over 5 hrs and again a lot of nothing in between.....there is even a large cell dead zone in that distance to boot.....

If the EV trend continues, perhaps one day we will be better equipped to use them...

 

[TallTom]

I guess he leases them and trades them before the warranty is done..

I've known him for over 30 yrs and other than the Tesla, he's always had BMWs.......

The biggest detractor of an EV here is not only the cold and road conditions but also the distance......it is over 2 hrs to the nearest large city from where I live and in between is a lot of nothing....

If we drive from here to our largest city it is over 5 hrs and again a lot of nothing in between.....there is even a large cell dead zone in that distance to boot.....

If the EV trend continues, perhaps one day we will be better equipped to use them...

I think you'll get 75 MPG ICE before you get a practical EV solution.

 

[Oz22]

I think you'll get 75 MPG ICE before you get a practical EV solution.

With the current economic climate sales of both new ice and ev are down but, if you bought an ICE 5 years ago and now can't afford to upgrade you can relax, because it has decades of life left in it. If you bought an EV 5 years ago I'll wager you're getting nervous as 10 years seems to the limit on the average battery and resale value after 5 years is abysmal. Truly there is no long term solution offered by either. On the one hand the planet is running out of oil to burn in cars and on the other it's running out of oil to make battery packs. An ev takes 5~7 years to break even with a comparable ice given all the fossil fuel it takes to build. Then there is all the coal and gas it uses in charging.

They were never a solution, to anything!

 

[TallTom]

We're getting rid of our Tesla — and Elon Musk's politics have nothing to do with it

After tons of research we bought a Tesla Model Y. We didn't realize how expensive it'd be to insure it. Now we want to sell it.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Bumblebee]

Anyone heard of this?

 

[jellyrug]

Anyone heard of this?

LOL, if I was the author of that video, I would have been embarrassed to even post it. Nothing to do with you Bee.

We have to start with something run by radio waves? What is a radio wave? It is an electromagnetic radiation with a long wavelength and the lowest frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum.

A simple explanation is it compares to when you drop a stone into a pond and from where the stone entered the pond you will see water waves progressing outward. Problem is, you need to drop that stone into the pond to generate the waves and that requires energy.

Nothing is free, to generate radio waves, the average FM tower needs around 50kW and only a tiny minute portion of that can be harvested, hence the need for transistors, once again powered by batteries or mains, to amplify that signal so it is useable in a device, such as a radio or something else. So while we can communicate with waves, to power something driving a car is a total fallacy.

 

[jellyrug]

I always wonder why Musk sacrificed so much to buy twitter and get involved with Trump?

Is that ego or care for country?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899051700603805730

 

[Bumblebee]

LOL, if I was the author of that video, I would have been embarrassed to even post it. Nothing to do with you Bee.

We have to start with something run by radio waves? What is a radio wave? It is an electromagnetic radiation with a long wavelength and the lowest frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum.

A simple explanation is it compares to when you drop a stone into a pond and from where the stone entered the pond you will see water waves progressing outward. Problem is, you need to drop that stone into the pond to generate the waves and that requires energy.

Nothing is free, to generate radio waves, the average FM tower needs around 50kW and only a tiny minute portion of that can be harvested, hence the need for transistors, once again powered by batteries or mains, to amplify that signal so it is useable in a device, such as a radio or something else. So while we can communicate with waves, to power something driving a car is a total fallacy.

That's why I asked if anyone has heard of this because I haven't and others are talking about it....

I was skeptical of course....