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You might note, there are a lot of anti-EV people...more so than pro-EV...and I can see this number growing once the realization of how poorly we are prepared for EV in our nations...and globally....

If somewhere like Taiwan, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, the Philippines, African nations and other such nations were to covert to full EV, you would have my attention.......I don't see that happening in my lifetime and many of these countries hold a lot of the global population.

I welcome a real pro-EV argument that negates the points I made...I think they would have their hands full. I didn't pull my points out of my arse.

I'm not anti-EV, I'm anti non-preparedness....I know for a fact my nation isn't any where near ready to accept a change to full EV....and won't be in 2030 either unless some serious, serious planning and funding goes into the concept.
The truth is that EV works really well and I won't deny that. With continued improvement yes even better than ICE. The transition will be slow and we probably won't realize it in our lifetimes. Both have drawbacks but I truly believe the exhaust fumes from an engine, that would kill a human in an enclosed place, are the biggest drawback. I draw no pleasure from that.
 
The truth is that EV works really well and I won't deny that. With continued improvement yes even better than ICE. The transition will be slow and we probably won't realize it in our lifetimes. Both have drawbacks but I truly believe the exhaust fumes from an engine, that would kill a human in an enclosed place, are the biggest drawback. I draw no pleasure from that.
Fair enough..

People heat homes with natural gas, propane or wood which all have the potential to create carbon monoxide and kill yet most homes use this sort of heating....I see no real validity of this as a primary ICE drawback....

Many EVs have caught fire both while charging or just sitting inside an enclosed area such as a garage, this could be a drawback if it was a regular occurrence much like exhaust fumes in an enclosed space.

But I get you, EV have merit.....enough merit for the government or insurance companies to screw it up somehow by imposing limiters or worse...
 
You might note, there are a lot of anti-EV people...more so than pro-EV...and I can see this number growing once the realization of how poorly we are prepared for EV in our nations...and globally....

If somewhere like Taiwan, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, the Philippines, African nations and other such nations were to covert to full EV, you would have my attention.......I don't see that happening in my lifetime and many of these countries hold a lot of the global population.

I welcome a real pro-EV argument that negates the points I made...I think they would have their hands full. I didn't pull my points out of my arse.

I'm not anti-EV, I'm anti non-preparedness....I know for a fact my nation isn't any where near ready to accept a change to full EV....and won't be in 2030 either unless some serious, serious planning and funding goes into the concept.
Hi. Ɓee. Just bought down to the government and buy your wife am EV Toyota.
 
I was watching the business news on the TV last night and one of the speculators was talking about EV costs to recharge and how low they were at the present....he was saying once they get to be mainstream, the cost to recharge them will rise exponentially as at present, the government is making a large financial capture from the sale of fuel for cars and commercial vehicles....

In the future, the government will be wanting the same capture as with ICE vehicles so the cost of recharging EV will go up dramatically and there is speculation the cost to recharge an EV will either be equivalent or higher than refueling ICE...there is talk of having a mandatory second meter installed for home recharging systems

We all kind of knew this anyway, the government is greedy and there is no way they will let their cash cow go....currently over half the cost of fuel (per liter here) is tax....
 
I was watching the business news on the TV last night and one of the speculators was talking about EV costs to recharge and how low they were at the present....he was saying once they get to be mainstream, the cost to recharge them will rise exponentially as at present, the government is making a large financial capture from the sale of fuel for cars and commercial vehicles....

In the future, the government will be wanting the same capture as with ICE vehicles so the cost of recharging EV will go up dramatically and there is speculation the cost to recharge an EV will either be equivalent or higher than refueling ICE...there is talk of having a mandatory second meter installed for home recharging systems

We all kind of knew this anyway, the government is greedy and there is no way they will let their cash cow go....currently over half the cost of fuel (per liter here) is tax....
In the future EVs will be coded. When you plug in it’ll tell the system exactly who’s doing it and for what vehicle. They will easily be able to deny you full charge or any charge if you’re deemed to be using too much. There are so many ways control comes with these.
 
How come no one talks about performance? Some of the things EVs are capable of in terms of acceleration and handling are amazing. What about non-existent maintenance? I have to change the oil in my truck every 5K (twin turbo V6)! That is a real pain in the arse. If I drove it across the country I would need an oil change planned into the trip.

I'm seeing the change go faster than I expected here in the States. Every WAWA has a block of charging stations. And every building we design gets the tax rebate for charging stations. And a few more summers like this one and people are going to start to rush to do anything to stop GW.

As for control @Blanca BusaLess , my truck sends all the telemetry to Ford already, as does my BMW. I'm just waiting for them to attach the speedo to the nav system and just send you tickets automatically!
 
How come no one talks about performance? Some of the things EVs are capable of in terms of acceleration and handling are amazing. What about non-existent maintenance? I have to change the oil in my truck every 5K (twin turbo V6)! That is a real pain in the arse. If I drove it across the country I would need an oil change planned into the trip.

I'm seeing the change go faster than I expected here in the States. Every WAWA has a block of charging stations. And every building we design gets the tax rebate for charging stations. And a few more summers like this one and people are going to start to rush to do anything to stop GW.

As for control @Blanca BusaLess , my truck sends all the telemetry to Ford already, as does my BMW. I'm just waiting for them to attach the speedo to the nav system and just send you tickets automatically!
Give it time and the performance aspect will be programmed out of the mainstream EV.....insurance companies will see to this as EVs are being written off for even minor accidents...I'd imagine like today there will be "soul less" EV supercars with piped in ICE sounds but the owners will pay both a sticker and insurance premium pricing them out of the average person's hands.

Where are all the EV bikes? The Livewire wasn't a success and I see no other EV bikes yet....is there no market for them I wonder?

I can see a huge resurgence of leasing as one of the big things EV will bring to the automotive industry as people won't be interested in buying a used EV.
 
Not EV per se but I was out cutting grass yesterday at our senior's home and her neighbor was out cutting with his E-mower....his grass was a little long and when he came around for a pass, I saw smoke coming from it...he stopped and jumped off and a big puff of smoke but no fire...I went over and he said he must have overloaded it as it just blew up...

I asked if it was under warranty and thought it might be still....


I ended up cutting his grass too...
 
Give it time and the performance aspect will be programmed out of the mainstream EV.....insurance companies will see to this as EVs are being written off for even minor accidents...I'd imagine like today there will be "soul less" EV supercars with piped in ICE sounds but the owners will pay both a sticker and insurance premium pricing them out of the average person's hands.

Where are all the EV bikes? The Livewire wasn't a success and I see no other EV bikes yet....is there no market for them I wonder?

I can see a huge resurgence of leasing as one of the big things EV will bring to the automotive industry as people won't be interested in buying a used EV.
It's just as easy to cut the performance out of an ICE vehicle and they aren't doing that. Already the TESLAs are getting a reputation as stoplight demons. I would say that bikes are different because the experience is so intertwined with the engine sound, noise, shifting, and even smells. Most people prefer not to shift their cars, and it's difficult to even sell an automatic bike.
 
Not EV per se but I was out cutting grass yesterday at our senior's home and her neighbor was out cutting with his E-mower....his grass was a little long and when he came around for a pass, I saw smoke coming from it...he stopped and jumped off and a big puff of smoke but no fire...I went over and he said he must have overloaded it as it just blew up...

I asked if it was under warranty and thought it might be still....


I ended up cutting his grass too...
Haha. My Samsung Ultra 22 shut down the other day while I was trying to take pictures on-site. The message said it was overheating! Needless to say I didn't put it back in my pocket!!!!!
 
It's just as easy to cut the performance out of an ICE vehicle and they aren't doing that. Already the TESLAs are getting a reputation as stoplight demons. I would say that bikes are different because the experience is so intertwined with the engine sound, noise, shifting, and even smells. Most people prefer not to shift their cars, and it's difficult to even sell an automatic bike.
I was definitely born in the wrong generation as I see nothing interesting about EV.....

They might out perform ICE but nothing beats the rumble of a well tuned V-8....

All the same things that attracts motorcycle riders attracts the true gear heads to ICE vehicles....even these modern ones are boring...
 
I was definitely born in the wrong generation as I see nothing interesting about EV.....

They might out perform ICE but nothing beats the rumble of a well tuned V-8....

All the same things that attracts motorcycle riders attracts the true gear heads to ICE vehicles....even these modern ones are boring...
Not sure it's generational but I get that guys who spent their whole lives dreaming of V8 rumbles are not going to get that same jolt from an EV (pun intended). For me I love technology and the intellectual riddle it presents. It's going to be fun to see what people come up with creative to separate their EVs from the ordinary.
 
Not sure it's generational but I get that guys who spent their whole lives dreaming of V8 rumbles are not going to get that same jolt from an EV (pun intended). For me I love technology and the intellectual riddle it presents. It's going to be fun to see what people come up with creative to separate their EVs from the ordinary.
I'm not a technology guy....it has it's uses but in my experience when it fails, it fails miserably.....a lot of the younger guys I had in my unit relied heavily on tech and I and a few other dinosaurs used it along with old school tech...many times it was our old school tech that pulled us through when their batteries failed or other things caused an interruption of signal.......and the amount of batteries we had to carry was staggering....when we would put in a resupply ADREP batteries were the number one thing over ammo, water and food.....that's how bad it is getting....

I can see the allure for some of the advanced EV tech, but when it fails, it will fail in a big way when the user least expects it...ICE fails too as it has become to technical for it's own good...even the Hayabusa is a pain to diagnose issues.....and this can create a lot of frustration, I read it on this board lots of times.....

Recently a Tesla had to be flat-bedded 2 hrs away to the closest dealership and they couldn't get it to roll in neutral as there was a fault...they had to jack it up and put it on dollies to get it on the flat bed-luckily it was in a parking lot and not of the side of a hiway. Apparently there was an override for this but that didn't work either.
 
I'm not a technology guy....it has it's uses but in my experience when it fails, it fails miserably...

You know much tech you rely on every time you drive your truck right? I believe it's a later model, electronic shift, ignition and fuel controls all controlled by brain boxes. Nevermind the fact we're relying on tech to have this discussion right now. It is absolutely all around us already.
The best thing about tech is that it's modern enough that it's still improving by leaps and bounds.
 
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