French Wage War on SUV
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Amen to that. Here is an idea - don't like SUV's? DON'T BUY ONE YOU MORON!!1. The French can't wage war on anything without the USA's help, so good luck with that.
2. Do a ride along in my ambulance and see how well these "compacts" or "gas efficient" vehicles do in a crash, when your families life is on the line. Short answer, they don't.
3. Since when do we give a sh!t what the French say?
4. This is the dumbest thread I have ever read.
Tell you what, Birkenstock, you can go live in your VW van and listen to Joanie Mitchell 8-tracks and that is fine. I'll stick with my F150 Supercrew because it can tow a trailer. You go your way, I'll go my way.
Do you actually ride a bike? Here's the catch, as soon as you apply the 'need test' we're all screwed. We don't need air conditioning, we can live on one meal a day, we don't need much more than a chimpanzee in the zoo. So NEED is irrelevant. The human spirit is greater than 'need' and by squashing one person's choice of expression you have effectively threatened all of us - you f*cking moron.
This guy's big gripe is that the rest of us don't subscribe to his ideas - well, WELCOME TO AMERICA - that is probably the best thing about being here, we DON'T ALL HAVE TO AGREE.
I am proud to live in a country where people can decide how to spend their money in practically any way they choose - even if I don't agree on how they choose to spend it.
As for the french - whatever. The easiest way to figure out if you're doing the right thing is if it pisses the french off.
Zees isa zee only .. how you say.. masssage vorth reeeding in dis-a whooooole zred!Fire ze missiles!"Sacre bleu! Ze SUVs... zey are attacking! We must zurrender immediatelee! Haw haw haw!"
Woot!
Woot.. indeed.
Why is it everybody got a problem with my screen name? I hear that all the time.. I speak my mind about how stupid somebody is and it's always "well your screen name explains your attitude.. "
no it doesn't.. my attitude explains my screen name.. get it right.
Wow! Talk about a heated debate but a very good one. I personally think that SUV's have their purpose here. Sometimes they are bought for the most impractical reasons but who are we to blame. Where I live, mostly women drivers are the ones with SUV's. Some are good drivers while others just shouldn't be driving at all. As a motorcyclist and driver you must stay smarter and more attentive than the other driver. That goes for ALL cagers and bikers and not just SUV's. Yes, I do get a lil nervous when I'm alongside a behemoth while traffic is cruising at 50+ mph. But that's why I'll blast past them or make sure that they at least know of my presence.
SUV's have consumed some of our resources but you also have to factor in that China has increased it's oil consumption as well. They are the FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY in the world as we speak.
SUV's have consumed some of our resources but you also have to factor in that China has increased it's oil consumption as well. They are the FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY in the world as we speak.
First, I don't own a SUV.
In refernece to SUV driver's are worse than others;
I do not want extra regulations on driver's licenses. The idoit drivers will still be driving. Instead of punishing everyone for the screw ups of a few, why don't we actually punish the few. It doesn't matter what car people drive, it matters who is driving the car. If someone is an irresponsible driver(regardless the vechicle they drive) then you punish THAT driver, not everyone else who happens to drive the same car. I don't want my freedoms trampled on because we can't get idoit drivers off the road. I'd rather ride on the road with idoits, than to not ride at all.
As far as saving the planet;
SUVs are miniscule in comparaed to what is really affecting the environment. Even if SUVs are outlawed, we will contiue to ruin the environment for us. Probably the worst thing out there is the burning of rainforest. And the list goes on from there...
Also, don't forget that single vehicle accidents are majority of all motorcycling accidents. SUVs have nothing to do with that. I don't have the number, but I am sure that the number of motorcycle accidents due to SUVs is insignificant.
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In refernece to SUV driver's are worse than others;
I do not want extra regulations on driver's licenses. The idoit drivers will still be driving. Instead of punishing everyone for the screw ups of a few, why don't we actually punish the few. It doesn't matter what car people drive, it matters who is driving the car. If someone is an irresponsible driver(regardless the vechicle they drive) then you punish THAT driver, not everyone else who happens to drive the same car. I don't want my freedoms trampled on because we can't get idoit drivers off the road. I'd rather ride on the road with idoits, than to not ride at all.
As far as saving the planet;
SUVs are miniscule in comparaed to what is really affecting the environment. Even if SUVs are outlawed, we will contiue to ruin the environment for us. Probably the worst thing out there is the burning of rainforest. And the list goes on from there...
Also, don't forget that single vehicle accidents are majority of all motorcycling accidents. SUVs have nothing to do with that. I don't have the number, but I am sure that the number of motorcycle accidents due to SUVs is insignificant.
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But I am le tired....Fire ze missiles!"Sacre bleu! Ze SUVs... zey are attacking! We must zurrender immediatelee! Haw haw haw!"
Woot!
HAhahahaha! Best. Flash. Evar.
Yeah I thought the Mini was delayed here because of that... and I know for a few years you could only import the Elise for track use, until they did all of the airbag and other stuff to it to make it match DOT crash-safety regs.
Honestly I'm surprised you can get Caterham 7s here through Caterham USA. I'm sure there are some safety upgrades done to them as well, but it surprises me all the same.
I REALLY wish I could get my hands on some of the others though... oh man....
holy chreeeist! your right..But I am le tired....Fire ze missiles!"Sacre bleu! Ze SUVs... zey are attacking! We must zurrender immediatelee! Haw haw haw!"
Woot!
HAhahahaha! Best. Flash. Evar.
I didn't even think of it.. that was hilarious..
and australia is like W-T-F mate?
Relsek
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This is the best line in the entire thread so far.Btw....that's about the ONLY thing the french will wage war on.........
BrianKesler
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All this talk about saving the world and not buying SUV's makes me glad i got rid of mine this weekend. I replaced it with a Ford F250 4x4 lifted with 35's with the 6.8 litre v10 that gets about 9-10 mpg! I guess that makes me evil
Relsek
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But it's not an SUV, they are evil you know, and you really need that truck, I know you don't need to tow anything, you live on a paved road, and it doesn't snow here, but I saw you had a garden hose in it today, what would you have hauled that home with if you didn't have that big truck?
Honestly though, people often think that if they don't have use for something, nobody has use for it. SUV's are very practical for many people, plus this is the US of A, not frenchy french land, we base what we drive on, wants, needs, practicality, and whatever we want to base it on. That's one of the things that makes this country great.
Kev
I like my Expedition. I haul my children and there friends, saves taking two cars. I can also pull a trailer, no need for a truck, to haul whatever I need to. I also need four wheel drive, because I love to hunt, 4x4 lets me get into the woods where a car wouldnt. No, I dont mind getting it muddy as crap, thats what a car wash is for. Anyway, to each his own. Brian Kesler, great TRUCK man.
Relsek
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I just noticed this one, I'm going to have to write these down, they're great.
Well, sadly, you can. Ever heard of "nature of the beast"? I've seen numerous replies calling me a moron, idiot, etc... And then I see how someone said that with their family in a SUV, "better you than [my family]".
Point and case, someone asked that question, "why don't f*cking cagers pay attention?!". And my reply is that they DON'T have to, especially if they're in a SUV. Allow me to lay out the logic:
* Mostly, if not all, of you SUV champions argue that it's "safer" for you and your family in a SUV... You ever think about it's because of other SUVs??
* Why are YOU ATTENTIVE (and hopefully a bit considerate) WHILE RIDING YOUR BUSA OR BIKE? Because you know that if you get into a wreak while on a bike (or god forbid, your busa), you're likely to get hurt. In a SUV, with your sense of security from being hurt in a accident (false or true, doesn't matter), what is your incentive to being attentive, careful and considerate? Even if it is YOUR fault in a SUV, with collision insurance coverage, your SUV is covered for damages, and at most if this is a one time incident in 3 years, at most, your insurance will only go up $50 to $100 for 6 months. While if you hit / or caused a accident with a smaller vehicle, the occupant of that vehicle will likely suffer more injuries or death, especially if it's a bike. So your insurance will pay out the maximum of your policy, wash their hands clean, you hide your personal assets by transferring them to your mom/dad's name so you have nothing to be sued for and you have a seriously injuried or dead victim on your hands. And sadly, you don't really care because you didn't get hurt and your insurance only went up $50, $100, $200 per 6 months. So why should the majority of SUV drivers be attentive and considerate? It's not YOUR skin while in a SUV. Sadly, I thought since some of you ride, you would understand that.
* I shouldn't generalize? Ever heard of the term, "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."? Well, you know the rest. Also, think I'm a idiot for generalizing? Take a look at this SportRider article on Urban Riding Skills based on decades of riding in Los Angeles. http://www.sportrider.com/ride/146_9508_skill/
Look at the paragraph under: URBAN GUERRILLA STEP ONE: TRUST NO ONE
So that also brings to the point of safety. If you truly want safetly for you and your family, you would get a Volvo. Those things are like tanks but not the size of one. I've personally seen one on it's roof after it's flipped over and it looks like all it needs is a paint job for the roof once it's get flipped back right side up.
Am I generalizing about SUV and the drivers that inherited "the nature of the beast"? Damn right I am. That's because I've personally observed too many validating examples.
Also, another thing I can add to the fallacy of SUVs, which is in relations to their unnecessary size is their obstruction of view through. Regardless of whether you're driving in a cage or riding a bike... Next time follow a SUV, see if you can see what's ahead of them, like coming up to a traffic congestion. And that's even if you ride/drive responsibly by abiding by the 2-3 second behind rule. Wouldn't it be nice to be about to see those brake lights that's ahead of the SUV so you can anticipate a eventual slow down or necessary stop and not have to rely on the SUV driver's reactions solely? What if the SUV driver has a habit of late braking? What if the brake lights on that big SUV is burnt out? Guess where you'll end up? I just hope it's not on your busa.
And for those of you that are saying, "it's my money, I spend it how I like. So f*ck you!" Well think about this once again for those of you that missed out on econ class or forgot it. It may cost you $70 to fill your SUV tank, but by depleting the oil supply at your SUV's gas guzzling rate you did CONTRIBUTE to the rising gasoline price. Some of you keep missing that I stated that SUV are CONTRIBUTING to the rising gasoline price, but I didn't say that's SUVs are the sole factor. Just like SUVs are contribution to traffic congestion, NOT the sole factor, others would include simply just over population of vehicles on the road, accidents, nosey spectators of accidents (and in some cases causing other accidents), inexperience drivers that think they're going really fast but are not and holding up traffic, and poor freeway/highway design.
And lastly, yes, I knew this topic would draw a heated debate. But it's interesting now, isn't it?
So think about this: I've often commented to BusaHaya that if some of these cage drivers were to have to ride bikes (not necessarily busas) and they ride the way they drove, I guess half would be dead or seriously injured by now. Ask yourself this question for all you SUV proponents: If you (or any typical SUV drivers) rode your bike the way you drive your SUVs, how likely would you be in a accident and be dead or injured?
Am I saying that SUV by itself is a hazard to the road, environment, and the economy? No, it's a inanimate object nonetheless. But remember, "Nature of the Beast". Drivers of SUVs have less of a incentive to be attentive and considerate because they believe/know that their own personal safety is less at stake than others for their carelessness. Environmentally and economically? Couple the SUV with the depleting resources and greedy oil companies, as well as competing, rising oil consumers such as China and India, and there you have it.
May my observations be valid to you? I don't know. May my observations be valid for the entire world? Maybe. May my observations be valid for SUV drivers in Los Angeles, San Diego, and Ventura, California? Likely, because I've been driving for over 16 years in these areas and riding almost 20,000 miles on my busa in about 18 months in these areas.
Scariest thing is I seen more and experienced more in my 18 months / 20,000 miles of riding than I did in my 16 or so years of driving.
Some of you offended? You betcha'. So what? I call it the way I see it. So ask yourself, do you really NEED a SUV? Or does it just make you feel more manly and dominate? If you do for the latter reason, then you have some serious "short comings". My sister once commented that driving a SUV made her feel like king (queen in her case) on the road and that she had a "commanding view". Then she realize how pointless it was and that it actually altered her perception of true speed (the higher the ride, the faster you feel like you're going, but not in comparison to a car. But that's another subject for another time) so she got rid of it and got herself a 5 series BMW.
Remember, "Nature of the Beast". Now chew on that. By the way, for those that argue that Mini-Vans are no better. Someone already cited that mini-vans are more fuel effiecient because most these days are 6 cylinders. Now I dare you to tell me that Mini-Vans don't have more view through space (windows measured in cubic inches) than 90% of the SUVs in the market.
well yeah.. it's a harsh reality mano.. I know it's hard to understand for ya... I'm sure you'd give your familys lives to save the other guys family... (kidding.. but you see the point)
but uh.. I care more for my family than yours..
no way around it.. I didn't read the rest of your post.. I gotta go find the flash vid mentioned before.. funny ####.. I'll post ya a link.
check it..
watch it two/three times to really get yourself laughing uncontrolably.
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/eow.html
watch it two/three times to really get yourself laughing uncontrolably.
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/eow.html
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