Gen-3 ECU now able to flash/tune…

Here is my short history with Suzuki Hayabusa 2021.

I own a Bmw GSA 1250 2021 and I wanted a sport bike.

About me:

- 36 years old

- Beginner in motorcycling

- Some cervical basic problems that make my hands go numb pretty easily but it seems that kineto exercises are helping me very well.

The options were Bmw S1000RR, Aprilia RSV4, Ducati Panigale V4S, and Suzuki Hayabusa, all brand new - 2021.

After testing them all back in 2021, these were my personal opinions:

- S1000RR - super buzzy, bad ergonomics, bad engine noise, no functional mirrors. Total hate… I could have ridden the bike for a few hours but I decided to test it just for 45 minutes.

I wanted to buy the bike without test drive… my wife insisted to test it before buying and she was extremely right… .

- Aprilia RSV4 - I loved the bike and I still do but… again the ergos are very bad for physical condition, and that engine is so nice sounding that it makes me driving a lot faster that I want.

In plus, the gearing is very high, the service is bad, the reliability is not great, the overall quality of the motorcycle is not as I would want… .

The test drive was very short as Aprilia importer and main dealer let me test drive the bike for just 15 minutes, chasing one of their members on a scooter… .

Really bad experience.

- Ducati Panigale V4S

I couldn’t test drive it as the importer and main dealer where I live is impossible.

They consider Ducati Ferrari and they are way too precious.

They wanted me to buy the bike without test drive because Ducati is perfect.

- Suzuki Hayabusa - First love from the first moment.

After the first 2 experiences, I was almost sure that Hayabusa will be a similar disaster.

I was even thinking to cancel the test drive.

But it wasn’t, I loved it.

I drove it for 1.5 hours and everything was perfect for me - ergos, power, engine sound, quality, looks, service, mirrors, after marker parts, this forum that is the best I ever was on in my life, price.

For me it doesn’t matter how much hp it has, how much makes on the dyno, and all the rest, for me it is by far the best sport bike.

Yes, I wish it was more special than it is, but even so it is the best for me.

Suzuki could easily made the motorcycle super powerful, but how many of us would have paid the price?

Here the motorcycle is just 16.500 euro, a super price, by far.

Aprilia RSV4 is 16.900 euro with a 12% discount.

The Bmw S1000RR is 23.000 euro.

Ducati Panigale V4S is 30.961 euro.
 
Bumblebee said:
All those comparisons are apples to oranges...but glad you ended up with the Hayabusa....that was the right choice.
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Yes, you are right, Hayabusa is a sport touring bike and the others are sport bikes.

I know perfectly what you mean, but I compared the bikes that I like and I would buy.

The reference point of the comparisons was what I like.

My soul doesn’t have to make correct comparisons. :)

What I wanted to say with the initial message is that not all Hayabusa gen 3 owners are looking strictly for top end power and crazy dyno numbers, and that many of us love the bike as it is.

Suzuki could have made a turbo Busa but the price would have been totally different.

Then the discussions would have been that the Hayabusa gen 3 is awesome but it is too expensive and again the forums would have been full of complaints.
 
I never said I didn’t like the Gen3, in fact it would be the one I would buy if I were in the market. I just wanted more power everywhere. Then we heard the hype of the ECU, another let down. When looking at what is possible from other manufacturers I feel a little let down. Yes I know if you throw enough money at it you can get that power. I’m the guy that can only afford a pipe, filter, and tune. Yes it’s more than enough power for me, but still a little let down.
 
Busa3Fan said:
Yes, you are right, Hayabusa is a sport touring bike and the others are sport bikes.

I know perfectly what you mean, but I compared the bikes that I like and I would buy.

The reference point of the comparisons was what I like.

My soul doesn’t have to make correct comparisons. :)

What I wanted to say with the initial message is that not all Hayabusa gen 3 owners are looking strictly for top end power and crazy dyno numbers, and that many of us love the bike as it is.

Suzuki could have made a turbo Busa but the price would have been totally different.

Then the discussions would have been that the Hayabusa gen 3 is awesome but it is too expensive and again the forums would have been full of complaints.
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You have to like what you have to like that's a fact....

If I were to guess, I think Suzuki was initially going to supercharge the gen 3 but most likely ran into emissions issues.

In their design video they elude to that and other engine configurations but if we look at the gen 3 engine in it's current state, it is set up for boost....if they weren't going to do that, they could have just used a stock gen 2 engine with different cams and intake which would have saved a pile of money...the gen 2 engine is more than capable in stock form.
 
Got-Busa? said:
Euro5, economy, supply issues, etc all play a roll on Suzuki’s decision. Not to mention, people just aren’t buying motorcycles so what’s the point?

A $25k, $30k, or $35k++ Suzuki would NOT go over very good right now.
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Supply issues and economy were likely NOT factors. At the time they finished major R&D, there was no pandemic, the US had a different leader, huge Bull market world wide, etc. however, the emissions issue IS likely a factor and may be why the ZX14 isn’t long for the world in current form.

By the way a Busa with msrp of $20k -$22k would have sold well with extra power with rwhp in low 200s. For the guys who buy these, it’s not much $.

Back to original topic. Anyone get the flash done yet? Impressions in real world riding?
 
I still want to know how many maps you get at what price. Moore Mafia quotes 275 on their web page, but is that just for one map? What about the other two you can access from the menu?

What if I don't want flames and crackles, but I'd like to be able to select a map that dumps enough fuel to replicate the delicious burbles you got on throttle roll off with carbureted and even early fuel injected bikes?

And maybe a rain / higher mileage / quieter map...
 
dcnblues said:
I still want to know how many maps you get at what price. Moore Mafia quotes 275 on their web page, but is that just for one map? What about the other two you can access from the menu?

What if I don't want flames and crackles, but I'd like to be able to select a map that dumps enough fuel to replicate the delicious burbles you got on throttle roll off with carbureted and even early fuel injected bikes?

And maybe a rain / higher mileage / quieter map...
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As for the rain and mileage you already have level c. Just FYI I rode 3 hours in 55 degree rain back in April and level A works just fine.
 
dcnblues said:
I still want to know how many maps you get at what price. Moore Mafia quotes 275 on their web page, but is that just for one map? What about the other two you can access from the menu?

What if I don't want flames and crackles, but I'd like to be able to select a map that dumps enough fuel to replicate the delicious burbles you got on throttle roll off with carbureted and even early fuel injected bikes?

And maybe a rain / higher mileage / quieter map...
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Want it to sing you happy birthday too? :lol:
 
Good that it got a little more in the top end so it isn't falling on it's face....that's where the 20hp came from...

Nice power curve though.
 
I watched the video and listen to Chris Moore's comments. For mainly street riding would you spend the money on the billet stacks?
 
ottafish said:
Would you get it dyno’d for $$, (minimal gains), or just restrictions removed for way less
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Already have had my Gen 3 Busa custom tuned with Woolich, with Akrapovic Full Exhaust and tune gained roughly 10% more HP and TQ.over stock We have to work on the cruising part throttle tuning to dial it in perfecty but overall very happy with the results.
 
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